2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[Dalek]

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Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

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Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

I'd be pretty pissed off if they took him. We already have a power driver who can't shoot his name is RJ Barrett. While Harper has more guard skills the fit is horrible and he probably ends up the halfway point between Rodney Stuckey and De'Aaron Fox.

[XTC]

The math isn't mathing. Someone explain like I'm 5...

Wemby is 7'3" with an 8 foot wingspan
Khaman is 7'2" with a 7'6" wingspan

...but they have the same standing reach?

Wemby has longer arms, more narrow shoulders compared to Maluach. Limb proportions matter a ton when considering wingspan and standing reach.

It's the same thing with Anthony Davis, he has broad shoulders, a 7-6 wingspan and only a 9-0 standing reach. In contrast Kevin Durant who has narrow shoulders was also measured in at 6-9 with a 7-5 wingspan, but he has a 9-2 standing reach.

Another factor could be that Wemby has a longer neck than Maluach, so his arms sit lower than Maluach. There's a ton of factors actually. It's why you can't just rely on wingspan and or standing reach, you have to look at their body types.

[BoyzNTheHood]

The math isn't mathing. Someone explain like I'm 5...

Wemby is 7'3" with an 8 foot wingspan
Khaman is 7'2" with a 7'6" wingspan

...but they have the same standing reach?

Wemby has longer arms, more narrow shoulders compared to Maluach. Limb proportions matter a ton when considering wingspan and standing reach.

It's the same thing with Anthony Davis, he has broad shoulders, a 7-6 wingspan and only a 9-0 standing reach. In contrast Kevin Durant who has narrow shoulders was also measured in at 6-9 with a 7-5 wingspan, but he has a 9-2 standing reach.

I’m not buying it with Maluach and Wemby, but maybe Khaman is able to make up 7 inches because of his frame. It doesn’t makes sense, but sure.

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The math isn't mathing. Someone explain like I'm 5...

Wemby is 7'3" with an 8 foot wingspan
Khaman is 7'2" with a 7'6" wingspan

...but they have the same standing reach?

Wemby has longer arms, more narrow shoulders compared to Maluach. Limb proportions matter a ton when considering wingspan and standing reach.

It's the same thing with Anthony Davis, he has broad shoulders, a 7-6 wingspan and only a 9-0 standing reach. In contrast Kevin Durant who has narrow shoulders was also measured in at 6-9 with a 7-5 wingspan, but he has a 9-2 standing reach.

I’m not buying it with Maluach and Wemby, but maybe Khaman is able to make up 7 inches because of his frame. It doesn’t makes sense, but sure.

I'm honestly not high on Maluach at all.

In bright red letters I have do not draft stamped on him. Not impressed by his defense or rim protection at the next level. His shot blocking mechanics are really bad (swipes down). He's going to be a foul machine at the next level.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Wemby has longer arms, more narrow shoulders compared to Maluach. Limb proportions matter a ton when considering wingspan and standing reach.

It's the same thing with Anthony Davis, he has broad shoulders, a 7-6 wingspan and only a 9-0 standing reach. In contrast Kevin Durant who has narrow shoulders was also measured in at 6-9 with a 7-5 wingspan, but he has a 9-2 standing reach.

I’m not buying it with Maluach and Wemby, but maybe Khaman is able to make up 7 inches because of his frame. It doesn’t makes sense, but sure.

I'm honestly not high on Maluach at all.

In bright red letters I have do not draft stamped on him. Not impressed by his defense or rim protection at the next level. His shot blocking mechanics are really bad (swipes down). He's going to be a foul machine at the next level.

People are banking on that 3 point shot becoming a reality, but I don’t know if it will. And even if he gets it to 35-38%, he’s not guarding guys on the perimeter. He’s not even blocking shots in the paint (2 blks per 40). A lot of people who were bad mouthing Edey last year for no good reason are high on Maluach who’s shown far less even as a freshman

[S.W.A.N]

The Thunder have almost all of their rotation players able to shoot the 3. I think you'll want Rasheer Fleming who is 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan that can shoot the 3 and guard 3-5.

The team is already a good defensive team, no need to double down and risking getting another Mogbo.

