Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason?

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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#21 » by SkyHook » Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:32 pm

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SkyHook wrote:Is that your (and/or the Rockets) preferred archetype for a center as supposed to what Sengun is? (Unicorn-lite?)


Its not clear exactly what the organization prefers, but it is certainly my preferred archetype.

Sengun is awesome, but he is probably not good enough to be an offensive engine, and can be exploited defensively, so I think he is a high floor, low ceiling player. On my personal views of constructing a well balanced contending team (including cap allocation), I have always seen his archetype as more of a 6th man, who can just come in and punish other team's benches, by dominating the ball and spamming post ups, when your primary guys are off the floor. Off the bench, there is also less likely to be guys who can exploit his defensive weaknesses. To me, that is how you maximize a guy like Sengun. Anything more than that, you have exposure or inefficiency in roster construction. If interested, I would recommend you watch the first quarter of the recent Dallas / Houston game, where we were just absolutely mauled by AD and Gafford. The verticality was unstoppable and Sengun could not do anything. That is one of two basically unsolvable situations defensively, where if you are serious about contending, Sengun just won't cut it as your starting center. Now, most teams would just roll with it because they don't have better options, but we seem to be fortunate enough to have a ton of options for who to keep / who to trade, etc., so I think the thought exercise is worth considering.

My prediction is that we ultimately trade for one or two guys who are elite offensively, which will dominate the ball / shots, so to me, it might not make sense to keep Sengun, who wouldn't see the ball as much, but would still have those exploitable defensive issues. It just isn't a good allocation of that much of your cap space. We might not get anybody, but if we do, I could see a scenario where a cheaper rim running defensive center + 3 or 4 additional firsts, makes a ton more sense.

I have no idea who becomes available, if anyone. Names I speculate might become available soon... Trae, Booker, Melo, or perhaps even Ja, Haliburton. Maybe Harden comes back for a retirement run on a cheap deal. I think most of those guys (particularly the playmakers) get "unlocked" alongside a rim runner with vertical spacing.

While I love our team and prospects moving forward, I do get frustrated that we haven't had a rim protector / runner in 5 years. To me, that is a disservice to the team, Green and Amen especially, as I think these types of big men really do take the pressure off of penetrating wings / guards. I would be furious if we give up on Green at some point, and he lands on a team with a traditional big and it opens up the game for him.

Anyway, just my two cents.


That's a bit more than just two cents! :lol: Seriously though, that's excellent insight into your thinking. I have similar thoughts; it's a big reason why I swat away most any proposal for Kessler.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#22 » by tmorgan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:40 pm

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SkyHook wrote:Is that your (and/or the Rockets) preferred archetype for a center as supposed to what Sengun is? (Unicorn-lite?)


Its not clear exactly what the organization prefers, but it is certainly my preferred archetype.

Sengun is awesome, but he is probably not good enough to be an offensive engine, and can be exploited defensively, so I think he is a high floor, low ceiling player. On my personal views of constructing a well balanced contending team (including cap allocation), I have always seen his archetype as more of a 6th man, who can just come in and punish other team's benches, by dominating the ball and spamming post ups, when your primary guys are off the floor. Off the bench, there is also less likely to be guys who can exploit his defensive weaknesses. To me, that is how you maximize a guy like Sengun. Anything more than that, you have exposure or inefficiency in roster construction. If interested, I would recommend you watch the first quarter of the recent Dallas / Houston game, where we were just absolutely mauled by AD and Gafford. The verticality was unstoppable and Sengun could not do anything. That is one of two basically unsolvable situations defensively, where if you are serious about contending, Sengun just won't cut it as your starting center. Now, most teams would just roll with it because they don't have better options, but we seem to be fortunate enough to have a ton of options for who to keep / who to trade, etc., so I think the thought exercise is worth considering.

My prediction is that we ultimately trade for one or two guys who are elite offensively, which will dominate the ball / shots, so to me, it might not make sense to keep Sengun, who wouldn't see the ball as much, but would still have those exploitable defensive issues. It just isn't a good allocation of that much of your cap space. We might not get anybody, but if we do, I could see a scenario where a cheaper rim running defensive center + 3 or 4 additional firsts, makes a ton more sense.

I have no idea who becomes available, if anyone. Names I speculate might become available soon... Trae, Booker, Melo, or perhaps even Ja, Haliburton. Maybe Harden comes back for a retirement run on a cheap deal. I think most of those guys (particularly the playmakers) get "unlocked" alongside a rim runner with vertical spacing.

While I love our team and prospects moving forward, I do get frustrated that we haven't had a rim protector / runner in 5 years. To me, that is a disservice to the team, Green and Amen especially, as I think these types of big men really do take the pressure off of penetrating wings / guards. I would be furious if we give up on Green at some point, and he lands on a team with a traditional big and it opens up the game for him.

Anyway, just my two cents.


Great post.

In this run-and-gun, spam threes environment, there are a bunch of really talented guys that are hard to fit into a working offense and defense.

At one extreme, you have Jokic, who is so supremely talented at what he does that you can build your team philosophy around him and still have title aspirations. At another extreme you have Julius Randle, also very talented, but certainly not worth trying to build around. His style is a hard fit with Edwards, a near perfect fit as a “modern player”, but there Randle is, mucking up driving lanes and turning Ant into a (very willing) high volume shooter.

