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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#581 » by Teffer10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:14 am

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Nico Harrison will never make a good trade in NBA again. Never.
His leverage is 0 right now and other GMs hate him. He is done.

He sold his face and NBA career for something... I just wait to know what is that something.
And then Karma will take care of them.

With that move they screwed next 10 years of the franchise, i don't care about the families at the game... The hate is real, mavs fans will never forget it and it's not true that a lot of people want to come over it.

They admitted they had understimated fans reaction, the bomb exploded and they tried to rush AD recovery to shut up the fans. It was even worse.

They are done in Dallas and probably they don't care but It doesn't mean it's all over.

Agree with most of this but I don't think other GMs hate him.
In fact, I think they are all salivating at the chance to deal with him in the future.
They know they can offer up things like a 2031 2nd round pick for Lively or something similar and there is a realistic chance they can get what they want.

Nico's phone was probably ringing off the hook the last few days before the TDL.



I'm not sure, there's no more white boys to be sold. There might lie your answer why he didn't want AR and Knecht in Luka deal.

Yeah, wasn't going to go there but that might be the "culture" that Nico is trying to change.
The whole weight and conditioning thing was just a convenient excuse.

There was a reason I used Lively in the example.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#582 » by Archx » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:33 am

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Jax_23 wrote:Fans should remember that sports teams belong to the city / region, not the owner. Without the fans, there is no team there is no revenue there is no support etc. Every owner eventually moves on. Make these mfers sell it sooner than later. Tarred and feathered for what this ownership did to the fans. It's not just doing the unthinkable, of trading someone who should've been 100% untouchable, it's also how they handled it afterwards. Everything they've done and continue to do absolutely wreaks of incompetence, dysfunctionality, and scum at the top. So why would any of their moves in the future improve? Don't let up.



The best move is to hit where it hurts - which is their bottomline.

But it's not gonna happen because the weak boycotts have just resulted in other people picking up the vacated season tickets. If you give up yours, some other guy will just swoop right in and get it for his family or his mates. Sure the trade sucks but most people just want to move on. The arena seems pretty filled still. It would take sections and sections of empty seats for them to take action which in 2025 has a very slim chance of happening as people are busy with their own **** to add protesting on top of their current to-do list.


Have you even seen what Mavs FO did to the fans though? They stripped and took away anything they tried to bring in to the arena to protest. Or even worse they were not even allowed to enter or were forced to change clothes. People who still went to the games (you also have it on video), said there were noticeable entire sections that were way more empty than ever before.

Mavs always had the best attendance in the NBA and seeing pictures/videos, there is ton of empty seats now. It is true what you said, some others who don't even care will pick up the tickets and the arena will still fill up to some extent but the management also made sure, anyone who tries to even show any signs of protest, will either be removed or won't be even allowed to attend the games.

North Korean dictatorship would be proud of Dumont. He's lucky this is not Europe or he would experience WW3 in front of his own door step. Club belongs to fans, not the owner, it was always like that. Unfortunately in the US, it's all about money and entertainment.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#583 » by Mavrelous » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:44 am

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Teffer10 wrote:Wonder what you guys think Reaves/Knecht/Lakers 2031 would yield in the market?
Whatever the yield would be, to think we could have had that if Nico wouldn't be such of an idiot.

Obviously, Reaves and Knecht don't fit the new Nico culture but that doesn't mean Nico couldn't have involved a 3rd (or 4th) team to yield someone who does.

A lot, Reaves is breaking out and looks like legit PG in the league...

There's no reason those 3 pieces shouldn't have been included in the deal, otherwise Nico was just dumping Luka at the TDL like they were doing Maxi.
Frickin pathetic.
I'm getting more pissed by the day.

Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#584 » by Teffer10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:50 am

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Mavrelous wrote:A lot, Reaves is breaking out and looks like legit PG in the league...

There's no reason those 3 pieces shouldn't have been included in the deal, otherwise Nico was just dumping Luka at the TDL like they were doing Maxi.
Frickin pathetic.
I'm getting more pissed by the day.

Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.

