RGM GOAT Debate Thread (Part 2)

[AlexanderRight]

How about addressing all the videos and posts in the past I’ve made in response to you that you ignored?

For example?

If they were addressed by someone else, I had no need. Looks like you don't want to address it.
I get it - it's not a good look for Lebron in any of these really.

While we're at it and you're answering for your numerous lies, how about answering why you lied 4-5 times below?

But he is. And nothing in this thread has really shown otherwise. Look at the poll… and that’s despite the PC crew heading over and Lebron being an active player.
No one has said “the next Lebron”
6 championships, 10 scoring titles (record), 9 times first team defense (record), first in winshares, vorp per 48, PER, ppg, box plus minus, all in regular season and playoffs. Jordan has 19 of the top 100 gamescores of all time singlehandedly and 7 of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages ever himself; all hyper efficient by the way. Only four times has a player won regular season MVP, finals MVP, the scoring title and was first team defense.. all Jordan.

Never choked in a finals or put his team in a position to lose, never let his finals matchup win FMVP (let alone four times), held teammates accountable so they didn’t make dumb defensive mistakes and were battle ready, didn’t bandwagon teams to chase championships “not 6 not 7 not 8” didn’t let a player outscore him in career head to head (as durant has against lebron)

Thats as close to unanimous GOAT as you’re going to get. Its such a bad comparison, just like Kobe was. And just as I said with Kobe, you wait you’ll see just how quickly after lebron retires it’ll move on to the next player being compared to Jordan. Not Lebron… but Jordan as the GOAT. Lebron comparisons would simply feel fake and fabricated, as they are. Jordan has 80+ % of bases covered in this one, and that’s game set match.

And of course we are lucky enough that there are several players who played both and every single one says it’s Jordan “by far” “no question” etc. Yeah, that’s unanimous.

Let's see how many things he lied about or was flat out wrong about.

1. MJ is 5th in winshares, not first. He is below Kareem, LeBron Wilt and Malone.
2. VORP per 48? Just making up stats now
3. Jokic is #1 in PER, not MJ.
4. Jokic is #1 in BPM, not MJ.
5. LeBron is #1 in playoff win shares by far.

What's the excuse here? More typos?

Karl Malone, John Stockton and Chris Paul are Top 7 in all time career VORP and Win shares. That should give you an idea on how those career numbers can be inflated based on how many years you play. If you want to honestly measure a players impact, look at the per game/per season numbers. MJ has better per game Win Shares, better per game VORP, better PER and BPM than LeBron. LBJ is a distant 9th place on Win Shares per game. MJ beats LBJ in almost every per game advanced statistic not to mention 5 out of 8 traditional per game ball stats including PPG, SPG, BPG, FT%, Turnovers per game. All this data implies that MJ was a higher impact player when he was playing. Who cares that LeBron played longer? MJ played 3 years of college, missed damn near whole sophomore year and retired twice as the best player in the world, of course LeBron played longer. Yes, Joker recently did take the top spot on some of these advanced numbers but I don’t see him entering this convo yet. MJ is still #1 all time in playoff WS/48 and playoff BPM and still has 5 of the top 10 VORP seasons in history including the top spot.

[MavsDirk41]

Top 20 PER seasons all time

31.71 Jordan 87/88
31.67 James 08/09
31.63 Jordan 90/91
31.59 James 12/13
31.18 Jordan 89/90
31.14 Jordan 88/89
31.10 James 09/10

So Jordan had 4 of the top 20 PER seasons while James has 3

Lets talk VORP

Jordan top 5 seasons
12.5
11.4
10.8
10.6
10.6

James top 5 seaons
11.8
10.3
9.9
9.8
9.4

Now BPM
Jordan top 5 seasons
13.0
12.0
11.9
11.2
11.2

James top 5 seasons
13.2
11.8
11.7
10.9
10.9

Now top 5 win share seasons
Jordan
21.2
20.4
20.3
19.9
19.0

James top 5 win share seasons
20.3
19.3
18.5
16.3
15.9

Its amusing when James fans get on here and act like he smokes Jordan in advanced stats

[MavsDirk41]

Happy Birthday to the goat

[ScrantonBulls]

For example?

If they were addressed by someone else, I had no need. Looks like you don't want to address it.
I get it - it's not a good look for Lebron in any of these really.

