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[F N 11]

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This might be real now. He’s not a click bait guy

Edit: seems to be a random post may be his reaction to a rumor who knows.

[TerrenceClarke]

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Cowherd don’t know schit?



Remember bro our biggest fear was desperation with these two. This smells like desperation.

[mpharris36]

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Remember bro our biggest fear was desperation with these two. This smells like desperation.

The trade rumors are for real. The #3 pick is certainly NOT in play. Cowherd didn't start the Stafford to Giants rumors he said the Rams would be asking for #3 overall which he pulled out of thin air...schefter quickly refuted that rumors specifically saying there is no chance in the world the #3 pick is in play for Stafford. To be honest even giving up our early 2nd round pick would be a massive overpay which I would be pissed at.

I agree its reeks of desperation and Mara putting a winning mandate on there heads. So it is what it is at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

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Remember bro our biggest fear was desperation with these two. This smells like desperation.

The trade rumors are for real. The #3 pick is certainly NOT in play. Cowherd didn't start the Stafford to Giants rumors he said the Rams would be asking for #3 overall which he pulled out of thin air...schefter quickly refuted that rumors specifically saying there is no chance in the world the #3 pick is in play for Stafford. To be honest even giving up our early 2nd round pick would be a massive overpay which I would be pissed at.

I agree its reeks of desperation and Mara putting a winning mandate on there heads. So it is what it is at this point.

This is so bad.

[mpharris36]

Cowherd don’t know schit?



Remember bro our biggest fear was desperation with these two. This smells like desperation.

The trade rumors are for real. The #3 pick is certainly NOT in play. Cowherd didn't start the Stafford to Giants rumors he said the Rams would be asking for #3 overall which he pulled out of thin air...schefter quickly refuted that rumors specifically saying there is no chance in the world the #3 pick is in play for Stafford. To be honest even giving up our early 2nd round pick would be a massive overpay which I would be pissed at.

I agree its reeks of desperation and Mara putting a winning mandate on there heads. So it is what it is at this point.

This is so bad.

I'm desensitized about it. When they were brought back it was clear as day what the mandate would be. So I was expecting survival mode pushed by Mara.

So I'm just judging it on face value of what I was expecting. We could do a lot worse than Stafford as QB. Sure the process is backwards as f*ck and I'm not aligned with this approach. But I'm at the point of having zero expectations.

Stafford, bring in Kupp (seems like a package deal), draft Abdul Carter sign Bryon Murphy as your CB1 and maybe we might see some wins this year. Its skipping steps but this was always going to happen with this approach to having a desperate Owner bringing back a GM/HC on the hot seat.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Straight out of the Dolan playbook from pre-Leon for bringing in washed up big name vets

[mpharris36]

Straight out of the Dolan playbook from pre-Leon for bringing in washed up big name vets

I'm trying to look at the positives...I don't trust this regime to draft the right QB (especially in a potential down QB draft year) and I was worried about trading up burning more draft capital.

Then we would be firing the GM/HC and having Mara pick a new regime that would be forced to build around a QB that wasn't there choice.

Its backwards either way.

At least here lets say we trade for Stafford (its ends up being not crazy draft capital). Maybe we draft BPA at #3 and get a really good impact player or trade down...and even if we have a bad year with Stafford (even though he's not washed he's still pretty good beat an elite vikings defense and was a play away from knocking off eagles in playoffs)...then the regime is fired and we get a new GM/HC in a much better QB draft class.

At least thats how I'm trying to spin it

[Deeeez Knicks]

Straight out of the Dolan playbook from pre-Leon for bringing in washed up big name vets

I'm trying to look at the positives...I don't trust this regime to draft the right QB (especially in a potential down QB draft year) and I was worried about trading up burning more draft capital.

Then we would be firing the GM/HC and having Mara pick a new regime that would be forced to build around a QB that wasn't there choice.

Its backwards either way.

At least here lets say we trade for Stafford (its ends up being not crazy draft capital). Maybe we draft BPA at #3 and get a really good impact player or trade down...and even if we have a bad year with Stafford (even though he's not washed he's still pretty good beat an elite vikings defense and was a play away from knocking off eagles in playoffs)...then the regime is fired and we get a new GM/HC in a much better QB draft class.

At least thats how I'm trying to spin it

Seems like the best we can hope for is for them is to do the least amount of damage possible.

