Potential Timeline Issues - 2025 Draft Pick with BBQ

[Indeed]

“BBQ” is not a real thing or core, it was a fake placeholder to give the fans something to cheer for until they could create a real one.

Right now the new actual core is Scottie, BI & 25’ pick. Everyone else will be used to create a roster around them.

You mean the new fake core is Barnes, Ingram and 25' pick?
If we aren't getting Flagg, the 25' pick may not be as good as people think.
If we have Flagg, it doesn't mean he can play with Barnes, and to me they play the same position, worse than fitting with Siakam.

[brownbobcat]

“BBQ” is not a real thing or core, it was a fake placeholder to give the fans something to cheer for until they could create a real one.

Right now the new actual core is Scottie, BI & 25’ pick. Everyone else will be used to create a roster around them.

If you pay someone like Quickley 19-20% of the cap, you are certainly hoping they will be part of the core.

You can't build around a '25 pick whose identity will be unknown for another 4 months and whose upside can't be properly gauged for another 1-2 years minimum.

[kalel123]

We should probably need to know what pick we are getting before we can determine if this is a thing worth worrying about. I mean, if we get a 7th pick, for example. who f'ing cares? Until then, stupid question.

But even if we were to be lucky enough to get a top pick, our best player currently is still Scottie Barnes. He's still up-and-coming himself and that's good enough for me.

[james vincent]

As messed up as this sounds, nobody should be guaranteed any spot on this team, roster, and timeline.
They have time but nobody so far (even Barnes) has demonstrated that they can be an elite #1 on a championship contending team. If the right opportunities come along, then everyone’s expendable on this roster.

That being said, we will have cap issues for a (currently) constructed team that has a 2nd round exit as its highest ceiling (so far). In a messed up way, I’m kinda glad that Barnes won’t receive that super-max extension knowing that our team would hit the 1st or 2nd apron levels without playoff results.

Lastly, I wanted to see what we had with our 2025/2026 draft picks (at the time) before committing to a player like Ingram, but I suppose MLSE put pressure on the front office to increase ticket sales and tv ratings.

[billy_hoyle]

It's almost as though we should have started the rebuild earlier.

Too bad nobody thought of that.

oh yeah, are you talking about this?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1563569&p=55383902

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

[CPT]

It's almost as though we should have started the rebuild earlier.

Too bad nobody thought of that.

oh yeah, are you talking about this?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1563569&p=55383902

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

[Scase]

oh yeah, are you talking about this?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1563569&p=55383902

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

I know its smarter to tank, but as a fan I want to us to be competitive.

At least team mediocre was honest back then.

[Los_29]

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

I know its smarter to tank, but as a fan I want to us to be competitive.

At least team mediocre was honest back then.

Is it actually smart to choose a “team building” strategy that has never worked?

[billy_hoyle]

oh yeah, are you talking about this?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1563569&p=55383902

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

I don't think you need to be embarrassed.

I also think you used dumped wrong in the second sentence. Moving a multi-time all star with a young recent top 10 pick and a future 1st is simply called a legitimate trade.

This happens, and will happen again. It's why the BI and RJ and IQ 'team mediocre' moves aren't actually a death knell for upward mobility.

[DreamTeam09]

If y'all think only #1 options are capable of leading a team, please let me know how many #1 options are in the entire NBA currently?
I'm sure that # is less than 10, so what exactly are the other 20 NBA teams supposed to do in the mean time? Wait for the lotto gods to answers prayers and hope enough ppl had children 19yrs ago that are now generational freaks ready to lead franchises to the promise land....

[Tripod]

If y'all think only #1 options are capable of leading a team, please let me know how many #1 options are in the entire NBA currently?
I'm sure that # is less than 10, so what exactly are the other 20 NBA teams supposed to do in the mean time? Wait for the lotto gods to answers prayers and hope enough ppl had children 19yrs ago that are now generational freaks ready to lead franchises to the promise land....

Yes. Then hope that person you drafted doesn't leave before you can build a Championsgip level team.

Pretty crazy that the last 20 #1 overall picks, none have been the #1 option on a Championship winning team

[bluerap23]

We should probably need to know what pick we are getting before we can determine if this is a thing worth worrying about. I mean, if we get a 7th pick, for example. who f'ing cares? Until then, stupid question.

But even if we were to be lucky enough to get a top pick, our best player currently is still Scottie Barnes. He's still up-and-coming himself and that's good enough for me.

The 7th pick in this draft could be an all-nba player in the future. This draft is very good and has some very high upside talents throughout the lottery.

But yeah - the timeline thing is definitely not an issue.

[agkagk]

Quickly and the 5th pick for ja

Problem solved.

[CPT]

Quickly and the 5th pick for ja

Problem solved.

If you had Ja, would you be looking to make that trade?

[DreamTeam09]

Quickly and the 5th pick for ja

Problem solved.

If you had Ja, would you be looking to make that trade?

If I no longer wanted Ja I wouldn't be madd at it, I'd ask for another pick and take on some other salary for me. But usually players get traded for a lesser perceived public value

[Mak]

oh yeah, are you talking about this?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1563569&p=55383902

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

Not at all, its just that you have no clue as to what is going on but somehow want to take credit for wanting the this current rebuild to start earlier. It's just funny, 50% people on this board thing they can do a better job running the team. Hilarious stuff.

[agkagk]

Quickly and the 5th pick for ja

Problem solved.

If you had Ja, would you be looking to make that trade?

It’s Memphis they broke

Its suburban ja popping guns n bottles and n da club with real killers

Pretty sure Memphis has to pay their whole young bench

Memphis can’t afford that

I’ve been streaming Memphis a bit — opposing commentators keep asking how does ja make the team better


I think there is a chance they want off the contract and want to compete

So quickly and the 5th; sounds like a good starting point

[YogurtProducer]

Fantastic pull and good reminder that too many posters on this board are biased towards rebuild/tanking. A large percentage of the posters angry at messing up the rebuild are the same posters that wanted to blow up the championship team (right before the amalgamation trades).

Masai and Bobby are pretty good executives.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed by that?

Almost 8 years ago I suggested dumping DeRozan to rebuild.

Instead we dumped him in a shocking deal that resulted in a championship.

Perhaps you guys agree with DeRozan that we would have won the championship without the trade?

I know its smarter to tank, but as a fan I want to us to be competitive.

At least team mediocre was honest back then.

Amazing. Even with hindsight and knowledge of how that team turned out, you STILL call it “team mediocre”.

But hey, you’re not negative, right?

Not to mention, those teams were winning 50-55 games a year… but that’s not good enough? Proof you’ll never be happy.

[Rapsalot]

How much age gap between Marc Serge Pascal and Fred?

If we draft a new PG I could see them trade IQ who is the oldest of BBQ and only Jac and BI older. Centers usually can play servicesable longer.