While we're at it and you're answering for your numerous lies, how about answering why you lied 4-5 times below?

But he is. And nothing in this thread has really shown otherwise. Look at the poll… and that’s despite the PC crew heading over and Lebron being an active player.
No one has said “the next Lebron”
6 championships, 10 scoring titles (record), 9 times first team defense (record), first in winshares, vorp per 48, PER, ppg, box plus minus, all in regular season and playoffs. Jordan has 19 of the top 100 gamescores of all time singlehandedly and 7 of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages ever himself; all hyper efficient by the way. Only four times has a player won regular season MVP, finals MVP, the scoring title and was first team defense.. all Jordan.

Never choked in a finals or put his team in a position to lose, never let his finals matchup win FMVP (let alone four times), held teammates accountable so they didn’t make dumb defensive mistakes and were battle ready, didn’t bandwagon teams to chase championships “not 6 not 7 not 8” didn’t let a player outscore him in career head to head (as durant has against lebron)

Thats as close to unanimous GOAT as you’re going to get. Its such a bad comparison, just like Kobe was. And just as I said with Kobe, you wait you’ll see just how quickly after lebron retires it’ll move on to the next player being compared to Jordan. Not Lebron… but Jordan as the GOAT. Lebron comparisons would simply feel fake and fabricated, as they are. Jordan has 80+ % of bases covered in this one, and that’s game set match.

And of course we are lucky enough that there are several players who played both and every single one says it’s Jordan “by far” “no question” etc. Yeah, that’s unanimous.

Let's see how many things he lied about or was flat out wrong about.

1. MJ is 5th in winshares, not first. He is below Kareem, LeBron Wilt and Malone.
2. VORP per 48? Just making up stats now
3. Jokic is #1 in PER, not MJ.
4. Jokic is #1 in BPM, not MJ.
5. LeBron is #1 in playoff win shares by far.

What's the excuse here? More typos?

Karl Malone, John Stockton and Chris Paul are Top 7 in all time career VORP and Win shares. That should give you an idea on how those career numbers can be inflated based on how many years you play. If you want to honestly measure a players impact, look at the per game/per season numbers. MJ has better per game Win Shares, better per game VORP, better PER and BPM than LeBron. LBJ is a distant 9th place on Win Shares per game. MJ beats LBJ in almost every per game advanced statistic not to mention 5 out of 8 traditional per game ball stats including PPG, SPG, BPG, FT%, Turnovers per game. All this data implies that MJ was a higher impact player when he was playing. Who cares that LeBron played longer? MJ played 3 years of college, missed damn near whole sophomore year and retired twice as the best player in the world, of course LeBron played longer. Yes, Joker recently did take the top spot on some of these advanced numbers but I don’t see him entering this convo yet. MJ is still #1 all time in playoff WS/48 and playoff BPM and still has 5 of the top 10 VORP seasons in history including the top spot.

Thanks for chiming in Mr. Wrong, but my question is about why he feels the need to pathologically lie and/or be flat out wrong about his hero. I'm not even advocating for or against those stats. I'm pointing out that he's wrong on multiple accounts within one sentence He has zero credibility at this point after lying so frequently.

[AlexanderRight]

While we're at it and you're answering for your numerous lies, how about answering why you lied 4-5 times below?


Let's see how many things he lied about or was flat out wrong about.

1. MJ is 5th in winshares, not first. He is below Kareem, LeBron Wilt and Malone.
2. VORP per 48? Just making up stats now
3. Jokic is #1 in PER, not MJ.
4. Jokic is #1 in BPM, not MJ.
5. LeBron is #1 in playoff win shares by far.

What's the excuse here? More typos?

Karl Malone, John Stockton and Chris Paul are Top 7 in all time career VORP and Win shares. That should give you an idea on how those career numbers can be inflated based on how many years you play. If you want to honestly measure a players impact, look at the per game/per season numbers. MJ has better per game Win Shares, better per game VORP, better PER and BPM than LeBron. LBJ is a distant 9th place on Win Shares per game. MJ beats LBJ in almost every per game advanced statistic not to mention 5 out of 8 traditional per game ball stats including PPG, SPG, BPG, FT%, Turnovers per game. All this data implies that MJ was a higher impact player when he was playing. Who cares that LeBron played longer? MJ played 3 years of college, missed damn near whole sophomore year and retired twice as the best player in the world, of course LeBron played longer. Yes, Joker recently did take the top spot on some of these advanced numbers but I don’t see him entering this convo yet. MJ is still #1 all time in playoff WS/48 and playoff BPM and still has 5 of the top 10 VORP seasons in history including the top spot.

