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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1441 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:27 pm

dcarter94 wrote:Trades being amended after player health examination are a a thing. It just happened with Caleb Martin & Philly ended up sending another 2nd.

I believe it’s one of those things were multiple things can be true.
1. Mark Williams is healthy enough to play right now
2. His exams showed major red flags beyond what they were informed on, which is an out for the Lakers

I think we are all aware that trades can be amended, though as a rule that has always been before the trade deadline. My point is the league should not allow an extended amendment exception, because a healthy player was traded to LA for the agreed upon package. Three days later, Rob Pelinka backed out of that agreement. When physicals have been failed previously, the cause has often been cited, isn't it curious that isn't the case here? Tyson's toe, Montiejunas' back, not sure about Sean Elliot and his kidney issue in the 90s, but he went on to be an All-Star again and a championship winner while playing at a pretty high level for 5 of the last 7 seasons after his trade.

Obviously the Lakers are in their right to rescind the trade and fail Mark's physical, they've done just that. Is it exploiting a loophole, potentially in bad faith? Many people who aren't laker fans seem to think so. Will anything happen? Many of those same people think not. If the Lakers don't win another title with LeBron and Mark doesn't retire in that timeline, who should the Lakers direct their ire towards?

A win-win trade has become a lose-lose and a talented young player is in limbo, but let's not look too closely at the guy who has always given you "snake vibes".
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1442 » by JustBuzzin » Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:36 pm

dcarter94 wrote:Long time (over a decade+) lurker here & lakers fan. 1st post. I come in peace.

I’m not a Rob Pelinka fan. He is an agent & he always gave snake vibes. With that said, I just can’t grasp the theory he would purposely sabotage the Williams deal when I just had to watch my favorite team play Alex Len 20+ minutes in 2025. We are desperate for a big & that deal was our only hopes for legit title contention this year.

Whatever the Williams screening showed had to be bad enough to give the Lakers major pause. & if you read the beginning of this thread, that isn’t far fetched as many of you were saying this was the Hornets getting ahead of what would likely be injury plagued short career.

I also wish an exception would have been made & both teams was able to amend the trade. Maybe add lottery protection to the picks.

Also we traded him for basically a 1st and a rookie who's the same age as him. Something was wrong for us to trade him so quickly.

I'm not even on the Hornets side. I actually think there is no blame on either side. We had a right to trade him and the Lakers had the right to say no thanks to his long term health.
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Post#1443 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:36 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Pure Main Character Syndrome

The audacity of the "now we're stuck with watching Hayes and Len" as if the Hornets only had one possible landing spot for Williams and they weren't just gifted an MVP caliber player for an often injured big. So annoying.
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Post#1444 » by dcarter94 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:18 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
dcarter94 wrote:Trades being amended after player health examination are a a thing. It just happened with Caleb Martin & Philly ended up sending another 2nd.

I believe it’s one of those things were multiple things can be true.
1. Mark Williams is healthy enough to play right now
2. His exams showed major red flags beyond what they were informed on, which is an out for the Lakers

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

The issue folks have is the Lakers trading for a known injury prone guy, balking at the trade after finding out the injury prone guy has injury concerns, and then expecting Charlotte to be punished or forced to give the Lakers a sweetheart deal.

And also dipshits like Jeff Teague and random other fans saying the Hornets tried to scam the Lakers by trading a known injury prone guy and acting like it wasn't public knowledge that the known injury prone guy has injury concerns.

Pure Main Character Syndrome


Why is there an assumption the Lakers want Charlotte to be punished? & it’s not even possible to amend the deal so no sweetheart deal is a real thing. More of a social media talking point.
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Post#1445 » by dcarter94 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:21 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
dcarter94 wrote:Long time (over a decade+) lurker here & lakers fan. 1st post. I come in peace.

I’m not a Rob Pelinka fan. He is an agent & he always gave snake vibes. With that said, I just can’t grasp the theory he would purposely sabotage the Williams deal when I just had to watch my favorite team play Alex Len 20+ minutes in 2025. We are desperate for a big & that deal was our only hopes for legit title contention this year.

Whatever the Williams screening showed had to be bad enough to give the Lakers major pause. & if you read the beginning of this thread, that isn’t far fetched as many of you were saying this was the Hornets getting ahead of what would likely be injury plagued short career.

I also wish an exception would have been made & both teams was able to amend the trade. Maybe add lottery protection to the picks.

Also we traded him for basically a 1st and a rookie who's the same age as him. Something was wrong for us to trade him so quickly.

I'm not even on the Hornets side. I actually think there is no blame on either side. We had a right to trade him and the Lakers had the right to say no thanks to his long term health.


This is where I’m at. I guess it’s no fun when no one is the villain though.
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1446 » by SWedd523 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:25 pm

dcarter94 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
dcarter94 wrote:Trades being amended after player health examination are a a thing. It just happened with Caleb Martin & Philly ended up sending another 2nd.

I believe it’s one of those things were multiple things can be true.
1. Mark Williams is healthy enough to play right now
2. His exams showed major red flags beyond what they were informed on, which is an out for the Lakers

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

The issue folks have is the Lakers trading for a known injury prone guy, balking at the trade after finding out the injury prone guy has injury concerns, and then expecting Charlotte to be punished or forced to give the Lakers a sweetheart deal.

And also dipshits like Jeff Teague and random other fans saying the Hornets tried to scam the Lakers by trading a known injury prone guy and acting like it wasn't public knowledge that the known injury prone guy has injury concerns.