You a Mavs fan???
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#585 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:55 am

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Mavrelous wrote:A lot, Reaves is breaking out and looks like legit PG in the league...

There's no reason those 3 pieces shouldn't have been included in the deal, otherwise Nico was just dumping Luka at the TDL like they were doing Maxi.
Frickin pathetic.
I'm getting more pissed by the day.

Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.


Which better C, could you realistically get for less than 2031 FRP and Knecht? I would have rather Kessler too, but Ainge wants more for him. Maybe Turner, but he's a lot older and don't forget about matching salaries. They would have needed to include few other players in the trade.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#586 » by Mavrelous » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:03 pm

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Teffer10 wrote:There's no reason those 3 pieces shouldn't have been included in the deal, otherwise Nico was just dumping Luka at the TDL like they were doing Maxi.
Frickin pathetic.
I'm getting more pissed by the day.

Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.

You a Mavs fan???

Yes, I just appreciate what he has done for the franchise, I loathe the FO and ownership for what they did to him, it wasn't just trading him, but everything else that followed, and want him to have a better chance of succeeding elsewhere.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#587 » by Mavrelous » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:05 pm

Bob8 wrote:
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Teffer10 wrote:There's no reason those 3 pieces shouldn't have been included in the deal, otherwise Nico was just dumping Luka at the TDL like they were doing Maxi.
Frickin pathetic.
I'm getting more pissed by the day.

Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.


Which better C, could you realistically get for less than 2031 FRP and Knecht? I would have rather Kessler too, but Ainge wants more for him. Maybe Turner, but he's a lot older, but don't forget about matching salaries. They would have needed to include few other players in the trade.


Claxton, I'd give Ayton a chance with the MLE before throwing this on Mark Williams, even w/o the injury risk he's not worth that package.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#588 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:07 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.


Which better C, could you realistically get for less than 2031 FRP and Knecht? I would have rather Kessler too, but Ainge wants more for him. Maybe Turner, but he's a lot older, but don't forget about matching salaries. They would have needed to include few other players in the trade.


Claxton, I'd give Ayton a chance with the MLE before throwing this on Mark Williams, even w/o the injury risk he's not worth that package.


They wanted a C for this season too. Claxton and Ayton are having too big salary.

2030 swap is worthless, I'm not sure what real value Knecht has. So it's basically 2031 Frp.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#589 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:12 pm

Anybody seen Slightlybias talk to Tim Cato video...Cato basicaly confirmed ,what we've already heard from other people , that Luka was never Nico's guy/type of player and that he was just waiting for a chance/excuse to trade him... they're also sugesting that Luka might have f....d up Nico's plan to trade him during the last offseason by going to the finals... I have a feeling Nico pulled off the trade now is because he was worried that the same thing might happen this year ,so he used this years injury/conditioning as an excuse to make the trade...that would also explain the negative comments coming from them as they didn't think they would face so much backlash

Now Luka should have done things better(his conditioning, complaining,lazy defense) , I was always critacal of him, but the way they're talking about him makes no sense...they were playing in the finals last year and lost because of the offense ,not defense.....and Luka clearly wasn't healthy,Kyrie was running on fumes by then and nobody , besides Luka, really showed up on offense...and nobody had Mavs as one of the favorites last year or even this year

Before the break at least the players came together,showed some fight(that was missing this year a lot of the time) and played some good BB....I Just hope it wasn't so because of the shock effect..a lot of times teams when they make changes Play better,but usualy it wears off in time

I hope that Luka kind of does in LA what Kyrie did after he came to DAL and changes the whole perapective around him...and I hope Kidd doesn't run Kyrie into the ground...we know Kai has been dealing with some health concerns also and playing heavy minutes can't be good for him, unfortunately right now that's the only option this team has
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#590 » by Teffer10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:20 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:Once they did the unthinkable, I'm glad they left some trade fodder with the Lakers, Luka doesn't deserve to go through another painful rebuild.
Mavs lucked out by getting Kyrie on a discount and then PJ/Lively for 1 year of tanking, before the 23 deadline they only had DFS with positive value, I was bummed when the Lakers did the Mark Williams deal because I thought they overpaid, and could get better player for cheaper price.