Thanks for chiming in Mr. Wrong, but my question is about why he feels the need to pathologically lie and/or be flat out wrong about his hero. I'm not even advocating for or against those stats. I'm pointing out that he's wrong on multiple accounts within one sentence He has zero credibility at this point after lying so frequently.

Meh, before last season MJ was the all time leader in PER and BPM in the reg season and playoffs before Joker took over. WS/48 split between reg season and playoffs between them. Unless you’re gonna start advocating Joker as the GOAT, that doesn’t mean squat for LeBron. Doesn’t change the fact that MJ has LeBron dusted in all these advanced stats on per game and per season basis which goes against your greater more relevant point. But by all means, if you just wanna cling onto him not knowing about Joker just so you can have something to dispute in order to pretend that you’ve been winning these arguments, knock yourself out. Just wanted to pop in real quick to say happy birthday to the GOAT.

[ScrantonBulls]

Karl Malone, John Stockton and Chris Paul are Top 7 in all time career VORP and Win shares. That should give you an idea on how those career numbers can be inflated based on how many years you play. If you want to honestly measure a players impact, look at the per game/per season numbers. MJ has better per game Win Shares, better per game VORP, better PER and BPM than LeBron. LBJ is a distant 9th place on Win Shares per game. MJ beats LBJ in almost every per game advanced statistic not to mention 5 out of 8 traditional per game ball stats including PPG, SPG, BPG, FT%, Turnovers per game. All this data implies that MJ was a higher impact player when he was playing. Who cares that LeBron played longer? MJ played 3 years of college, missed damn near whole sophomore year and retired twice as the best player in the world, of course LeBron played longer. Yes, Joker recently did take the top spot on some of these advanced numbers but I don’t see him entering this convo yet. MJ is still #1 all time in playoff WS/48 and playoff BPM and still has 5 of the top 10 VORP seasons in history including the top spot.

Thanks for chiming in Mr. Wrong, but my question is about why he feels the need to pathologically lie and/or be flat out wrong about his hero. I'm not even advocating for or against those stats. I'm pointing out that he's wrong on multiple accounts within one sentence He has zero credibility at this point after lying so frequently.

Meh, before last season MJ was the all time leader in PER and BPM in the reg season and playoffs before Joker took over. WS/48 split between reg season and playoffs between them. Unless you’re gonna start advocating Joker as the GOAT, that doesn’t mean squat for LeBron. Doesn’t change the fact that MJ has LeBron dusted in all these advanced stats on per game and per season basis which goes against your greater more relevant point. But by all means, if you just wanna cling onto him not knowing about Joker just so you can have something to dispute in order to pretend that you’ve been winning these arguments, knock yourself out.

By all means, keep defending the guy who regularly lies and makes things up just because he loves the same player you love. That's what we call "cult-like behavior".

Oh and LeBron's best single season BPM "dusts" MJs best single season BPM. But sure, that's goes against the relevant point as you would say And shall I get into single season playoff BPM, WS and VORP? Talk about dusting.

[AlexanderRight]

Oh and LeBron's best single season BPM "dusts" MJs best single season BPM. But sure, that's goes against the relevant point as you would say And shall I get into single season playoff BPM, WS and VORP? Talk about dusting.

Yup, LeBron in 09 was hoopin’ and edged out any season from MJ in regards to single season BPM, which would mean way more if MJ didn’t have three other seasons right behind that one that were better than any other season from Lebron besides 09. MJ has 5 seasons in the top 20 all time seasons in history with BPM compared to LeBron’s 3. 5 playoff runs in the top 20 all time compared to LeBron’s 2. Combine that with the fact that MJ still has better BPM in the regular season and playoffs in general and it’s easy to say MJ has BPM won. MJ also has the best single season VORP in history and 7 seasons in the top 20. LeBron only 4 seasons in the top 20. MJ still has better WS/48 than LeBron in the playoffs and regular season and has led the league in win shares way more times than LBJ has.

