Official Blue Jays 2025 Spring Training Thread

polo007 · Post #41 » by **polo007** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:44 am

What Guerrero Jr.'s decision could mean for Blue Jays - Sportsnet.ca

6:18 | February 17, 2025

Shi Davidi joins Ken Reid and Evanka Osmak to provide the latest on Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s contract talks, sharing his cautious optimism the two sides found common ground before diving into the implications of Guerrero Jr. leaving in free agency.

polo007 · Post #42 » by **polo007** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:08 am

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Madvillainy2004 · Post #43 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:18 pm

s e n s i wrote:alejandro kirk looks like he’s in tremendous shape. what a decision to keep him as our catcher.

The way people talk about Kirk is like he's Josh Thole. He had 0.1 less fWAR than Aldey Rutschman last year. He's kinda had a weird turn from being decent defensively/good hitter to below average hitter but elite defender. If he can put both together he can have a 3.5-4+ fWAR season. Still young too.

Also Vlad 100% going to FA now we might need to move him lol but I feel like Ross/Mark are gonna go with the "We won't have the balls to give him big money but we also don't have the balls to trade him mid-season" and we'll just lose him for nothing lmao

bartron_44 · Post #44 » by **bartron_44** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:13 pm

And they failed.

To quote JD… this isnt the try league. This is the get it done league!!! Atkins and that lame combover need to go. This season is now going to be a poop show. Great…

Randle McMurphy · Post #45 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:15 pm

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Asking for Soto money when he’s effectively been Pete Alonso thus far in his career.

He’s gonna cost himself millions if he doesn’t have another good year (and repeating a good year is something he’s never done in his career).

GameChannel · Post #46 » by **GameChannel** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:20 pm

Fire horse face and discount millhouse

Brinbe · Post #47 » by **Brinbe** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:25 pm

this franchise is totally fked... bunch of clowns

Post #48 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:32 pm

Brinbe wrote:this franchise is totally fked... bunch of clowns

Really needs to be fired.

You can argue whether Vlad is worth that deal. But the current state of the franchise is a complete disaster.

WuTang_CMB · Post #49 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:32 pm

curious what vladdy is asking vs jays willing

it looks like a big seperation

what a mess this gonna be a distraction

they gonna getn othing for him

Brinbe · Post #50 » by **Brinbe** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:41 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:this franchise is totally fked... bunch of clowns

Really needs to be fired.

You can argue whether Vlad is worth that deal. But the current state of the franchise is a complete disaster.

It's really not a great look to the market and the rest of the MLB. They cast yourselves out there as this big-spending team with a huge market all to their own (since they pitch themselves as Canada's team and not just Toronto's) that's supposedly in on all the 'big FAs' that can hang with the heavyweights and then you can't even lock up your big homegrown franchise guy? That doesn't compute unless you're simply cheap/incompetent.

Trying to talk about vladdy as if his value only lies with his on-field ability was always stupid. This is an entertainment business and he's the main draw. The guy who's sells jerseys, is on the cover of the big annual videogame and gets people watching games/buying tickets. Rogers is pretty much saying that he's not worth 35-45 or whatever amount per year, which is ridiculous considering how much value/attention Vladdy brings into them. Totally short-sighted but they're a terribly run organization overall.

Post #51 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:41 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Asking for Soto money when he’s effectively been Pete Alonso thus far in his career.

He’s gonna cost himself millions if he doesn’t have another good year (and repeating a good year is something he’s never done in his career).

Seems like he's been better than Alonso right? I'm sure not worth the money hes asking, but in terms of WAR the last 4 years (4.5 go 3.5 on average).

But I'm not stats guys, so I dunno.

Randle McMurphy · Post #52 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:49 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Asking for Soto money when he’s effectively been Pete Alonso thus far in his career.

He’s gonna cost himself millions if he doesn’t have another good year (and repeating a good year is something he’s never done in his career).

Seems like he's been better than Alonso right? I'm sure not worth the money hes asking, but in terms of WAR the last 4 years (4.5 go 3.5 on average).

But I'm not stats guys, so I dunno.

The only thing going for him in a comparison to Alonso is his age. Both started their careers in 2019 and both are at 17 WAR. From a pure performance perspective, they really aren’t dissimilar at all and Alonso couldn’t even get anybody in this league to give him a long term deal.