You a Mavs fan???

Yes, I just appreciate what he has done for the franchise, I loathe the FO and ownership for what they did to him, it wasn't just trading him, but everything else that followed, and want him to have a better chance of succeeding elsewhere.

I understand, but while we are gathering aging vets with a realistic 2-year window, other teams are rebuilding for the future with our assets.
I can see us giving up Klay/Gaff/Marshall/Martin/OMax/Hardy/2025 FRP for KD on draft day and that would be another huge mistake.
If we are lucky, we'll have maybe one or two PO series wins at the most over those 2 years and then the nightmare will begin for over a decade.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#591 » by Mavrelous » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:27 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:You a Mavs fan???

Yes, I just appreciate what he has done for the franchise, I loathe the FO and ownership for what they did to him, it wasn't just trading him, but everything else that followed, and want him to have a better chance of succeeding elsewhere.

I understand, but while we are gathering aging vets with a realistic 2-year window, other teams are rebuilding for the future with our assets.
I can see us giving up Klay/Gaff/Marshall/Martin/OMax/Hardy/2025 FRP for KD on draft day and that would be another huge mistake.
If we are lucky, we'll have maybe one or two PO series wins at the most over those 2 years and then the nightmare will begin for over a decade.

The stupidest part of that was, Mavs had Luka, Gafford, Lively and PJ at 26 or younger, these alone are the foundation of PO team for the next 5-6 years, the draft debt Mavs had wasn't important, all they needed to do was run with Kyrie and find replacement when available 2-3 years down the road.
Nico made the decision to create a fragile 2 years window, followed by lack of draft control for 4 years, he created the ultimate trap and he'll be out of Dallas before the chicken come home to roost, that's why Dumont shares even bigger blame for not seeking 3rd part to explain the situation to him, he's the ine that's going to be holding a franchise with no means to improve.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#592 » by Archx » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:42 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:I have a feeling Nico pulled off the trade now is because he was worried that the same thing might happen this year ,so he used this years injury/conditioning as an excuse to make the trade...that would also explain the negative comments coming from them as they didn't think they would face so much backlash


Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#593 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:47 pm

Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:I have a feeling Nico pulled off the trade now is because he was worried that the same thing might happen this year ,so he used this years injury/conditioning as an excuse to make the trade...that would also explain the negative comments coming from them as they didn't think they would face so much backlash


Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.


I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, Nico just couldn't stand Luka. Some combination of personal dislike and reverse racism.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#594 » by Archx » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:04 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:I have a feeling Nico pulled off the trade now is because he was worried that the same thing might happen this year ,so he used this years injury/conditioning as an excuse to make the trade...that would also explain the negative comments coming from them as they didn't think they would face so much backlash


Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.


I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, he just couldn't stand Luka.


It was a show for the media. In no sports or serious business company, an employee who is not the top boss, will do such a serious move that will change the entire course of your business model for the next 10-15 years.
No chance in hell can anyone convince me this was simply only Nico's idea. I mean it could have been but they needed to have an extensive talk about everything before they pushed the green button.
So yeah, i understand what you mean but ultimately Dumont and Nico worked it out together on how to make it happen and why. They're trying their best to cover their tracks and make it sound like they were forced to ship him out because he was bad for the "culture". Whatever that even means these days... They still have a coach and an assistant coach with multiple criminal charges, but i guess that type of culture is ok.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#595 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:06 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:I have a feeling Nico pulled off the trade now is because he was worried that the same thing might happen this year ,so he used this years injury/conditioning as an excuse to make the trade...that would also explain the negative comments coming from them as they didn't think they would face so much backlash


Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.


I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, Nico just couldn't stand Luka. Some combination of personal dislike and reverse racism.


