Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[Scase]

The willingness to shoot 3s, can help skew the scouting report for the opponent, allowing for a game like this.

You really need to give this slant up, he took two 3's yesterday. Him shooting 26% all year isn't opening anything up, go watch some basketball 101 videos.

I won't give that up, because it's exactly what I'm seeing this season, and most people don't get.

This game was like one of those few exceptions for the season. It just seemed a little more personal for him, maybe it was Nurse.

The stuff he was doing last night, we already know he can do that, and it's great to see. But, That's also like trying to box him in, like he was "boxed in" his first 2 seasons.

You have to give him a chance to grow, and I don't mean half a seasons worth.


I think the main thing Scottie has to work on his is energy balance between his offence and defence.

Scottie is on pace to shoot the exact same 3pa this year as he did last year, except 8% worse, this changes nothing. Please for the love of god, go learn basketball, this is absurd. No one gives you space to get to your spots because you suck at shooting 3's, this is nonsense.

[ChillRelaxDude]

How is RJ empty calories? I often agree with the complaints on the defensive end, but I'd love to hear this out.

When I look at the current construct of the team, I'm not paying attention to the starting line-up. I'm looking at pairings and how we can effectively stagger our players throughout 48 minutes so we don't get stuck watching our bench consistently give up games because no one can create.

Although we haven't seen it much this year, RJ and Quickley play well off each other. I anticipate Barnes and BI being a good pairing as well. Rotations should fix concerns about the starting line-up fit.

- No defence
- One dimensional offence
- Low efficiency scorer

I believe we have different criteria for what is considered empty calories.

I'm unsure if you're tuning into games this season because calling him one-dimensional on offence doesn't make sense.

[dballislife]

if rj was putting up 19pts 44% fg 26% from 3...he woulda been traded at the deadline

if scottie was putting up 22pts 47% fg 35% from 3...he would be at the all star game i think

[HangTime]

You really need to give this slant up, he took two 3's yesterday. Him shooting 26% all year isn't opening anything up, go watch some basketball 101 videos.

I won't give that up, because it's exactly what I'm seeing this season, and most people don't get.

This game was like one of those few exceptions for the season. It just seemed a little more personal for him, maybe it was Nurse.

The stuff he was doing last night, we already know he can do that, and it's great to see. But, That's also like trying to box him in, like he was "boxed in" his first 2 seasons.

You have to give him a chance to grow, and I don't mean half a seasons worth.


I think the main thing Scottie has to work on his is energy balance between his offence and defence.

Scottie is on pace to shoot the exact same 3pa this year as he did last year, except 8% worse, this changes nothing. Please for the love of god, go learn basketball, this is absurd. No one gives you space to get to your spots because you suck at shooting 3's, this is nonsense.

His willingness changes everything, he's taking a similar amount, but he's doing it differently, give him time.

I guess I'm seeing in a futuristic way, maybe 90% of people aren't. I'm just glad I'm on the same page as Darko.

I am anticipating the 3 point attempts to decrease next year.


In the mean time, 11 of 41 games this season, were like a review session (taking 3 or fewer threes), just showing everyone that he hasn't forgotten what he can do.

in the other 30 games, he's working on some new things.

[Boogie!]

if rj was putting up 19pts 44% fg 26% from 3...he woulda been traded at the deadline

if scottie was putting up 22pts 47% fg 35% from 3...he would be at the all star game i think

It’s honestly crazy how skewed people’s perspectives are. People will get mad at me for calling out Barnes production, but then with Rj they can’t wait to talk about how **** his defense is…

Also, can you imagine what the boards reaction would’ve been if siakam put up a season like this the year after we traded kawhi and made him the first option? Literally the entire board would’ve been calling him trash… somehow Barnes gets a pass.

I’m sorry but everyone acting like this season isn’t a disappointment for Barnes development is being **** disingenuous and people wanna make it seem like I’m the crazy one. But hey we’ve been here before. Like I said, for Barnes and the teams sake I really hope he somehow turns it around… otherwise this board is gonna turn on him quick…

[TheRaptor!]

if rj was putting up 19pts 44% fg 26% from 3...he woulda been traded at the deadline

if scottie was putting up 22pts 47% fg 35% from 3...he would be at the all star game i think

It’s honestly crazy how skewed people’s perspectives are. People will get mad at me for calling out Barnes production, but then with Rj they can’t wait to talk about how **** his defense is…

Also, can you imagine what the boards reaction would’ve been if siakam put up a season like this the year after we traded kawhi and made him the first option? Literally the entire board would’ve been calling him trash… somehow Barnes gets a pass.

I’m sorry but everyone acting like this season isn’t a disappointment for Barnes development is being **** disingenuous and people wanna make it seem like I’m the crazy one. But hey we’ve been here before. Like I said, for Barnes and the teams sake I really hope he somehow turns it around… otherwise this board is gonna turn on him quick…

Barnes will be a great 3rd option behind BI and our lottery pick

[Vampirate]

Being real, mid range aside, this is right now his worst year efficiency wise since his sophomore year. He's having by far his worst year thus far from 3, way below he was even at his rookie year.

He needs at least a respectable 3, 26% from 3 is not going to cut it, and no cutting his 3 out from his shot diet completely won't do anything either.

[tsherkin]

Being real, mid range aside, this is right now his worst year efficiency wise since his sophomore year. He's having by far his worst year thus far from 3, way below he was even at his rookie year.

Not too distant from his second season, though, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

He needs at least a respectable 3, 26% from 3 is not going to cut it, and no cutting his 3 out from his shot diet completely won't do anything either.

I mean, this only matters if we intend to continue trying to squeeze blood from a stone with him as a volume scorer, right?