I would take multiple Mogbo type players. I don't hate the Rasheer Fleming idea though. He seems more like a trade down candidate for middle of first round.

I say this with Ryan Dunn and Mogbo in mind. I like 2-way players but I don't want an elite defender that needs their shooting fixed. Sam Vecenie in the video was saying that Orlando seems to be ones that draft and think they can fix shooting. So they take Anthony Black.

I'm fine with trading down. Atlanta at #13 and #23 (LAL) would be a nice candidate.

Is Rasheer, Shawn Marion in Amar'e Stoudemire's frame?

ya it is an interesting piece of how team building works. Do you take uber talented scorers and hope to teach them to defend Gradey Dick... Or An Anthony Black or Jalen Suggs and develop the shooting.

I think ideally you find guys that do both... But that means getting lucky and getting Flagg or VJ. Outside of those guys I think you look at the skillsets on your team. With our current core Barnes Ingram we have a good nucleus of scoring and passing.

Ryan Dunn is a great example of a guy who was drafted for his defensive abilties but has since added enough of a 3 point shot to be a critical component of the Suns now. If you looked at a CMB and said I can fix his shot to the point where he can hit 35%+ then he has a clear path to being a difference maker.

Mogbo is a good example in that he clearly needs that 3 pointer to be more than a solid rotation player but his impact on the defensive side of the ball is also clear.

13 and 23 is interesting if we get bad luck and end up at 8-9ish. Any higher than that and I think the pick has more value.
Spurs and Brooklyn are two other teams that could make for interesting trade down partners as well depending on how the ping pong balls drop..

That said I think we wouldn't do it. Even if we don't get a top 5 pick that still leaves Kaman, CMB, Queen, Demin, Asa, Tre. I am confident the raps will identify one or two of them as players they like

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I’m not buying it with Maluach and Wemby, but maybe Khaman is able to make up 7 inches because of his frame. It doesn’t makes sense, but sure.

I'm honestly not high on Maluach at all.

In bright red letters I have do not draft stamped on him. Not impressed by his defense or rim protection at the next level. His shot blocking mechanics are really bad (swipes down). He's going to be a foul machine at the next level.

People are banking on that 3 point shot becoming a reality, but I don’t know if it will. And even if he gets it to 35-38%, he’s not guarding guys on the perimeter. He’s not even blocking shots in the paint (2 blks per 40). A lot of people who were bad mouthing Edey last year for no good reason are high on Maluach who’s shown far less even as a freshman

Maluach is a big time shooter for a guy with his dimensions and age. Go back to BAL tape and his shot preparation on C&S is really good. I think he has a ton of potential w C&S and pick and pop.

I also disagree with whoever said something about fouling I think he has shown increased discipline not leaving his feet and staying square while at Duke compared to previous film. His fundamentals are improving thanks to Scheyer.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I would take multiple Mogbo type players. I don't hate the Rasheer Fleming idea though. He seems more like a trade down candidate for middle of first round.

I say this with Ryan Dunn and Mogbo in mind. I like 2-way players but I don't want an elite defender that needs their shooting fixed. Sam Vecenie in the video was saying that Orlando seems to be ones that draft and think they can fix shooting. So they take Anthony Black.

I'm fine with trading down. Atlanta at #13 and #23 (LAL) would be a nice candidate.

Is Rasheer, Shawn Marion in Amar'e Stoudemire's frame?

ya it is an interesting piece of how team building works. Do you take uber talented scorers and hope to teach them to defend Gradey Dick... Or An Anthony Black or Jalen Suggs and develop the shooting.

I think ideally you find guys that do both... But that means getting lucky and getting Flagg or VJ. Outside of those guys I think you look at the skillsets on your team. With our current core Barnes Ingram we have a good nucleus of scoring and passing.

Ryan Dunn is a great example of a guy who was drafted for his defensive abilties but has since added enough of a 3 point shot to be a critical component of the Suns now. If you looked at a CMB and said I can fix his shot to the point where he can hit 35%+ then he has a clear path to being a difference maker.

Mogbo is a good example in that he clearly needs that 3 pointer to be more than a solid rotation player but his impact on the defensive side of the ball is also clear.