Yeah, I think Nico is the main culprint too....he never liked Luka and was just waiting for a chance to trade him....Dumont didn't wanna pay up and now Nico had the perfect opportunity to get a guy he liked/wanted...Nico is clueless and I'm really starting to wonder how many trades(good ones, PJ/Gafford) were actually his idea... Lindsey might have been the one responsible for them considering Mavs(probably Nico) wanted Kuzma first...and now the idiot is probably gonna trade for KD in the offseason and the Mavs are gonna have a BRK/PHX big 3 situation waiting to turn into a disaster
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#596 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:15 pm

Archx wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.


I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, he just couldn't stand Luka.


It was a show for the media. In no sports or serious business company, an employee who is not the top boss, will do such a serious move that will change the entire course of your business model for the next 10-15 years.
No chance in hell can anyone convince me this was simply only Nico's idea. I mean it could have been but they needed to have an extensive talk about everything before they pushed the green button.
So yeah, i understand what you mean but ultimately Dumont and Nico worked it out together on how to make it happen and why. They're trying their best to cover their tracks and make it sound like they were forced to ship him out because he was bad for the "culture". Whatever that even means these days... They still have a coach and an assistant coach with multiple criminal charges, but i guess that type of culture is ok.


You're partially right. This **** could have happened only with new and ignorant owner, who is clueless about basketball, so he's a guilty party too. But it was Nico's plan. If owner wanted just to save money, they would have got numerous FRPs and not AD with 200 mio contract, which they will extend shortly. Nico's plan was really simple, get rid of Luka and get AD, he didn't want anything else. He didn't want to get full value for Luka and he didn't want to save money for the owner.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#597 » by Archx » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:42 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Luka was due for a contract extension for the next 5 years with 346M in the off season. Dumont DID NOT want to pay him, that's the bottom line. People close to the situation spoke about it to insiders.
He then went to Nico and they came up with some BS excuse and Nico is now the fall guy. All the "coffee talk" and how he came up with the trade is a fairy tale for children. Who the hell really believes that? He should have left the Mavs when Dumont told him this to save his face but he's an idiot himself as well.

All the drama and post trade talk is just them trying to come up with the best justification on why they didn't want to give him money. Best example on why this is true is this...They didn't want to pay an injury prone 25yo, who can lead a team on his own to WCF, but you will pay a 32yo who NEVER led any team anywhere 60M and call it a contract for the future. Worse part of this is the fact that AD didn't even last full 3 Q's before he went down with another serious injury.

And people really buy into this logic that it was all Nico over a coffee meeting? Come on....

So, yeah... Dumont is a total dirt bag and NIco is simply following his trail.


I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, Nico just couldn't stand Luka. Some combination of personal dislike and reverse racism.


Yeah, I think Nico is the main culprint too....he never liked Luka and was just waiting for a chance to trade him....Dumont didn't wanna pay up and now Nico had the perfect opportunity to get a guy he liked/wanted...Nico is clueless and I'm really starting to wonder how many trades(good ones, PJ/Gafford) were actually his idea... Lindsey might have been the one responsible for them considering Mavs(probably Nico) wanted Kuzma first...and now the idiot is probably gonna trade for KD in the offseason and the Mavs are gonna have a BRK/PHX big 3 situation waiting to turn into a disaster


Well, he wanted Kuzma first and by pure luck, PJ and Gafford fell in his lap. PJ because he messed up with Williams and Gafford because Kuzma said no to him. Mavs lost a lot of draft capital in the process. Keep in mind, same guy messed up with Brunson as well. Didn't want to pay him 55/4 when his dad asked for it mid season :-? Well, we can blame Cuban for that as well but Nico was the GM who should have known better.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#598 » by Teffer10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:42 pm

I get where Nico is coming from and agree with his philosophy of having a complete team of two-way players.
However, not getting full return for Luka is still mind boggling to me.

I can't help but think Nico had similar frustrations with Luka that Houston had with Harden a few years ago. Nico probably didn't have a problem at all with Luka's offense but his lack of commitment to defense and lack of understanding what it takes to advance to the highest level (Kobe/MJ/LeBron) made Nico make a kneejerk reaction to move on from him. Committing a supermax deal to Luka would have meant compromising a hell of a lot of defense and opposing defenses like Boston had could shut us down.

