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Worth noting that my mom has got it stuck in her head that his last name is "Kuzeman," it's ridiculous.
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rilamann wrote:msiris wrote:Must be me or I am just too old to care. Just to easy scroll past after glancing at it. Plus telling him that it's getting old is not going change him. Maybe he gets a kick out of pushing peoples buttons.old skool wrote:I think people find mindless repetitive comments that add nothing to the conversation to be annoying.
I value people's opinions, even though as fans we are frequently off base. Those opinions are interesting to me. But when someone makes themselves the essence of their post time and time again, it becomes a pain. Like litter on the sidewalk. Feeling compelled to remind everyone how "right" you are just underscores your inability to be convincing. "Oh, I didn't get it the first 23 times you said it, but the 24th time - I get your point!" Repeating yourself at every available opportunity does not add gravitas. It becomes not about the point you are trying to make, but rather the repetition that holds no value for anyone.
People aren't annoyed by your opinion. Or mine. Which is why most people don't react to any given opinion. People are annoyed by the repetition. Repetition does not convince or validate. It just annoys.
It is not my intention to push people's buttons when I post.
I am genuinely surprised when some of my opinions & comments elicit the level of Must be exhausting being you and Did - Insert player name - kick your dog? type of responses.
Some people just don't like some of my opinions off the top, those people then get upset when there ends up being truth in those opinions in which they did not like. Their ad hominen responses tell all.
I think that if I was simply just saying repetitive things that had no truth to them, you would not see these type of responses and to this level.
There are people who don't like that I am critical of Dame. So then last night when the Bucks have one of their more quality and fun wins of the season with Dame in street clothes, ol rila came along in the post-game thread and said.
This team is fun without Dame
That was all I said that set things off. And to be fair, it's hard to gauge intent or tone on an internet message board. But my comment was kind of a wink wink tongue in cheek sort of thing. I was not actually trying to push anyone's buttons or get people legitimately upset. I didn't think that the comment would.
Plus earlier in the day yesterday I had said that Dame would never miss the all star game. Dame is the type of guy who would sit out actual games to be fresh for all star weekend .
Then later in the day after I made that comment, the news came down that Dame was not suiting up for the Wolves game. Dame, would however be ready to go for all star weekend.
So in hindsight, I had already pushed the buttons, even thought was not my intent.
I honestly thought my post would be - Like you said - a glance and scroll post. I guess I was wrong.
We've been frequenting enough of the same boards for long enough that I know you're not trolling. This is just your disposition about sports. Which, to be clear, I have no problem with, even if I joke about it and it sometimes grates.
I think people need to remember here that you were uncharacteristically happy about the Dame trade and defended it for a long time. You're allowed to change your mind.
I do think that the fit is fine, though, and that Dame is still really good. It's also true that Giannis is good enough to ramp up his usage without Dame, and Dame has more space in the middle of the floor without Giannis, so some of his numbers take a hit when Giannis is out there with him. Now, is the duo as good together as I thought they'd be? No way. I thought Dame would shoot better and be able to split doubles better, I thought we'd figure out how to give him an effective outlet on traps (JESUS CHRIST, why can't we do this), and, most importantly, I didn't think Khris was going to be in such a sad physical state that we'd have to attach a rookie to trade him for Kyle Kuzma.
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chonestown wrote:Worth noting that my mom has got it stuck in her head that his last name is "Kuzeman," it's ridiculous.
!It’s Kuz Ma!
Or no?
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IrishRainbow wrote:chonestown wrote:Worth noting that my mom has got it stuck in her head that his last name is "Kuzeman," it's ridiculous.
!It’s Kuz Ma!
Or no?
Shoot, it was right there!
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chonestown wrote:IrishRainbow wrote:chonestown wrote:Worth noting that my mom has got it stuck in her head that his last name is "Kuzeman," it's ridiculous.
!It’s Kuz Ma!
Or no?
Shoot, it was right there!
Sometimes we work so hard in the lab on posting that we don't brush up on our verbal irony. Forgivable.
