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Post#1 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:15 pm

Came across this article while reading HoopsHype.com. Many Jazz fans worried about Lauri due to declining stats this year after getting paid. But it isn’t that simple.

Why are Lauri Markkanen’s numbers down? The Utah Jazz star says it’s all about the future.
The Jazz believe the 7-footer is making sacrifices that will help his team in the years to come.

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The Jazz just gave him a five-year, $238 million extension, so there’s understandable worry about his production. Have the Jazz made a franchise-changing mistake giving a lot of money to a mediocre player? A recent popular Reddit post called him “one of the worst contracts in the NBA.”

But a closer look at the situation reveals what’s going on: Markkanen is using this season to experiment with his game, taking harder shots than ever before.

“We’ve been working on, like, not getting just wide-open catch shoots all the time,” he said. “I’m trying to shoot more contested threes. Lightly contested, from behind dribble handoffs, and when they’re lazy switching. Stuff that I haven’t really shot before.”

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Markkanen, and the Jazz, think that practicing those types of contested shots now will pay dividends in future years, when playoff defenses get tougher. Perhaps they can use Markkanen like a tall Klay Thompson or JJ Redick, coming off of screens and getting looks off from anywhere on the court.

It’s a concept that he worked on in combination with Jazz head coach Will Hardy.

“Lauri and myself have had a lot of conversations over the last nine months about ways that he can improve.
I think that he’s taken that challenge really well in terms of trying to generate those threes off the catch, and we’ve slowly dripped in some of the iso stuff around the elbow and the free throw line,” Hardy said. “I think he’s handled it great, because there have been moments where maybe he’s not making as many as he’s used to or as he would like, but he recognizes that big picture, this is what’s best for him and for us going forward.”

Some of Markkanen’s willingness to sacrifice for the bigger picture is likely due to his contract’s security. Being locked up for the next five years, he can feel more confident in investing in the franchise’s future overall, even if it hurts his stats in the short term.

So he’s not worried about the downturn in individual production, even if outsiders are.

“I think the numbers will even out eventually,” Markkanen said on Wednesday, before scoring 32 points in a win over the Los Angeles Lakers.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2025/02/13/utah-jazzs-lauri-markkanens/




I think worried Raptors fans need to take a step back. Darko is a development coach. Raptors are a young team needing to develop. How Scottie is used this year won’t be the same moving forward imo. Same with Dick, actually, especially Dick.

What better time to develop players than when wins aren’t a priority? Hopefully the Raptors reap the rewards next year.
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Post#2 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:27 pm

It's interesting given that Lauri is 27 in his 7th season. And third team. But how many years before Jazz are competitive again? Do they make a jump next year?

Norm is an example of a player who was traded away around age 27, and has continued to develop and improve his game.
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Post#3 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:29 pm

That's what's happening but your final conclusion is off. That is how they want to use those players in the future. We don't know if it will work.
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Post#4 » by Tripod » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:21 pm

Dick is the perfect example of this.

Last year once he came up from the gleague he was a C&S corner 3 shooter and a top one in the league.

This year, he has been asked to run around screens above the break and take harder and further out shots.

As shown in the other thread, his open 3% is very good at 46%. But awful once contested. But it's all part of development.
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Post#5 » by bluerap23 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:20 pm

Side note, would love to trade for Lauri.
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Post#6 » by agkagk » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:28 pm

Ya we’re built like Denver

Scottie is only playing 30 a night but his stats are “slightly disappointing” to the pundits.

Next season we have 4 starters averaging 20 and a deep young bench.

We good.

Ps: slow mo was supposed to be our Kelly replacement on with the second unit.
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Post#7 » by MEDIC » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:34 pm

Would be good to see an article like this on Barnes & Gradey. It's obvious they are using this season to practice shots that they don't normally take.

The Raptors are in a different scenario than the Jazz. Next season will be a push for playoffs. At some point you have to reign some of this in & these types of reps will have to be done in summer runs and workout sessions.

I have mixed feelings on it. I like systems & I like it when players are elite at their roles. I would rather have players who are elite at a few things rather than Jack of all trades, master of none.

I think Gradeys development could go either way. Either he starts becoming proficient at these harder shots after a few seasons, or it totally kills his confidence & we ruin a prospect that could have been a really high end role player for us.

I am looking forward to Ingram playing next season & calming everything down. The ball will be in his hands & Scotties hands & everyone else will have to be in their spots.
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Post#8 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:39 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Side note, would love to trade for Lauri.

Would be a perfect fit. I wonder if he ever will be able to play the 5.
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Post#9 » by vini_vidi_vici » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:44 pm

Tripod wrote:Dick is the perfect example of this.

Last year once he came up from the gleague he was a C&S corner 3 shooter and a top one in the league.

This year, he has been asked to run around screens above the break and take harder and further out shots.

As shown in the other thread, his open 3% is very good at 46%. But awful once contested. But it's all part of development.


On open 3s (per NBA.com, 4+ft open) Gradey is shooting 38.5 3PT%, and it accounts for 85.1% of his 3s.

Last yr, it was 28.7 3PT% and 90.5 of his 3s.