Pure Main Character Syndrome


Why is there an assumption the Lakers want Charlotte to be punished? & it’s not even possible to amend the deal so no sweetheart deal is a real thing. More of a social media talking point.

I was referring to the social media talking point
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1447 » by Diop » Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:03 am

SWedd523 wrote:
dcarter94 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:I don't think anyone is disputing that.

The issue folks have is the Lakers trading for a known injury prone guy, balking at the trade after finding out the injury prone guy has injury concerns, and then expecting Charlotte to be punished or forced to give the Lakers a sweetheart deal.

And also dipshits like Jeff Teague and random other fans saying the Hornets tried to scam the Lakers by trading a known injury prone guy and acting like it wasn't public knowledge that the known injury prone guy has injury concerns.

Pure Main Character Syndrome


Why is there an assumption the Lakers want Charlotte to be punished? & it’s not even possible to amend the deal so no sweetheart deal is a real thing. More of a social media talking point.

I was referring to the social media talking point

the social media side has been the annoying part for me. I don't blame either team its was just the over reaction everywhere that was nauseating.
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Re: Mark Williams Trade Rescending Potentially Being Challenged Pg.24 

Post#1448 » by Chapelchilla » Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:06 am

It's also likely that we decided that Williams did not fit the role they want in a center going forward at the price he would have cost. Knecht shoots 3's, they want to play 5 out. Diabate can't shoot but he can run around the perimeter on both sides of the play and rebounds well.
Maybe we knew Mark wasnt super motivated to play (here?)
The og deal was fair if there isn't some crazy health issue that we missed or covered up deliberately. That's possible but not likely.
What happens next is gonna be intriguing. Probably fine the Lakers a second rounder and we get screwed on the Nurkic contract. Maybe we get a salary exception. I don't know what is even possible. That's if they are the ones being shady.
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Post#1449 » by luciano-davidwesley » Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:00 am

Personally I think we should just move on. I'm quite happy with giving LA back their assets and we keep Mark. It won't happen anyway as the deadline has passed but we should not be giving LA a discount for being difficult.

If Mark is pissed he'll get over it with time and the realisation he is getting paid to be a professional. If not he's a restricted free agent in 2026/27 and he can take the qualifying offer in that offseason and kick rocks. We have all the leverage there as we saw with Miles and PJ (RFA, bird rights etc) regardless. Teams aren't committing big money in free agency for starter-level restricted free agents.

I just want to know if we've done anything naferious or not, and if not I'd like to see public acknowledgement we did nothing wrong.
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Post#1450 » by EmpireFalls » Sat Feb 15, 2025 6:07 am

Losing Mark for nothing would be an absolute catastrophe.
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Post#1451 » by Diop » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:55 am

Read on Twitter
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The reporting over this has been ridiculous. So charlotte haven’t filed anything. It’s all just rumour and gossip???
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Post#1452 » by Chapelchilla » Sun Feb 16, 2025 5:00 am

Diop wrote:
Read on Twitter
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The reporting over this has been ridiculous. So charlotte haven’t filed anything. It’s all just rumour and gossip???


lol, this is bananas. Guess we will see if Mark comes back against the Lakers. If I am not actually broken, I would want to show them what they're missing.
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Post#1453 » by wilson115 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 5:16 am

Chapelchilla wrote:
Diop wrote:The reporting over this has been ridiculous. So charlotte haven’t filed anything. It’s all just rumour and gossip???


lol, this is bananas. Guess we will see if Mark comes back against the Lakers. If I am not actually broken, I would want to show them what they're missing.

Also his language here, it isn't the Williams trade he's saying he's paying attention to in particular, it's about teams changing their minds and pulling the plug because of (allegedly) failed physicals in general.

And then Silver saying "subjectivity" played a part pretty much ends any speculation the Hornets were somehow at fault.
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Post#1454 » by Diop » Sun Feb 16, 2025 5:24 am

The dream is for him to get a haul against the Lakers.

Without AD to terrorise him, he should feast.
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Post#1455 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Feb 16, 2025 5:40 am

Honestly don’t blame him for being pissed. Rehab all this time finally get healthy try to play and the first time you show you’re somewhat healthy your team tries to trade you.

Yeah. I’d be pissed.
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Post#1456 » by Diop » Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:11 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Honestly don’t blame him for being pissed. Rehab all this time finally get healthy try to play and the first time you show you’re somewhat healthy your team tries to trade you.

Yeah. I’d be pissed.

I get he would have had a lot go through his head, but is this “he’s pissed” another made up narrative someone has decided to go with?
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Post#1457 » by Jammer » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:06 pm

I think Charlotte ownership is a bunch of whimps for not making the Lakers go on record why they decided to fail Williams physical.

Obviously Silver probably advised them the Lakers could do so over a hang nail, but would luv to have forced the Lakers to articulate their reason.
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Post#1458 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:08 pm

Diop wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Honestly don’t blame him for being pissed. Rehab all this time finally get healthy try to play and the first time you show you’re somewhat healthy your team tries to trade you.

Yeah. I’d be pissed.

I get he would have had a lot go through his head, but is this “he’s pissed” another made up narrative someone has decided to go with?


lol. I made it up.
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Post#1459 » by Chapelchilla » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:10 pm

They may not want to bring to the light whatever is wrong if it is not just the back/foot stuff. Or even if it is. Hopefully Silver hooks us up for the raw deal and keeping it quiet.
Mark should go for 40/20
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Post#1460 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:15 pm

I'm hoping us not pursuing this means Silver has guaranteed us Flagg.

We shall see on lottery night.

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