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drone3 wrote:Classic... Didn't know that was the GTSMatches Malone wrote:
Former Bucks first round pick.
I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it.
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MickeyDavis wrote:Former Bucks first round pick.
The Mike Dunleavy Sr bad asset management story. Dunleavy knows we need a PG to go with Vin and Glenn. He wants to draft Damon Stoudamire. But at our pick #11 he knows he won’t be there.
He makes a deal with Portland to trade our #11 and another first round pick for spot #8 to get Damon. BUT, he doesn’t make it conditional on Damon being there at 8. Raptors surprise everyone and take Damon at 7.
This leaves Dunleavy holding the bag. So he picks Respert under the guise that Respert beat him in a horse game. But we really don’t want Respert. Meanwhile we pick Gary Trent for Portland at #11.
That Bucks screw up seemed really important at that time. Now seeing it was 30 years ago. Damn.
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aboveAverage wrote:What a steal Horst got trading Marjon for KPJ. Marjon had basically no value, and KPJ is a legit contributor. If he can fix his off-the-court issues and focus on his role, he's got 6th man of the year potential.
I'm still trying to understand it myself. He was in demand last summer as a free agent despite the past. Is he still be investigated by the NBA? I feel like this went down right before the deadline with the Clips knowing they would get Ben Simmons as another ball handler and at that point just wanted to do Porter a solid and put him on a winning team that needed another ball handler.
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Ron Swanson wrote:One thing that Frank pointed out on a recent LOB pod that I thought was insightful, but Kuzma is probably a dude whose shooting efficiency isn't gonna really benefit that much from playing next to guys like Dame and Giannis. He's never been some great catch and shoot guy, nor does he really check the boxes of a traditional rim-runner or high flyer in transition despite his size and athleticism.
There are times where we're gonna have to live with the shot selection, but he's certainly proven to be capable of going on a heater and getting you 20-25 at any given moment. Interesting that for his career he's exactly league average from the corners though (38.8%). If he's really motivated and bought in, he'll find the right spots to be an effective, off-ball 3rd-4th option.
hes a guy who will get his game off no matter the context. which is always a useful player.
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paulpressey25 wrote:MickeyDavis wrote:Former Bucks first round pick.
The Mike Dunleavy Sr bad asset management story. Dunleavy knows we need a PG to go with Vin and Glenn. He wants to draft Damon Stoudamire. But at our pick #11 he knows he won’t be there.
He makes a deal with Portland to trade our #11 and another first round pick for spot #8 to get Damon. BUT, he doesn’t make it conditional on Damon being there at 8. Raptors surprise everyone and take Damon at 7.
This leaves Dunleavy holding the bag. So he picks Respert under the guise that Respert beat him in a horse game. But we really don’t want Respert. Meanwhile we pick Gary Trent for Portland at #11.
That Bucks screw up seemed really important at that time. Now seeing it was 30 years ago. Damn.
Respert being drafted at all let alone 8th overall, may be the funniest thing in Bucks history.
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.

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paulpressey25 wrote:MickeyDavis wrote:Former Bucks first round pick.
The Mike Dunleavy Sr bad asset management story. Dunleavy knows we need a PG to go with Vin and Glenn. He wants to draft Damon Stoudamire. But at our pick #11 he knows he won’t be there.
He makes a deal with Portland to trade our #11 and another first round pick for spot #8 to get Damon. BUT, he doesn’t make it conditional on Damon being there at 8. Raptors surprise everyone and take Damon at 7.
This leaves Dunleavy holding the bag. So he picks Respert under the guise that Respert beat him in a horse game. But we really don’t want Respert. Meanwhile we pick Gary Trent for Portland at #11.
That Bucks screw up seemed really important at that time. Now seeing it was 30 years ago. Damn.
I hate the entire Dunleavy family.
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MickeyDavis wrote:drone3 wrote:Classic... Didn't know that was the GTSMatches Malone wrote:
Former Bucks first round pick.