[MavsDirk41]

Oh and LeBron's best single season BPM "dusts" MJs best single season BPM. But sure, that's goes against the relevant point as you would say And shall I get into single season playoff BPM, WS and VORP? Talk about dusting.

Yup, LeBron in 09 was hoopin’ and edged out any season from MJ in regards to single season BPM, which would mean way more if MJ didn’t have three other seasons right behind that one that were better than any other season from Lebron besides 09. MJ has 5 seasons in the top 20 all time seasons in history with BPM compared to LeBron’s 3. 5 playoff runs in the top 20 all time compared to LeBron’s 2. Combine that with the fact that MJ still has better BPM in the regular season and playoffs in general and it’s easy to say MJ has BPM won. MJ also has the best single season VORP in history and 7 seasons in the top 20. LeBron only 4 seasons in the top 20. MJ still has better WS/48 than LeBron in the playoffs and regular season and has led the league in win shares way more times than LBJ has.

I posted Jordan and James top PER, BPM, WS, and VORP seasons on this same page and he is still in denial. Good grief lol

[ScrantonBulls]

Oh and LeBron's best single season BPM "dusts" MJs best single season BPM. But sure, that's goes against the relevant point as you would say And shall I get into single season playoff BPM, WS and VORP? Talk about dusting.

Yup, LeBron in 09 was hoopin’ and edged out any season from MJ in regards to single season BPM, which would mean way more if MJ didn’t have three other seasons right behind that one that were better than any other season from Lebron besides 09. MJ has 5 seasons in the top 20 all time seasons in history with BPM compared to LeBron’s 3. 5 playoff runs in the top 20 all time compared to LeBron’s 2. Combine that with the fact that MJ still has better BPM in the regular season and playoffs in general and it’s easy to say MJ has BPM won. MJ also has the best single season VORP in history and 7 seasons in the top 20. LeBron only 4 seasons in the top 20. MJ still has better WS/48 than LeBron in the playoffs and regular season and has led the league in win shares way more times than LBJ has.

I posted Jordan and James top PER, BPM, WS, and VORP seasons on this same page and he is still in denial. Good grief lol

- LeBron has 3 postseasons with a better VORP than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason BPM crushes MJs best (17.53 vs 14.63)
- 3 postseasons with a more winshares than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason WS/48 crushes MJs best (.3994 vs .3325)
- 2 postseasons with a better PER than any of MJs postseasons.

What more needs to be said? At his peak, he simply was better than MJ on the brightest stage. Ball don't lie, son.

[Jamaaliver]

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My girlfriend showed this to me yesterday.

The crazy thing is just how clutch he was in nearly every championship, from the college championship winner to the last championship winner as a Bull. You couldn't write a better ending.
He absolutely dominated the important games.

Mentally, he was just cut from a different cloth than everyone else.

[bledredwine]

Yup, LeBron in 09 was hoopin’ and edged out any season from MJ in regards to single season BPM, which would mean way more if MJ didn’t have three other seasons right behind that one that were better than any other season from Lebron besides 09. MJ has 5 seasons in the top 20 all time seasons in history with BPM compared to LeBron’s 3. 5 playoff runs in the top 20 all time compared to LeBron’s 2. Combine that with the fact that MJ still has better BPM in the regular season and playoffs in general and it’s easy to say MJ has BPM won. MJ also has the best single season VORP in history and 7 seasons in the top 20. LeBron only 4 seasons in the top 20. MJ still has better WS/48 than LeBron in the playoffs and regular season and has led the league in win shares way more times than LBJ has.

I posted Jordan and James top PER, BPM, WS, and VORP seasons on this same page and he is still in denial. Good grief lol

- LeBron has 3 postseasons with a better VORP than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason BPM crushes MJs best (17.53 vs 14.63)
- 3 postseasons with a more winshares than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason WS/48 crushes MJs best (.3994 vs .3325)
- 2 postseasons with a better PER than any of MJs postseasons.

What more needs to be said? At his peak, he simply was better than MJ on the brightest stage. Ball don't lie, son.

Once again, you're relying on cumulative stats where number of games influences those numbers.
Digging deeper.

