2024-25 General Thread

[OxAndFox]

I think one of the things that should not be glossed over is the news that Mike Brown wanted to fire 2 of the assistant coaches, and one wasn't Doug.

I recall Marc Spears saying the organization wanted Brown to fire one coach. Then Brown refused. Was the Spears report inaccurate?

Apologies. You're correct. I heard it wrong on the Dave clip. It was the organisation that wanted Brown to fire 1 or 2 coaches and he refused.

[BoogieTime]

In regards to the teams performance, there is nothing to talk about

Teams are assessed over the long haul, not games

It’s just irrational behavior to assess the first couple of games new teammates who don’t know each other or the system, and because you dislike who they were traded for start a round of “I told you sos”

After the team wins I don’t want to start a trollish round of I told you sos back


It doesn’t matter if they lose their first ten games

They will be assessed over the course of season(s)

[BoogieTime]

^^^ it’s why teams have preseason

And if this “preseason” means we keep our pick, let it be. Could be for the better

Chemistry and roles take time

[Silver Man]

At the end of the day its just wasting the good years of Sabonis. There's no logical roster construction with this unit. We have Lavine and DeRozan on brutal contracts for multiple years. We are back to where we always are. Not bad enough to get a top pick not good enough to be anything. Monte and Vivek are out of their league its an absolute mess of a roster with no direction except trying to sell tickets from a play in game.

[codydaze]

Yeah, you have Sabonis who is one of the best playmaking bigs and can be the hub of an offense yet we are surrounding him with iso scorers. Ideally, he should be surrounded with athletic defenders that can cut and catch and shoot. You obviously still need a player that can be that iso guy and go get a bucket and we had that with Fox (who also should have been surrounded by athletic defenders who can cut and catch and shoot). Fox/Keegan/Sabonis had potential to be a really strong three man core if they were surrounded by a bunch more Keon and Keegan types but we just never went out and got those types of players.

[BoogieTime]

And just get ahead of the behavior of two users on here (I told you so, Fox!!!)

We are probably keeping our pick

In addition to the preseason it will take for this team to gel in terms of games, the Fox led Kings has ate up the teams easy schedule. It will be murderers row for this team to make the playin (March is ridiculous)

Hopefully we just see an outline of a team that works going into next year

I think it’s for the better, see some good in this coming draft.

[OGSactownballer]

I mean we should be playing to protect our pick which with our play we are unintentionally. Just a mix and match team with not identity for modern NBA game.

I guarantee that pick is staying with us. It's currently at 12, but..

SA just added Fox and is going to pass us.
GS added Jimmy
Portland has a really athletic/egoless team and is likely to pass us.
We are only 4 games ahead of Philly and they have zero reason to tank
Only 2 games ahead of ATL and they also have no reason to tank.

I'm guessing that pick ends up #10, but 8 or 9 is still in play also.

Getting a top 3 pick might be the only way we can turn this franchise around. And this is absolutely the year to do it.

When Fox asked out, instead of making these half assed moves we should have done a full tear down. We could have easily fallen to 7th, and had a 32% chance for a top 4 pick that could have been franchise changing.

You know as well as I do that will never happen as long as Vivek owns the team.

[OGSactownballer]

You guys see Fox clearing the air with Dave. It's exactly what I thought. Such a bush league organization. Fired the coach and let the star player take the blame. Then started taking calls to trade him.

Monte and Wilcox sabotaged the team with 1 foot out the door. What a joke.

Didn’t hear a different take from the three or four sources???

I understood that the FO did not want to extend Brown (excellent decision if you ask me) and that Fox told them if they let him walk to trade him. That to me puts everything squarely on Fox’s shoulders for putting them over a barrel.

I maintain that you need to go beyond these local clowns in Sacramento that are playing real reporter but are actually pretty useless and listen to the reports from other places.

Multiple local SA outlets posted reports of this being planned well in advance by Fox and his camp. I personally believe that his wife wanted to go home and made him donut but he didn’t have the balls to be honest about that and that’s what really chaos my ass about the skeeviness of the whole thing.

[codydaze]

Read on Twitter

I like this move. We needed some guard depth and he's a solid defender and can run the point. Good flyer to take.

[Indomitable]

Read on Twitter

I like this move. We needed some guard depth and he's a solid defender and can run the point. Good flyer to take.

Good athlete too

[Silver Man]

Wish we got someone who helped us with 3 point shooting but backcourt depth is more than needed so worth the move.

[OGSactownballer]

Value move.

Lots of guys who fall short of excessive expectations when they are 19 and being picked top of draft will hit their stride in their mid twenties as they mature both mentally and physically.

[City of Trees]

I can't remember the last time I watched Fultz play. Wondering what his game looks like these days

[OxAndFox]

I think we need to keep talking the Keon part to this season and the future. Especially, well kind of, but not completely, with Fultz being signed. We know a PG was needed, but where does he get minutes? If he doesn't get minutes do we realistically need one? Why wasn't McLaughlin kept if its a break glass in case of emergency?