Jays fans have been fed the idea for years now that he’s some kind of superstar despite never performing even close to one and that’s led to this reaction today to what was a completely understandable decision by the FO.

Post #53 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:53 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Asking for Soto money when he’s effectively been Pete Alonso thus far in his career.

He’s gonna cost himself millions if he doesn’t have another good year (and repeating a good year is something he’s never done in his career).

Seems like he's been better than Alonso right? I'm sure not worth the money hes asking, but in terms of WAR the last 4 years (4.5 go 3.5 on average).

But I'm not stats guys, so I dunno.

The only thing going for him in a comparison to Alonso is his age. Both started their careers in 2019 and both are at 17 WAR. From a pure performance perspective, they really aren’t dissimilar at all and Alonso couldn’t even get anybody in this league to give him a long term deal.

Jays fans have been fed the idea for years now that he’s some kind of superstar despite never performing even close to one and that’s led to this reaction today to what was a completely understandable decision by the FO.

I mean he did perform as one in 2021 no? He was 6th in WAR that year and runner up as the MVP.

Randle McMurphy · Post #54 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:56 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Seems like he's been better than Alonso right? I'm sure not worth the money hes asking, but in terms of WAR the last 4 years (4.5 go 3.5 on average).

But I'm not stats guys, so I dunno.

The only thing going for him in a comparison to Alonso is his age. Both started their careers in 2019 and both are at 17 WAR. From a pure performance perspective, they really aren’t dissimilar at all and Alonso couldn’t even get anybody in this league to give him a long term deal.

Jays fans have been fed the idea for years now that he’s some kind of superstar despite never performing even close to one and that’s led to this reaction today to what was a completely understandable decision by the FO.

I mean he did perform as one in 2021 no? He was 6th in WAR that year and runner up as the MVP.

And what happened in 2022 and 2023?

You won’t get paid superstar money in this league if you only hit like a superstar every 3 years or so. There’s literally been nothing consistent about this guy in his career other than the fact he can’t field or run.

Brinbe · Post #55 » by **Brinbe** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:59 pm

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so maybe 200-something range?

what a great way to start out spring training. really not interested in watching a single second of this team for the foreseeable future. thought I'd be a Jays fan for life but really re-considering that, at least with this ownership.

Randle McMurphy · Post #56 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:59 pm

The worst case scenario here would have been this lame-duck FO giving into the ridiculous demands of a player totally undeserving of that kind of money. That’s something that would have truly hurt the franchise long after they go.

Parataxis · Post #57 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:00 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:this franchise is totally fked... bunch of clowns

Really needs to be fired.

You can argue whether Vlad is worth that deal. But the current state of the franchise is a complete disaster.

It was clear that they had to go after last offseason. And then after the trade deadline, and then and then... but we keep giving our GM more chances, and each time it blows up in our face.

The best time to fire Atkins was two years ago. The next best time is today.

COY0607 · Post #58 » by **COY0607** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:00 pm

I blame Atkins/Shapiro for a lot of stuff, but I think they did the right thing here, especially considering it would’ve been the easy thing to do for their career’s to give Vladdy whatever he wanted.

Vladdy simply isn’t worth $450M+ right now, he’s had 2 elite seasons in 6 years.

Soto has been a elite hitter year after year
Alonso has been a comparable bat to Vladdy (more power, less contact) and he signed a 54M contract. Not saying that’s what Vladdy should get, but I don’t think he gets 8-9x that either. Not unless he can back up 2024 with another elite season

rarefind · Post #59 » by **rarefind** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:02 pm

Our FO should've been canned years ago. We are essentially in no man's land with Vlad.

The time to sign or trade him have both come and gone. We have kicked the can down the road and nothing good will come of this.

Parataxis · Post #60 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:03 pm

COY0607 wrote:I blame Atkins/Shapiro for a lot of stuff, but I think they did the right thing here, especially considering it would’ve been the easy thing to do for their career’s to give Vladdy whatever he wanted.

The thing is, their failure wasn't a binary did they sign him/didn't they sign him thing.

Their failure on Vlad extends back years. This is just the culmination of it.