And if you're going to cherry pick 2 seasons, than I can cherry pick worst PER seasons, where Lebron has like 5-6 mediocre to terrible where Jordan was consistently great at near 30 PER, all while playing in a system instead of running point (which inflates PER to begin with).

[Special_Puppy]

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[Special_Puppy]

Top 20 PER seasons all time

31.71 Jordan 87/88
31.67 James 08/09
31.63 Jordan 90/91
31.59 James 12/13
31.18 Jordan 89/90
31.14 Jordan 88/89
31.10 James 09/10

So Jordan had 4 of the top 20 PER seasons while James has 3

Lets talk VORP

Jordan top 5 seasons
12.5
11.4
10.8
10.6
10.6

James top 5 seaons
11.8
10.3
9.9
9.8
9.4

Now BPM
Jordan top 5 seasons
13.0
12.0
11.9
11.2
11.2

James top 5 seasons
13.2
11.8
11.7
10.9
10.9

Now top 5 win share seasons
Jordan
21.2
20.4
20.3
19.9
19.0

James top 5 win share seasons
20.3
19.3
18.5
16.3
15.9

Its amusing when James fans get on here and act like he smokes Jordan in advanced stats

Its LeBron's combination of Peak AND Longevity that tends to make LeBron the GOAT in these advanced stats

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Was Finals record a thing people cared about before LeBron came along? I know people cared about championships, but did people care about wins in the finals vs losses in the finals?

I wasn't around for it but I believe people did care, but it was seen normally

Like, losing in the Finals was worse than winning the Finals obviously, but it wasn't until LeBron came along that losing in the Finals became a negative to your legacy

Unless you're anyone but LeBron, in which case losing in the Finals is still a positive overall, just not as good as winning the Finals. See; Butler, Jimmy.

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Was Finals record a thing people cared about before LeBron came along? I know people cared about championships, but did people care about wins in the finals vs losses in the finals?

I wasn't around for it but I believe people did care, but it was seen normally

Like, losing in the Finals was worse than winning the Finals obviously, but it wasn't until LeBron came along that losing in the Finals became a negative to your legacy

Unless you're anyone but LeBron, in which case losing in the Finals is still a positive overall, just not as good as winning the Finals. See; Butler, Jimmy.

Ring chasing by teaming up also didn't start until Lebron, and ring counting not until Kobe was trying to catch Jordan.
After MJ won his first, they were referring to him as "the best player to ever play" in commentary.

In that regard, teaming up with other superstars and GM'ing your own teams wasn't seen as a legitimate way to win until Lebron.

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Was Finals record a thing people cared about before LeBron came along? I know people cared about championships, but did people care about wins in the finals vs losses in the finals?

I wasn't around for it but I believe people did care, but it was seen normally

Like, losing in the Finals was worse than winning the Finals obviously, but it wasn't until LeBron came along that losing in the Finals became a negative to your legacy

Unless you're anyone but LeBron, in which case losing in the Finals is still a positive overall, just not as good as winning the Finals. See; Butler, Jimmy.

Ring chasing by teaming up also didn't start until Lebron, and ring counting not until Kobe was trying to catch Jordan.
After MJ won his first, they were referring to him as "the best player to ever play" in commentary.

In that regard, teaming up with other superstars and GM'ing your own teams also wasn't seen as a legitimate way to win until Lebron started doing it.

[Jamaaliver]

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Was Finals record a thing people cared about before LeBron came along? I know people cared about championships, but did people care about wins in the finals vs losses in the finals?

I wasn't around for it but I believe people did care, but it was seen normally

Like, losing in the Finals was worse than winning the Finals obviously, but it wasn't until LeBron came along that losing in the Finals became a negative to your legacy

Unless you're anyone but LeBron, in which case losing in the Finals is still a positive overall, just not as good as winning the Finals. See; Butler, Jimmy.

You're both looking at this the wrong way.

Watching dominance play out in real time is very different than looking back and knowing the outcome.

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Jordan was very added into the 'best player in the NBA' conversations because of how effective he was on both ends of the court.

But for the first 5+ years of his career, his dominance wasn't paying off in playoff wins.

So whispers began that he couldn't win...

He eventually got past the Pistons and Celtics (after their dynasties slowly crumbled due to old age and injury), then beat Magic Johnson and the fading Lakers dynasty in the title series...cementing himself as the best in the game.

