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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#201 » by wadenation305 » Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:10 pm

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Bishop45 wrote:Mitchell's first three games was against some of the best teams in the league and one injury littered game, I'd give him more than three games


He’s a fine role player and will eventually be okay.

Not what this team needs, though.

Mia has a glaring hole for a lead ball handler who can make everyone better.

Heck, if they had Lowry from his first year in Mia on this team, they be in contention for a top 4 seed.

Team is like a restaurant full of sous-chefs after their head chef quit on the job and left behind a chaotic kitchen with no leadership to speak of.


This right here. We need a PG that can at least set the table and not turn the ball over, find people in their spots. It really concerns me that Spo really seems to think we can function properly without one. Our biggest needs besides a true number 1 is a PG and a backup Center. Also simply Terry not getting any minutes.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#202 » by wadenation305 » Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:14 pm

batterybro42 wrote:This is a lost year let’s do a stealth tank

The NBA owes us a solid by rigging the lottery for us anyways


Oh silly goose, this is Miami. We can end up with the worst record, we'll end up picking 14th anyways somehow. The NBA don't love us.
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Post#203 » by insfo » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:09 am

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#204 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:28 am

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I'm willing to bet on his future. Will he be a top 5 player himself? probably not. But why trade him for a 37 year old player? Are we a shoe in for the finals? I don't think so, I'd rather develop my guys, and suck for a few 2 years if we have to. Mobile 7 ft'ers that can Block shots and hit the 3 don't grow on trees, and the dude isn't even old enough to drink yet. Has shown us more flashes of what he could be the the few minutes he's starting to get than most of our guys have in their rookie years.

I'm ready for a home grown development arch rather that the slick salesman hiring hitmen.


Also I'm not even bothered that we lose, it's expected.


Who’s the worst player or maybe like worst tier of players you would move Ware for? Not arguing it, just curious


For me to be willing to include Ware it would have to be for someone like Chet, Banchero, Edwards, Tatum, Donic, Giannis, SGA. Obviously anyone in the top 5 as well. Others not so much. Some simply because I do not believe they are worth the price tag, both on the front end and the back end. I don't think they are worth the assets especially considering the size of the contract that they are going to want to receive which will lock us into trying to fill out the roster out of the bargain bin. I think Ware has a lot of value and a lot of upside. Let that dude develop and there's a very high chance he's going to be big. There is a reason why FO's are going to have Ware's name in their mouth when talking trades with us, and why people have come as far as our thread to inquire what we think about including him for their guy. No one comes asking about Jovic, Herro, or Jaime.


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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#205 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:30 am

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Beenie wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Mitchell's first three games was against some of the best teams in the league and one injury littered game, I'd give him more than three games


He’s a fine role player and will eventually be okay.

Not what this team needs, though.

Mia has a glaring hole for a lead ball handler who can make everyone better.

Heck, if they had Lowry from his first year in Mia on this team, they be in contention for a top 4 seed.

Team is like a restaurant full of sous-chefs after their head chef quit on the job and left behind a chaotic kitchen with no leadership to speak of.


This right here. We need a PG that can at least set the table and not turn the ball over, find people in their spots. It really concerns me that Spo really seems to think we can function properly without one. Our biggest needs besides a true number 1 is a PG and a backup Center. Also simply Terry not getting any minutes.


The arguable best playmaker in the league will be available this summer
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#206 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:34 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm down on this squad, but I'm not really wistful about the way it ended with Jimmy. He went to a team with virtually the same record and now it looks like they aren't going to make the playoffs either. Bottom line if you told me 6 years ago the Jimmy era would lead to two Finals appearances and a #1 seed, without ever adding a player better than Jimmy or even Bam to the roster, I'd accuse you of smoking crack. If you told me that after all that, some fans would be upset that that squad didn't win a championship, I'd accuse those fans of smoking crack.

We overachieved long enough, need some lottery to hopefully reload, free agency just isn't viable in current CBA. The best you can do is bolster a star, but unless you're the Lakers with connections to an idiot like Nico Harrison, nobody just hands you superstar players.


I don’t think anyone’s upset with the overall outcome of Jimmy’s Heat tenure, hate the way it ended but that seems to be the norm with us and our star players, I’m expecting the same to happen to Bam when the time comes if he decides he still wants to be here.