Im not sure its that much more. Even accounting for only OffScreens finishes, his differential is 1.1% of his finishes vs last yr.
Its nice hes hitting more, but given how last yr went its not that surprising.
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Post#10 » by GP2 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:58 pm

Some of Markkanen’s willingness to sacrifice for the bigger picture is likely due to his contract’s security. Being locked up for the next five years, he can feel more confident in investing in the franchise’s future overall, even if it hurts his stats in the short term.


Not likely, certainly. This isn't some noble sacrifice.
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Post#11 » by ontnut » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:00 pm

vini_vidi_vici wrote:
Tripod wrote:Dick is the perfect example of this.

Last year once he came up from the gleague he was a C&S corner 3 shooter and a top one in the league.

This year, he has been asked to run around screens above the break and take harder and further out shots.

As shown in the other thread, his open 3% is very good at 46%. But awful once contested. But it's all part of development.


On open 3s (per NBA.com, 4+ft open) Gradey is shooting 38.5 3PT%, and it accounts for 85.1% of his 3s.

Last yr, it was 28.7 3PT% and 90.5 of his 3s.

Im not sure its that much more. Even accounting for only OffScreens finishes, his differential is 1.1% of his finishes vs last yr.
Its nice hes hitting more, but given how last yr went its not that surprising.

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Post#12 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:21 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:It's interesting given that Lauri is 27 in his 7th season. And third team. But how many years before Jazz are competitive again? Do they make a jump next year?

Norm is an example of a player who was traded away around age 27, and has continued to develop and improve his game.


If the Jazz get Cooper Flagg they could be competitive right away. Plus they have enough picks and assets to trade for two allstars without touching their core. Imagine adding two allstars or one super duper star (think top 5) player to a core of Lauri, Flagg, Kessler and whoever else.
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Post#13 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:22 pm

Tripod wrote:Dick is the perfect example of this.

Last year once he came up from the gleague he was a C&S corner 3 shooter and a top one in the league.

This year, he has been asked to run around screens above the break and take harder and further out shots.

As shown in the other thread, his open 3% is very good at 46%. But awful once contested. But it's all part of development.


He’s also attacking close outs frequently and aggressively
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Post#14 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:23 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:That's what's happening but your final conclusion is off. That is how they want to use those players in the future. We don't know if it will work.


I don’t think we see PG Scottie taking 8 threes per game regularly after this season.
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Post#15 » by HangTime » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:34 pm

It's been so obvious, all year.
Yet people think Scottie is basically a "finished product", because he's in year 4.

When he was a rookie, he was fairly polished at the complementary stuff, and Nick Nurse basically wanted him to stay that way.
We saw like a handful of games where he was running point, and it was exciting (and obvious, that we should go in that direction), but Fred and Pascal were higher priorities, being Nick's guys from the start.

Now we have a real development coach.
That why I keep saying you can't treat as 2024/25 as Scottie's 4th year.
He is so unique, that he was an Allstar last, and developmentally, 2 years behind his draft class.
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Post#16 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:42 pm

Also needs to be noted that just because you're "developing" doesn't mean it's going to be successful. Ultimately players need to show real progress on their main areas of development or else you're just wasting everyone's time. This is how teams like Charlotte, Detroit, Washington have remained bad for so long.

As evident by the Ingram trade, Masai don't got time to see if Barnes/Dick and others can become cornerstones of a winning program. Starting next year we will find out what type of program this franchise is running... it'll be put up or shut up time.
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Post#17 » by anotherhomer » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:43 pm

HangTime wrote:It's been so obvious, all year.
Yet people think Scottie is basically a "finished product", because he's in year 4.

When he was a rookie, he was fairly polished at the complementary stuff, and Nick Nurse basically wanted him to stay that way.
We saw like a handful of games where he was running point, and it was exciting (and obvious, that we should go in that direction), but Fred and Pascal were higher priorities, being Nick's guys from the start.

Now we have a real development coach.
That why I keep saying you can't treat as 2024/25 as Scottie's 4th year.
He is so unique, that he was an Allstar last, and developmentally, 2 years behind his draft class.


that's a really good point raised.....
the first two years, nick nurse wasn't prioritizing barnes development or any other youngsters development

it left the raps in a situation where they were max out but had no young players in the pipeline

at least with Darko, at least he's playing the young guys and you know what you have in them
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Post#18 » by douggood » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:45 pm

they went from a 50 win team with a young superstar, then spend 5+ years to get back to same spot in best case scenario.
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Post#19 » by microjacklin » Fri Feb 14, 2025 3:56 pm

Some people should go to reddit Raptors channel, there’s an article translate from Yak’s interview with Europe media, totally worth it and also something hide inside
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Post#20 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:02 pm

Poeltl talking about the focus on player development - at the expense of winning - at training camp was one thing. But for him to reiterate on it on Austrian TV last week was so reassuring. He's committed to the team and "the process". This isn't the Sixers' tankity tank tank tank process that yielded Fultz, Simmons and now Embiid. This is a developmental process. And if the ping pong balls land right, it could be the best of both worlds.

How would SImmons' career have been different if he had been developed properly? Brett Brown and Doc simply weren't those kind of coaches.

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