Anyway, that wasn't really the reason for the post. It's about Keon.
The Keon disrespect will come back to bite the Kings quickly unless they see him as a starting 2 moving forward. If they don't they need to trade him in the off season. Do right by him and his future.
This isn't even about his offensive punch against NOP. It's about the defensive effect he had on the game when he came in.

He isn't a bench player in this league (and yes I get it, lots of great players come off the bench). You know what? He could be a championship caliber starting 2 guard in the NBA. That alone should be making the FO build around it (in the sense that you have Sabonis, okay let's put some 3 point shooting defenders around him - Oh you have Keegan at the 3, oh you COULD have Keon at the 2, so let's go out and get our 1 & 4).

Like Keon is THAT good on D alone. How many of the current top 10 teams do you think he starts in, IF they traded Keon for salary and picks (ie the Max the Kings value him as).
East:
Pacers
Bucks
Magic
Pistons
Heat
Hawks
Bulls
West:
OKC
Memphis
Denver
Lakers
Clippers
Mavs
GSW

Maybe you can pick a couple out of there that would be line ball. But that's 14 out of 20. The Kings are on the wrong side of how they should be playing Keon.
He is a difference maker on the defensive end. He is a game changer and his hands, feet, timing and execution are ELITE. Not just, hey this kid is really good. He is elite and if he were starting he would absolutely be in the all defensive team, 1 or 2 this season.

[OxAndFox]

And I also say this with respect that the Kings have a very good offensive squad at the moment. One of the better ones in terms of running up a score, potentially. Could be a lot of fun to watch, but the scores will always be close because of the lay up line at the other end.

[OGSactownballer]

I think we need to keep talking the Keon part to this season and the future. Especially, well kind of, but not completely, with Fultz being signed. We know a PG was needed, but where does he get minutes? If he doesn't get minutes do we realistically need one? Why wasn't McLaughlin kept if its a break glass in case of emergency?

Anyway, that wasn't really the reason for the post. It's about Keon.
The Keon disrespect will come back to bite the Kings quickly unless they see him as a starting 2 moving forward. If they don't they need to trade him in the off season. Do right by him and his future.
This isn't even about his offensive punch against NOP. It's about the defensive effect he had on the game when he came in.

He isn't a bench player in this league (and yes I get it, lots of great players come off the bench). You know what? He could be a championship caliber starting 2 guard in the NBA. That alone should be making the FO build around it (in the sense that you have Sabonis, okay let's put some 3 point shooting defenders around him - Oh you have Keegan at the 3, oh you COULD have Keon at the 2, so let's go out and get our 1 & 4).

Like Keon is THAT good on D alone. How many of the current top 10 teams do you think he starts in, IF they traded Keon for salary and picks (ie the Max the Kings value him as).
East:
Pacers
Bucks
Magic
Pistons
Heat
Hawks
Bulls
West:
OKC
Memphis
Denver
Lakers
Clippers
Mavs
GSW

Maybe you can pick a couple out of there that would be line ball. But that's 14 out of 20. The Kings are on the wrong side of how they should be playing Keon.
He is a difference maker on the defensive end. He is a game changer and his hands, feet, timing and execution are ELITE. Not just, hey this kid is really good. He is elite and if he were starting he would absolutely be in the all defensive team, 1 or 2 this season.

Been my point over and over.

If they screw around and lose this kid - who is HOME GROWN - they will regret it for a decade and a half while he has an awesome career and helps teams win rings.

Keon has that “it” factor that you cannot teach. You don’t find that very often. You need to nurture and grow him as a player.

[OGSactownballer]

I can't remember the last time I watched Fultz play. Wondering what his game looks like these days

He was actually coming along pretty nicely with Orlando. Seemed to have settled into the idea of being a good role guy.

[OGSactownballer]

And I also say this with respect that the Kings have a very good offensive squad at the moment. One of the better ones in terms of running up a score, potentially. Could be a lot of fun to watch, but the scores will always be close because of the lay up line at the other end.

This is the unfortunate part about putting the “starters” back in in the end of games. Unless you have Keon and or Keegan mixed in (preferably both) you give up way to much easy stuff instead of really putting teams away.

[OGSactownballer]

And of course Keon plays 24 minutes tonight. Almost none in the second half of the fourth quarter and none in OT. And we lose to CJ and one of the three worst teams in the league while an old and tired DeMar shoots us out of the game.

Doug needs to come down as coach and simply balance the lineups. Doesn’t matter how much money they make.

[KF10]

And of course Keon plays 24 minutes tonight. Almost none in the second half of the fourth quarter and none in OT. And we lose to CJ and one of the three worst teams in the league while an old and tired DeMar shoots us out of the game.

Doug needs to come down as coach and simply balance the lineups. Doesn’t matter how much money they make.

Honestly, it is politics and managing egos. This is the only legit reasons why Keon isn't getting more minutes, imo.

Benching a $$$$$ player (Demar, Monk or Lavine) in favor of a $ (Keon) will hurt some of these guy's ego. I thought Doug wanted to shed the interim tag line but I guess he will stay interim. We need a coach that will put out the best lineup no matter what.

It's inexplicable to keep Keon on the bench at this point.