What people are upset with is how can we come so close 3 times and every single time we refused to make moves to try and get over the top. Literally every time. 2020 was the best overall roster we had in Jimmy’s Heat tenure, year 1, that’s insane to me. 2020 make the finals, 2021 the roster is worse. 2022 were 1 shot away from the finals, 2023 we return with a worse roster. 2023 end up still making the finals, 2024 we have a worse roster. Thats FO incompetence.
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Post#207 » by powerball1373 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:41 am

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Post#208 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:43 am

They spent the rest of the broadcast talking about it too. So awesome.....
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Post#209 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:48 am

Is that Liangelo Ball?!
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Post#210 » by marson » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:50 am

Hey, you have to win at all costs. Respek lol
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Post#211 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:05 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:refused to make moves to try and get over the top.

I don't agree with this, sometimes the moves you need to make just aren't available, and sometimes the asking price is too high. If it was this easy, then every team ever that was close to winning it all gets to have the same complaint, and that makes no logical sense.

Its not like we had cap space every year and didn't spend it, or teams were bending over to offer us star players and we were declining the offers. And its well known the team did what it could to go after players like Durant/Giannis, just could not seal the deal.

Who is the player or offer we didn't get that was on the table and turned down? At best you can argue Damian Lillard, and there's a lot of nuance to that. First off we clearly tried. Second, his agent sabotaged everything by specifying only Miami which made the league step in and strongly encourage Portland to send him elsewhere. Third, Portland's GM had the same thought process and did not want to deal with Miami for that reason. Fourth, our best potential package is arguably equivalent or outplaying what we would have gotten from Lillard this season, with Herro arguably matching Lillard's production, Niko at least playing at the level of a rotation player, and the draft pick turning into Ware.

So all you're left with is, "but what about last season", to which I say, what about last season? Lillard was underwhelming last year and declined in just about every category (his bounce back this season is impressive, but only puts him roughly on par to what Herro is doing for us), and if he had joined the team you still have Jimmy who missed the entire playoffs. I guess you can try to make the argument the entire vibe is different and that squad wins a chip, but I'm not buying it.

But I also think personally you're a little more impatient to see something happen because you're irrationally invested in Bam, and freaking out about the possibility some of his prime is wasted. To which I'll remind you, Wade lost 3 years of his prime to injury/waiting around for flexibility, and we got 2 championships and 4 finals appearances out of it.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#212 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:12 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:refused to make moves to try and get over the top.

I don't agree with this, sometimes the moves you need to make just aren't available, and sometimes the asking price is too high. If it was this easy, then every team ever that was close to winning it all gets to have the same complaint, and that makes no logical sense.

Its not like we had cap space every year and didn't spend it, or teams were bending over to offer us star players and we were declining the offers. And its well known the team did what it could to go after players like Durant/Giannis, just could not seal the deal.

Who is the player or offer we didn't get that was on the table and turned down? At best you can argue Damian Lillard, and there's a lot of nuance to that. First off we clearly tried. Second, his agent sabotaged everything by specifying only Miami which made the league step in and strongly encourage Portland to send him elsewhere. Third, Portland's GM had the same thought process and did not want to deal with Miami for that reason. Fourth, our best potential package is arguably equivalent or outplaying what we would have gotten from Lillard this season, with Herro arguably matching Lillard's production, Niko at least playing at the level of a rotation player, and the draft pick turning into Ware.

So all you're left with is, "but what about last season", to which I say, what about last season? Lillard was underwhelming last year and declined in just about every category (his bounce back this season is impressive, but only puts him roughly on par to what Herro is doing for us), and if he had joined the team you still have Jimmy who missed the entire playoffs. I guess you can try to make the argument the entire vibe is different and that squad wins a chip, but I'm not buying it.

But I also think personally you're a little more impatient to see something happen because you're irrationally invested in Bam, and freaking out about the possibility some of his prime is wasted. To which I'll remind you, Wade lost 3 years of his prime to injury/waiting around for flexibility, and we got 2 championships and 4 finals appearances out of it.


We can agree to disagree. It has literally nothing to do with Bam and everything to do with Jimmy’s age.

Dame is WAY better than Herro still to this day by the way
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Post#213 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:13 am

Lfg Herro!
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Post#214 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:14 am

Solid round, thank god he took the hat off.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#215 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:19 am

Oh shoot. Dame bout to knock Herro out.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#216 » by marson » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:21 am

Herro >>>>> Dame
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Post#217 » by Heat3 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:21 am

Dame failed to pass the Dame package.
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Post#218 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:21 am

That solves the debate guys. Herro over Dame.
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Post#219 » by Rapaz » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:21 am

Herro eliminates Lillard. Pat won the trade.
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Post#220 » by MartianTimeSlip » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:21 am

Tyler is still in it.

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