13 and 23 is interesting if we get bad luck and end up at 8-9ish. Any higher than that and I think the pick has more value.
Spurs and Brooklyn are two other teams that could make for interesting trade down partners as well depending on how the ping pong balls drop..

That said I think we wouldn't do it. Even if we don't get a top 5 pick that still leaves Kaman, CMB, Queen, Demin, Asa, Tre. I am confident the raps will identify one or two of them as players they like

My concern w CMB is that he doesn't get his legs into his jumper very well.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm honestly not high on Maluach at all.

In bright red letters I have do not draft stamped on him. Not impressed by his defense or rim protection at the next level. His shot blocking mechanics are really bad (swipes down). He's going to be a foul machine at the next level.

People are banking on that 3 point shot becoming a reality, but I don’t know if it will. And even if he gets it to 35-38%, he’s not guarding guys on the perimeter. He’s not even blocking shots in the paint (2 blks per 40). A lot of people who were bad mouthing Edey last year for no good reason are high on Maluach who’s shown far less even as a freshman

Maluach is a big time shooter for a guy with his dimensions and age. Go back to BAL tape and his shot preparation on C&S is really good. I think he has a ton of potential w C&S and pick and pop.

I also disagree with whoever said something about fouling I think he has shown increased discipline not leaving his feet and staying square while at Duke compared to previous film. His fundamentals are improving thanks to Scheyer.

I’m not using BAL tape to scout anything besides the bare minimum. I’d rather use what he actually does at Duke, and that’s shoot 20% from 3.

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kawhi attempted 112 dribble jumpers his soph year and shot 76% from stripe
fleming has attempted 3 and is clearly in the 60's as ft shooter

i think fleming maxes out as pretty mid rotation player.

He's shooting 69.6% FT's, is not clearly a 60's level FT shooter. I'd say his accuracy from 3 has him be likely a better FT shooter if he had more attempts. Cherry picking, but since Dec 21, he's shooting 78% FT. I can see him eventually being a 75% FT shooter.

I'm thinking more on Shawn Marion's level. May not be a Day 1 starter but will help the team win. Same feelings for Alex Condon.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

I'd be pretty pissed off if they took him. We already have a power driver who can't shoot his name is RJ Barrett. While Harper has more guard skills the fit is horrible and he probably ends up the halfway point between Rodney Stuckey and De'Aaron Fox.

If he's BPA they take him. I don't think the team is worried if RJ is here or not - this team will keep adding talent and trade later for fit.

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Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

I'd be pretty pissed off if they took him. We already have a power driver who can't shoot his name is RJ Barrett. While Harper has more guard skills the fit is horrible and he probably ends up the halfway point between Rodney Stuckey and De'Aaron Fox.

Best case could be James Harden that shoots below average.

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[Dalek]

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Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

I'd be pretty pissed off if they took him. We already have a power driver who can't shoot his name is RJ Barrett. While Harper has more guard skills the fit is horrible and he probably ends up the halfway point between Rodney Stuckey and De'Aaron Fox.

I do think he is better passer than the above two and RJ Barrett too. He is really creative in tight situations.

My main concern with him is his shot. He seems to really cradle the ball which makes him lose a few hundredths of a second on his release. It is a bit of the lefty curse as they tend to look a little unsure as shooters, but also its his form and lower release point that will make his jumpshot success a question mark in the NBA.

He reminds me a bit of Cade Cunningham who had some efficiency question marks coming in and then took a few years to figure things out. I don't think Toronto can afford to pass on that type of player, but the fit is a bit weird and our lack of spacing won't help Harper at first.

[Got Nuffin]

I really like the top 6 players in this draft - Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe, Johnson, Jakucionis.. and would love to draft any of those guys regardless of current fit. We have too many players (assuming everyone develops) and will need to trade somewhere down the line anyway. Draft talent and figure it out later, the cream will rise to the top.

REALLY not that high on Maluach, Knueppel, McNeely, Fears or whoever else is left after that so praying that we don't drop to 7th. Nice players don't get me wrong, but having tanked all year you would hope for something more than a role player.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

People are banking on that 3 point shot becoming a reality, but I don’t know if it will. And even if he gets it to 35-38%, he’s not guarding guys on the perimeter. He’s not even blocking shots in the paint (2 blks per 40). A lot of people who were bad mouthing Edey last year for no good reason are high on Maluach who’s shown far less even as a freshman

Maluach is a big time shooter for a guy with his dimensions and age. Go back to BAL tape and his shot preparation on C&S is really good. I think he has a ton of potential w C&S and pick and pop.