I sat next to him earlier in the season before I saw the broadcast talk about him and I couldn't figure out who he was. He was a large man with VIP badge wearing a GT championship ring.

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buckboy wrote:
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.
Don’t forget, we gave up an extra number one to move up from 11 to 8.
It was part of that series of years where we’d give up future #1’s to move up.
11 to 8 for Respert
9 to 6 for Tractor
15 to 9 for Przybilla
And in all three moves we washed out
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paulpressey25 wrote:buckboy wrote:
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.
Don’t forget, we gave up an extra number one to move up from 11 to 8.
It was part of that series of years where we’d give up future #1’s to move up.
11 to 8 for Respert
9 to 6 for Tractor
15 to 9 for Przybilla
And in all three moves we washed out
Kurt Thomas, Dirk, and Hedo sure would have looked nice next to Sam, Ray, Glenn, Timmy, Scott Williams, and Not Magic.
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paulpressey25 wrote:buckboy wrote:
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.
Don’t forget, we gave up an extra number one to move up from 11 to 8.
It was part of that series of years where we’d give up future #1’s to move up.
11 to 8 for Respert
9 to 6 for Tractor
15 to 9 for Przybilla
And in all three moves we washed out
the youths of today would be well served to research this era. those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat It
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MickeyDavis wrote:Horst sucks yada yada yada but Prince and especially Trent at the minimum were really good signings.
Horst has shown an ability to find good value with vet minimums and quickly move on when they don't work. He's also shown no ability to draft or develop youth and he's given away lots of value trading for older veterans. Some good and bad.
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paulpressey25 wrote:buckboy wrote:
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.
Don’t forget, we gave up an extra number one to move up from 11 to 8.
It was part of that series of years where we’d give up future #1’s to move up.
11 to 8 for Respert
9 to 6 for Tractor
15 to 9 for Przybilla
And in all three moves we washed out
The Bucks haven't had multiple first round picks and kept them since Glenn Robinson and Eric Mobley.
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I haven't been following Kuz's stats at all actually. Just going off watching him and he is so much more impactful as a defender, rebounder and offensive connector than I expected.
He has made life harder from Tyrese Maxey to Steph Curry to Naz Reid, grabbed rebounds out of position, used his speed to create mismatches in transition and clearly makes an effort to move the ball. All in all very positive. If his TS and FT% creep up with a better shot diet, great.
What I like now is that we have 3 or 4 guys (KPJ) who can beat their man to create a shot. Khris is one of the best tough shot makers of all time but rarely got defenses scrambling. The more of that, the more GTJ, AJ and TP are getting wide open looks and the more our offense hums.
Still unhappy that this felt like another trade where we unnecessarily gave up value (selling low) but I see the bones of us being better right now with more flexibility going forward. The Kuzma/Green/Rollins/KPJ contracts might look amazing next year.
He has made life harder from Tyrese Maxey to Steph Curry to Naz Reid, grabbed rebounds out of position, used his speed to create mismatches in transition and clearly makes an effort to move the ball. All in all very positive. If his TS and FT% creep up with a better shot diet, great.
What I like now is that we have 3 or 4 guys (KPJ) who can beat their man to create a shot. Khris is one of the best tough shot makers of all time but rarely got defenses scrambling. The more of that, the more GTJ, AJ and TP are getting wide open looks and the more our offense hums.
Still unhappy that this felt like another trade where we unnecessarily gave up value (selling low) but I see the bones of us being better right now with more flexibility going forward. The Kuzma/Green/Rollins/KPJ contracts might look amazing next year.
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paulpressey25 wrote:buckboy wrote:
Whenever you can get a 6'1" shooting guard who can't do anything but shoot you gotta make that pick.
Don’t forget, we gave up an extra number one to move up from 11 to 8.
It was part of that series of years where we’d give up future #1’s to move up.
11 to 8 for Respert
9 to 6 for Tractor
15 to 9 for Przybilla
And in all three moves we washed out
Yes, the Bucks have been allergic to having more than 1 1st, my entire life, in spite of them being the smallest market.