Boston/Piston. KP to Detroit

[tmorgan]

Detroit says no. Good value, poor fit. We prioritize availability too much to wrap that much of the cap into that kinda injury history.

He's played more games than Cade in the last three seasons.

Disingenuous usage of injury time. Cade had one major injury at the start of his second season and missed the year. PorIngis has a history of lesser injuries keeping him out. But you know this.

[brackdan70]

Detroit says no. Good value, poor fit. We prioritize availability too much to wrap that much of the cap into that kinda injury history.

He's played more games than Cade in the last three seasons.

Disingenuous usage of injury time. Cade had one major injury at the start of his second season and missed the year. PorIngis has a history of lesser injuries keeping him out. But you know this.

Yeah going forward you would expect Cade to get 75 games as 30-35 or more guy and KP to get you 50-60 games in the 25-30 mpg range.

[Kalamazoo317]

Difference is that Langdon didn't trade for Cade. He was already on the roster when Langdon got here. He's only traded *for* or signed free agents that have really solid availability track records. Not saying he'd ever depart from that, but I don't think Porzingis is the one who'd convince him to.

[redslastlaugh]

I agree White or Jrue relieves way more of the tax stress than moving Kristaps, also 7-3 guys are just harder to replace than guards and KP (health aside) is esp more valuable if the next 4-5 years opposition features Wembanyama.

If I was Celtics front office, I’d be more likely to sell high on White if moving Derrick can add some picks than to sell low on Jrue if trading Holiday requires incentivizing another team to take him. But Jrue is a favorite of mine and I think White regressed a little this year from last, so maybe that’s just my preference.

This lowers BOS's enormous tax bill next year, but their potential payroll concerns stem more in the years AFTER next season if you look at the big picture. Their long term issue stems from the repeater rates. The actual solution to their payroll concerns isn't the bandaid of lowering next season's tax bill, it's setting them up to stay below the tax in the 2 years after next (26-27 and 27-28) while still remaining championship caliber. That's what will reset the repeater rates. Still being in the tax next year, just paying less of it, is only a bandaid.

Trading Jrue (or White, but less likely) for an on court downgrade but a better long term outlook is the move.

[brackdan70]

I agree White or Jrue relieves way more of the tax stress than moving Kristaps, also 7-3 guys are just harder to replace than guards and KP (health aside) is esp more valuable if the next 4-5 years opposition features Wembanyama.

If I was Celtics front office, I’d be more likely to sell high on White if moving Derrick can add some picks than to sell low on Jrue if trading Holiday requires incentivizing another team to take him. But Jrue is a favorite of mine and I think White regressed a little this year from last, so maybe that’s just my preference.

This lowers BOS's enormous tax bill next year, but their potential payroll concerns stem more in the years AFTER next season if you look at the big picture. Their long term issue stems from the repeater rates. The actual solution to their payroll concerns isn't the bandaid of lowering next season's tax bill, it's setting them up to stay below the tax in the 2 years after next (26-27 and 27-28) while still remaining championship caliber. That's what will reset the repeater rates. Still being in the tax next year, just paying less of it, is only a bandaid.

Trading Jrue (or White, but less likely) for an on court downgrade but a better long term outlook is the move.

On White , his shooting numbers are down TS .611 last year to .600 this year, and assists are down 1 per game, but interestingly his impact is very similar. Last year according to BB-Index LEBRON he was 27th in WAR. This year so far he is 21st.

[redslastlaugh]

Yea, White is top 30 player by many metrics and roughly the same as last year in the big picture. But, aside from TS% and assists, his free throw rate is down because his shot diet is so 3-heavy and his +/- and on/off has receded.
Last year in Derrick minutes, Celts were +12 better than opponent and Celts +3 with White on versus off. This year Celts are +9 in White minutes and only +0.2 better with him on the court.
Part of the on/off is Pritchard having a better season but… dunno, Derrick seems just maybe 10% less impactful this year even if that doesn’t show up at all in the catch-all stats like LEBRON.

[DetroitDon15]

I like the fit of KP with the Pistons but with his injury history. I don’t see him being a 4 long term. My guess is that he and Duren would be a hard pairing. I really see KP as a center at this point going forward.