[mpharris36]

Straight out of the Dolan playbook from pre-Leon for bringing in washed up big name vets

I'm trying to look at the positives...I don't trust this regime to draft the right QB (especially in a potential down QB draft year) and I was worried about trading up burning more draft capital.

Then we would be firing the GM/HC and having Mara pick a new regime that would be forced to build around a QB that wasn't there choice.

Its backwards either way.

At least here lets say we trade for Stafford (its ends up being not crazy draft capital). Maybe we draft BPA at #3 and get a really good impact player or trade down...and even if we have a bad year with Stafford (even though he's not washed he's still pretty good beat an elite vikings defense and was a play away from knocking off eagles in playoffs)...then the regime is fired and we get a new GM/HC in a much better QB draft class.

At least thats how I'm trying to spin it

Seems like the best we can hope for is for them is to do the least amount of damage possible.

Honestly that is what I'm hoping for. That is why part of me like a stop gap to QB like Stafford isn't the worst thing (assuming its not a crazy amount of draft capital) and then its a relatively short term higher AAV deal that we won't be on the hook on for a lot of years.

Going after BPA at the #3 spot (like we did with Nabers) might be least possible to **** up then having them put so much on the rookie QB for a regime already on the hot seat. We already don't want these guys making decisions...but we want them drafting the next QB for the next 10-15 years?

[MrDollarBills]

The trade rumors are for real. The #3 pick is certainly NOT in play. Cowherd didn't start the Stafford to Giants rumors he said the Rams would be asking for #3 overall which he pulled out of thin air...schefter quickly refuted that rumors specifically saying there is no chance in the world the #3 pick is in play for Stafford. To be honest even giving up our early 2nd round pick would be a massive overpay which I would be pissed at.

I agree its reeks of desperation and Mara putting a winning mandate on there heads. So it is what it is at this point.

This is so bad.

I'm desensitized about it. When they were brought back it was clear as day what the mandate would be. So I was expecting survival mode pushed by Mara.

So I'm just judging it on face value of what I was expecting. We could do a lot worse than Stafford as QB. Sure the process is backwards as f*ck and I'm not aligned with this approach. But I'm at the point of having zero expectations.

Stafford, bring in Kupp (seems like a package deal), draft Abdul Carter sign Bryon Murphy as your CB1 and maybe we might see some wins this year. Its skipping steps but this was always going to happen with this approach to having a desperate Owner bringing back a GM/HC on the hot seat.

If the cost is minimal sure. I'm not giving up #3 or our 2nd rounder for him tho

I'd rather take BPA with the 3rd pick anyway and not force a QB pick.

My other question: How much is this gonna cost cap wise?

[GONYK]

This is so bad.

I'm desensitized about it. When they were brought back it was clear as day what the mandate would be. So I was expecting survival mode pushed by Mara.

So I'm just judging it on face value of what I was expecting. We could do a lot worse than Stafford as QB. Sure the process is backwards as f*ck and I'm not aligned with this approach. But I'm at the point of having zero expectations.

Stafford, bring in Kupp (seems like a package deal), draft Abdul Carter sign Bryon Murphy as your CB1 and maybe we might see some wins this year. Its skipping steps but this was always going to happen with this approach to having a desperate Owner bringing back a GM/HC on the hot seat.

If the cost is minimal sure. I'm not giving up #3 or our 2nd rounder for him tho

I'd rather take BPA with the 3rd pick anyway and not force a QB pick.

My other question: How much is this gonna cost cap wise?

One could argue the Giants are in the position they are in because they worried about the cap too much.

Stafford is reportedly looking for something in the range of 3/150 with 80 gtd.

[GONYK]

I'm trying to look at the positives...I don't trust this regime to draft the right QB (especially in a potential down QB draft year) and I was worried about trading up burning more draft capital.

Then we would be firing the GM/HC and having Mara pick a new regime that would be forced to build around a QB that wasn't there choice.

Its backwards either way.

At least here lets say we trade for Stafford (its ends up being not crazy draft capital). Maybe we draft BPA at #3 and get a really good impact player or trade down...and even if we have a bad year with Stafford (even though he's not washed he's still pretty good beat an elite vikings defense and was a play away from knocking off eagles in playoffs)...then the regime is fired and we get a new GM/HC in a much better QB draft class.