Then MJ won two more titles. That, in addition to his MVP, DPOY, All-NBA accolades-- put him in talks for the greatest of all time.

Then MJ left the game -- and his legend kind of petered out as Olajuwon, David Robinson and Shaq each appeared ready to take the mantle as the dominant force in the NBA. Then he came back in 1995 and...lost to Penny and Shaq in the 2nd Round(?) of the playoffs.

Then the questions began again.

The following year, Jordan led the Bulls to the single most dominant season in modern basketball. Culminating in a 4th title, which really pushed him into the forefront of the "greatest of all time" conversations.
Then he won another title in '97.
And another in '98.

Dude lost a single playoff series from 1991 to 1998. And dominated the league in the process.

TL;DR: Jordan isn't the GOAT because he never lost in the Finals. It's because once he learned how to win titles...he never lost a playoff series again.*

(That 1995 return at season's end was weird. No One really counts 45 Jordan coming back after 2 years away against him. That playoff run was basically his pre-season.)

[ScrantonBulls]

Was Finals record a thing people cared about before LeBron came along? I know people cared about championships, but did people care about wins in the finals vs losses in the finals?

I wasn't around for it but I believe people did care, but it was seen normally

Like, losing in the Finals was worse than winning the Finals obviously, but it wasn't until LeBron came along that losing in the Finals became a negative to your legacy

Unless you're anyone but LeBron, in which case losing in the Finals is still a positive overall, just not as good as winning the Finals. See; Butler, Jimmy.

You're both looking at this the wrong way.

Watching dominance play out in real time is very different than looking back and knowing the outcome.

Spoiler:

Jordan was very added into the 'best player in the NBA' conversations because of how effective he was on both ends of the court.

But for the first 5+ years of his career, his dominance wasn't paying off in playoff wins.

So whispers began that he couldn't win...

He eventually got past the Pistons and Celtics (after their dynasties slowly crumbled due to old age and injury), then beat Magic Johnson and the fading Lakers dynasty in the title series...cementing himself as the best in the game.

Then MJ won two more titles. That, in addition to his MVP, DPOY, All-NBA accolades-- put him in talks for the greatest of all time.

Then MJ left the game -- and his legend kind of petered out as Olajuwon, David Robinson and Shaq each appeared ready to take the mantle as the dominant force in the NBA. Then he came back in 1995 and...lost to Penny and Shaq in the 2nd Round(?) of the playoffs.

Then the questions began again.

The following year, Jordan led the Bulls to the single most dominant season in modern basketball. Culminating in a 4th title, which really pushed him into the forefront of the "greatest of all time" conversations.
Then he won another title in '97.
And another in '98.

Dude lost a single playoff series from 1991 to 1998. And dominated the league in the process.

TL;DR: Jordan isn't the GOAT because he never lost in the Finals. It's because once he learned how to win titles...he never lost a playoff series again.*

(That 1995 return at season's end was weird. No One really counts 45 Jordan coming back after 2 years away against him. That playoff run was basically his pre-season.)

"He never lost a playoff series once he learned how to win. Expect for that time he did lose a playoff series. But we don't count that one because he decided to quit for 1.5 years."

Strong mental gymnastics from the MJ mythologists

[ScrantonBulls]

I posted Jordan and James top PER, BPM, WS, and VORP seasons on this same page and he is still in denial. Good grief lol

- LeBron has 3 postseasons with a better VORP than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason BPM crushes MJs best (17.53 vs 14.63)
- 3 postseasons with a more winshares than any of MJs postseasons.
- His best postseason WS/48 crushes MJs best (.3994 vs .3325)
- 2 postseasons with a better PER than any of MJs postseasons.

What more needs to be said? At his peak, he simply was better than MJ on the brightest stage. Ball don't lie, son.

Once again, you're relying on cumulative stats where number of games influences those numbers.
Digging deeper.

And if you're going to cherry pick 2 seasons, than I can cherry pick worst PER seasons, where Lebron has like 5-6 mediocre to terrible where Jordan was consistently great at near 30 PER, all while playing in a system instead of running point (which inflates PER to begin with).

Once again, you still haven't answered for the 7 lies/wildly incorrect points that were in just 2 of your posts. I thought you were going to answer for those, son? Why should you be taken seriously when you're so frequently lying and incorrect?