I get it and am fine with the idea of moving on from Luka, but damn we should be set for the next 2 years AND the next decade after trading a player of that caliber.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#599 » by Teffer10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:50 pm

Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
I believe Nico is the idot and the main culprit here. Just watch his first conference, when he didn't expect outrage from the fans. He was genuinely proud of himself how he and Pelinka pulled the trade off.

The owner is just clueless. International superstar would have brought him much more money than AD in the first place. AD will cost him very similar money in next 5 years anyway. It's safe to say that owner will be losing money because of this trade.

This didn't started with coffee meeting but long before, Nico just couldn't stand Luka. Some combination of personal dislike and reverse racism.


Yeah, I think Nico is the main culprint too....he never liked Luka and was just waiting for a chance to trade him....Dumont didn't wanna pay up and now Nico had the perfect opportunity to get a guy he liked/wanted...Nico is clueless and I'm really starting to wonder how many trades(good ones, PJ/Gafford) were actually his idea... Lindsey might have been the one responsible for them considering Mavs(probably Nico) wanted Kuzma first...and now the idiot is probably gonna trade for KD in the offseason and the Mavs are gonna have a BRK/PHX big 3 situation waiting to turn into a disaster


Well, he wanted Kuzma first and by pure luck, PJ and Gafford fell in his lap. PJ because he messed up with Williams and Gafford because Kuzma said no to him. Mavs lost a lot of draft capital in the process. Keep in mind, same guy messed up with Brunson as well. Didn't want to pay him 55/4 when his dad asked for it mid season :-? Well, we can blame Cuban for that as well but Nico was the GM who should have known better.

I think Nico had a similar issue with Brunson that he had with Luka. Brunson is a one-way player. Nico had close ties with Kobe and that is what he sees in greatness, and that is tough to argue, so he'd rather have a team full of guys who can bring it on both ends. I think that is why Nico went for Naji over DJJ for the opposite reason.

I like how Nico thinks but I hate how he is going about it.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#600 » by Archx » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:02 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
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BliscoSantos wrote:
Yeah, I think Nico is the main culprint too....he never liked Luka and was just waiting for a chance to trade him....Dumont didn't wanna pay up and now Nico had the perfect opportunity to get a guy he liked/wanted...Nico is clueless and I'm really starting to wonder how many trades(good ones, PJ/Gafford) were actually his idea... Lindsey might have been the one responsible for them considering Mavs(probably Nico) wanted Kuzma first...and now the idiot is probably gonna trade for KD in the offseason and the Mavs are gonna have a BRK/PHX big 3 situation waiting to turn into a disaster


Well, he wanted Kuzma first and by pure luck, PJ and Gafford fell in his lap. PJ because he messed up with Williams and Gafford because Kuzma said no to him. Mavs lost a lot of draft capital in the process. Keep in mind, same guy messed up with Brunson as well. Didn't want to pay him 55/4 when his dad asked for it mid season :-? Well, we can blame Cuban for that as well but Nico was the GM who should have known better.

I think Nico had a similar issue with Brunson that he had with Luka. Brunson is a one-way player. Nico had close ties with Kobe and that is what he sees in greatness, and that is tough to argue, so he'd rather have a team full of guys who can bring it on both ends. I think that is why Nico went for Naji over DJJ for the opposite reason.

I like how Nico thinks but I hate how he is going about it.


The DJJ fiasco is another "wtf" moment. But that was mostly because DJJ messed up. Though i'm not sure how they didn't come to some kind of agreement before the entire situation even happened.

Regarding the trade, listen to players/coaches even other GM's across the league and not just NBA, this trade was talked in many different sports. And just by that we can see how bad this trade was. And not just what you said what Mavs got in return, just the fact that a serious GM from an NBA team was even willing to trade a player like Luka.

There are countless other stars in the NBA who deserve to be moved but they don't get moved because they are franchise players. This literally never happened before in the NBA unless "a star" himself asked to be traded. What Nico and Dumont did is almost unprecedented. This trade was so bad on so many levels that you can't even defend it unless you absolutely hated Luka in the first place. And even that would be a better reasoning than anything we heard from Nico.

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