At least thats how I'm trying to spin it

Seems like the best we can hope for is for them is to do the least amount of damage possible.

Honestly that is what I'm hoping for. That is why part of me like a stop gap to QB like Stafford isn't the worst thing (assuming its not a crazy amount of draft capital) and then its a relatively short term higher AAV deal that we won't be on the hook on for a lot of years.

Going after BPA at the #3 spot (like we did with Nabers) might be least possible to **** up then having them put so much on the rookie QB for a regime already on the hot seat. We already don't want these guys making decisions...but we want them drafting the next QB for the next 10-15 years?

If they do go Stafford, it signals that everyone thinks we aren't that far off from a playoff team and it was really all because of QB play. There is some evidence that might be true, especially in the first third of the season. Schoen needs to get some depth in key position areas though if that is the bet being made. Can't just get Stafford and Kupp and call it a day.

[mpharris36]

Seems like the best we can hope for is for them is to do the least amount of damage possible.

Honestly that is what I'm hoping for. That is why part of me like a stop gap to QB like Stafford isn't the worst thing (assuming its not a crazy amount of draft capital) and then its a relatively short term higher AAV deal that we won't be on the hook on for a lot of years.

Going after BPA at the #3 spot (like we did with Nabers) might be least possible to **** up then having them put so much on the rookie QB for a regime already on the hot seat. We already don't want these guys making decisions...but we want them drafting the next QB for the next 10-15 years?

If they do go Stafford, it signals that everyone thinks we aren't that far off from a playoff team and it was really all because of QB play. There is some evidence that might be true, especially in the first third of the season. Schoen needs to get some depth in key position areas though if that is the bet being made. Can't just get Stafford and Kupp and call it a day.

correct they need a #1 corner and depth across the organization. There have been some rumors about Byron Murphy Jr (would be a nice add).

The one thing I want to avoid is picking a QB at #3 then having a bad year and then this regime is canned and then a new GM/HC is given a QB they didn't pick and forced to build with that guy. The reason I say that...in the interview we won't look for the best GM/HC candidates we will look for the ones that can sell to Mara that they can build and win with the QB. We will be picking from a selective pool instead of the best of the best.

I feel like this is the least risky of the moves with a HC/GM on the hot seat and I don't really trust this regime to start a rebuild and draft he right QB. I don't think they will have the time to be patient and that is what you typically need with a rookie QB (non of these guys are Jayden Daniels).

[DOT]

You guys could just Falcon it

Sign Stafford, draft a QB at 3.

[mpharris36]

You guys could just Falcon it

Sign Stafford, draft a QB at 3.

possible my only thought would be the teams needs talent in other areas if they want to win games. And the HC/GM want to win games. Stafford I don't think is your vet "bridge guy" the guy that comes for 1 season and gets replaced in season. He is likely the starting QB for 2 maybe 3 years. To invest in a QB to be on the best for that many seasons. I don't think the the regime survives that.

Basically using a premium asset with a GM/HC on the hot seat that won't impact the team for 1-2 years probably won't save there jobs.

If your going to do that approach its better to trade down...build up draft capital for next year...still makes pick this year to help the team and then you have more assets to go a get a QB in a much better projected QB class in 2026.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Trade and give up assets for a 37 year old with no OL to be 4th in the division and win 4-5 games at best?

[F N 11]

Stanford’s not the answer. He’s here to help us get on our feet if it gets done. Remind me when we got Kurt Warner and naturally flowed to Eli. Y’all wanna throw a rookie in there? I’m down with good vet and a young QB.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not a fan of trading down if Hunter or Abdul-Carter are in play.

If Mara thinks this team is winning more than 6 games next year he is worse off than I thought. We need to focus on improving and development.

[DOT]

Basically every single mock draft I see has us taking Mason Graham at 5

I kind of love it, but it's just getting kind of boring to see the same take over and over again lol

[Synciere]

Basically every single mock draft I see has us taking Mason Graham at 5

I kind of love it, but it's just getting kind of boring to see the same take over and over again lol

As a Michigan fan who watched every game the past few years, I like Mason, but think he’s being a little hyped up. I don’t see the explosiveness of a Jalen Carter, which is kind of what I want if I’m picking a guy in the top ten. Elite athletic ability AND production. That said, if he does translate, he’s the type of DT every team wishes they could have. I have to go back and watch some more games to get my mind right for the draft..