I also disagree with whoever said something about fouling I think he has shown increased discipline not leaving his feet and staying square while at Duke compared to previous film. His fundamentals are improving thanks to Scheyer.

I’m not using BAL tape to scout anything besides the bare minimum. I’d rather use what he actually does at Duke, and that’s shoot 20% from 3.

My friend brought up the same concern and I countered it with Thompson OTE situation. It doesn't take away his movement skill on tape on a more spaced out floor . Like I said he has excellent shot prep on C&S and the entirety of his shooting history is very good given his age and dimensions. Duke isn't giving him the liberty to get into a groove shooting the ball, the NBA team that drafts him in part for possessing that skill in particular certainly will.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Dylan Harper has had a weird year. He's had an injury and illness which have messed him up, but his outside the paint numbers look bad. He is a big heavy guard who isn't a great pull-up shooter more a creator going to the basket. I feel like Raptors really like him and likely know him from his brother, but I don't see an easy fit in Toronto as the shooting here is shakey and I worry about his defense overall. I'd still draft him if Toronto has a shot, but it is a weird fit here.

I'd be pretty pissed off if they took him. We already have a power driver who can't shoot his name is RJ Barrett. While Harper has more guard skills the fit is horrible and he probably ends up the halfway point between Rodney Stuckey and De'Aaron Fox.

I do think he is better passer than the above two and RJ Barrett too. He is really creative in tight situations.

My main concern with him is his shot. He seems to really cradle the ball which makes him lose a few hundredths of a second on his release. It is a bit of the lefty curse as they tend to look a little unsure as shooters, but also its his form and lower release point that will make his jumpshot success a question mark in the NBA.

He reminds me a bit of Cade Cunningham who had some efficiency question marks coming in and then took a few years to figure things out. I don't think Toronto can afford to pass on that type of player, but the fit is a bit weird and our lack of spacing won't help Harper at first.

Cade had much better shooting markers and overall markers than Harper.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Maluach is a big time shooter for a guy with his dimensions and age. Go back to BAL tape and his shot preparation on C&S is really good. I think he has a ton of potential w C&S and pick and pop.

I also disagree with whoever said something about fouling I think he has shown increased discipline not leaving his feet and staying square while at Duke compared to previous film. His fundamentals are improving thanks to Scheyer.

I’m not using BAL tape to scout anything besides the bare minimum. I’d rather use what he actually does at Duke, and that’s shoot 20% from 3.

My friend brought up the same concern and I countered it with Thompson OTE situation. It doesn't take away his movement skill on tape on a more spaced out floor . Like I said he has excellent shot prep on C&S and the entirety of his shooting history is very good given his age and dimensions. Duke isn't giving him the liberty to get into a groove shooting the ball, the NBA team that drafts him in part for possessing that skill in particular certainly will.

That's fair, but the Thompson twins may just be anomalies. Level of competition matters the majority of the time. I need to see Maluach on the big stage perform. He'll have an amazing shot to skyrocket during the tourney playing beside Flagg.

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Maluach is a big time shooter for a guy with his dimensions and age. Go back to BAL tape and his shot preparation on C&S is really good. I think he has a ton of potential w C&S and pick and pop.

I also disagree with whoever said something about fouling I think he has shown increased discipline not leaving his feet and staying square while at Duke compared to previous film. His fundamentals are improving thanks to Scheyer.

I’m not using BAL tape to scout anything besides the bare minimum. I’d rather use what he actually does at Duke, and that’s shoot 20% from 3.

My friend brought up the same concern and I countered it with Thompson OTE situation. It doesn't take away his movement skill on tape on a more spaced out floor . Like I said he has excellent shot prep on C&S and the entirety of his shooting history is very good given his age and dimensions. Duke isn't giving him the liberty to get into a groove shooting the ball, the NBA team that drafts him in part for possessing that skill in particular certainly will.

We'll see at the combine. Edey shot well from 3 and he can now shoot it at an average 35%, which is really good for a C.