[Godaddycurse]

Sometimes i wonder if he should be like Giannis and forego the 3 pt shooting

[tsherkin]

Sometimes i wonder if he should be like Giannis and forego the 3 pt shooting

He'd have to be worthwhile inside the arc for that to matter, though. And from 19-23, Giannis was a 3.5 3PA/g guy anyway.

[Scase]

People might finally be coming to the realization of how limited his offensive game is. I love Scottie and still think he will be a very good player, but scoring isn't it for him. You cant be shooting this bad in year 4 and have any hopes for being even respectable.

[tsherkin]

People might finally be coming to the realization of how limited his offensive game is. I love Scottie and still think he will be a very good player, but scoring isn't it for him. You cant be shooting this bad in year 4 and have any hopes for being even respectable.

Fortunately, he does a lot more than just score. His pre-draft profile is proving highly accurate, and that leaves us with a highly-versatile player who can function as a ball-handler and defender, can fit multiple positions and has turned into a pretty good defender who can also rebound very well. Dude's essentially an effective combo forward. Were this the late 90s, he'd be a better version of Mase in New York, essentially. That's not bad, even now. We need scoring around him, but there's still the chance that we get to shape his shot profile and turn him into an efficient guy on lower volume. Probably not world-beating efficiency, but good enough that we can all STFU about it, right?

That's still worthwhile.

[Scase]

People might finally be coming to the realization of how limited his offensive game is. I love Scottie and still think he will be a very good player, but scoring isn't it for him. You cant be shooting this bad in year 4 and have any hopes for being even respectable.

Fortunately, he does a lot more than just score. His pre-draft profile is proving highly accurate, and that leaves us with a highly-versatile player who can function as a ball-handler and defender, can fit multiple positions and has turned into a pretty good defender who can also rebound very well. Dude's essentially an effective combo forward. Were this the late 90s, he'd be a better version of Mase in New York, essentially. That's not bad, even now. We need scoring around him, but there's still the chance that we get to shape his shot profile and turn him into an efficient guy on lower volume. Probably not world-beating efficiency, but good enough that we can all STFU about it, right?

That's still worthwhile.

Absolutely, he's still super valuable and a large part of this teams future success, but man, even average efficiency would be a massive boon.

[tsherkin]

Absolutely, he's still super valuable and a large part of this teams future success, but man, even average efficiency would be a massive boon.

It would, but until we acknowledge who he is as a scorer, it isn't likely to happen.

[Buff]

Absolutely, he's still super valuable and a large part of this teams future success, but man, even average efficiency would be a massive boon.

It would, but until we acknowledge who he is as a scorer, it isn't likely to happen.

Until he plays his role.

[Buff]

People might finally be coming to the realization of how limited his offensive game is. I love Scottie and still think he will be a very good player, but scoring isn't it for him. You cant be shooting this bad in year 4 and have any hopes for being even respectable.

Fortunately, he does a lot more than just score. His pre-draft profile is proving highly accurate, and that leaves us with a highly-versatile player who can function as a ball-handler and defender, can fit multiple positions and has turned into a pretty good defender who can also rebound very well. Dude's essentially an effective combo forward. Were this the late 90s, he'd be a better version of Mase in New York, essentially. That's not bad, even now. We need scoring around him, but there's still the chance that we get to shape his shot profile and turn him into an efficient guy on lower volume. Probably not world-beating efficiency, but good enough that we can all STFU about it, right?

That's still worthwhile.

If you have done the research, how does his rookie shot profile looked?

[tsherkin]

Absolutely, he's still super valuable and a large part of this teams future success, but man, even average efficiency would be a massive boon.

It would, but until we acknowledge who he is as a scorer, it isn't likely to happen.

Until he plays his role.

I mean, that's the point, yes. But Scottie's a coachable dude. He is just doing what's asked of him at this point, so that shouldn't be a worry.

If you have done the research, how does his rookie shot profile looked?

Transition: 2.6 FGA/g
Cuts: 1.7 FGA/g
Putbacks: 1.2 FGA/g

That's over 50% of his 2pt shooting volume. It worked out a lot better than him bombing 3s at full fail. He was almost at league-average efficiency, though he was still taking 2.6 3PA/g and blowing goats at it.

[dballislife]

because of scotties defensive impact and passing, he can avg a efficient 21-22 and still be the 2nd best or even best player on a championship team imo...but he needs a 25ish and a 23ish guy with him

[tsherkin]

because of scotties defensive impact and passing, he can avg a efficient 21-22 and still be the 2nd best or even best player on a championship team imo...but he needs a 25ish and a 23ish guy with him

So he isn't likely to average an efficient anything in the 20+ ppg range. His scoring tools are just too limited. We need to look for him to shoot a bunch less and be happy with him in the teens, I suspect.

[Buff]

I mean, that's the point, yes. But Scottie's a coachable dude. He is just doing what's asked of him at this point, so that shouldn't be a worry.

We are in agreement, in fact I find it one of his better qualities.

Transition: 2.6 FGA/g
Cuts: 1.7 FGA/g
Putbacks: 1.2 FGA/g

That's over 50% of his 2pt shooting volume. It worked out a lot better than him bombing 3s at full fail. He was almost at league-average efficiency, though he was still taking 2.6 3PA/g and blowing goats at it.

Yeah, the bombing 3 we really hope never to see again. I do expect to take some (and only) wide open 3 just to keep people honest. But yeah, I see him at his best attacking mismatches downlow and otherwise being a pest bucket getter. If he scored 15.3 as a rookie I'm expecting 18, 8, 8 with great defense and that is a a #2 worth that contract.