Sengun is somewhere in-between. Not sure what Houston should do with him. But it’s interesting to think about.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#23 » by Xman » Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:35 pm

Sengun is 22 years old. He works hard in the offseason and has made huge improvements. Looks like he will keep improving. He fits well with Jabari and Amen. Let’s the team play guys with defense and shooting focus.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#24 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:53 pm

I think the Celtics are going to trade Jrue this offseason to get their cap sheet in long term order. I don't think BOS will be able to fix their cap sheet and get back value for him, so I think they'll trade him for expiring salary ballast and attach their own assets to those in follow up deals. I have Eason as someone they'd be interested in.

Let's say they dealt Holiday to LAC for Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks... Celtics could flip Dunn and/or Eubanks to HOU with multiple 1sts attached for Eason. I think he could be a long term starting 4 for them (Tatum/Brown/White slide down from PF/SF/SG to SF/SG/PG) to take Holday's spot in the lineup. They can afford to extend him at $15-20M annually (with a backloaded contract) and still be below the luxury tax in 26-27 (though that may require subsequently salary dumping Hauser in order to re-sign/replace Porzingis).
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#25 » by Frankie » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:25 am

hugepatsfan wrote:I think the Celtics are going to trade Jrue this offseason to get their cap sheet in long term order. I don't think BOS will be able to fix their cap sheet and get back value for him, so I think they'll trade him for expiring salary ballast and attach their own assets to those in follow up deals. I have Eason as someone they'd be interested in.

Let's say they dealt Holiday to LAC for Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks... Celtics could flip Dunn and/or Eubanks to HOU with multiple 1sts attached for Eason. I think he could be a long term starting 4 for them (Tatum/Brown/White slide down from PF/SF/SG to SF/SG/PG) to take Holday's spot in the lineup. They can afford to extend him at $15-20M annually (with a backloaded contract) and still be below the luxury tax in 26-27 (though that may require subsequently salary dumping Hauser in order to re-sign/replace Porzingis).



I don’t see why Houston would accept picks for Eason when they’re a team trying to build themselves into a contender and Eason is a big part of that.

I can see why a team like Celtics would want him, and I think what you propose there is good value for Eason that, in a vacuum, I would consider good, acceptable deal, but in reality, Eason is worth more to us than 2 Boston firsts.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#26 » by LarsV8 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:30 am

Frankie wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:I think the Celtics are going to trade Jrue this offseason to get their cap sheet in long term order. I don't think BOS will be able to fix their cap sheet and get back value for him, so I think they'll trade him for expiring salary ballast and attach their own assets to those in follow up deals. I have Eason as someone they'd be interested in.

Let's say they dealt Holiday to LAC for Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks... Celtics could flip Dunn and/or Eubanks to HOU with multiple 1sts attached for Eason. I think he could be a long term starting 4 for them (Tatum/Brown/White slide down from PF/SF/SG to SF/SG/PG) to take Holday's spot in the lineup. They can afford to extend him at $15-20M annually (with a backloaded contract) and still be below the luxury tax in 26-27 (though that may require subsequently salary dumping Hauser in order to re-sign/replace Porzingis).



I don’t see why Houston would accept picks for Eason when they’re a team trying to build themselves into a contender and Eason is a big part of that.

I can see why a team like Celtics would want him, and I think what you propose there is good value for Eason that, in a vacuum, I would consider good, acceptable deal, but in reality, Eason is worth more to us than 2 Boston firsts.


You won't find a bigger fan of Eason than me, this exercise is just in case the tax burden of all pieces becomes too much for Fertita.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#27 » by SNPA » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:31 am

LightTheBeam wrote:Kings are desperate for an Eason type player.
Devin Carter + a 2 2nds + a 1st?

That'd be my offer from Sac. I can see a world where Keon-Keegan-Eason play around Sabonis as a plus defense. Houston pushes the timeline back with Carter and gets 3 more cheap years + some picks.

Kings would definitely be making offers.

They could put the two firsts from the Fox trade, and absorbing some salary into an TPE, into the deal.

If Fox ends up netting Eason or Smith that’s a win for Monte.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#28 » by One_and_Done » Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:31 am

LarsV8 wrote:Looking into the future and seeing all kinds of luxury cap issues for Houston.

Trying to map out possible paths forward, to cash in on really good players who may not necessary fit (or afford) after consolidation trades, into future draft capital.

So the ask is best offers containing
- expiring's for 2026 and likely trade filler at the minimum matching point (IE reduces salary in 2026)
- draft picks packages for 2026 and beyond.

I don't feel like either is especially valuable. Both are nice players, but flawed. I wouldn't be trying to add these guys to a team I wanted to win a title.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#29 » by Devilanche » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:36 pm

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Astaluego wrote:Eason complements a near-perfect roster for the Thunder.. I think he has some Houston picks, right?? I think they'd easily send a couple of future FRPs for him anyway..the question would be if Houston wants to feed that monster


I don't think Eason compliments OKC at all. They have the best defense in the league, but are too reliant on SGA for scoring.

He brings more defence but at the forward spot. It probably signal OKC moving off Cason and bringing in offense from the guard spot instead.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#30 » by LarsV8 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:19 pm

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LarsV8 wrote:Looking into the future and seeing all kinds of luxury cap issues for Houston.

Trying to map out possible paths forward, to cash in on really good players who may not necessary fit (or afford) after consolidation trades, into future draft capital.

So the ask is best offers containing
- expiring's for 2026 and likely trade filler at the minimum matching point (IE reduces salary in 2026)
- draft picks packages for 2026 and beyond.

I don't feel like either is especially valuable. Both are nice players, but flawed. I wouldn't be trying to add these guys to a team I wanted to win a title.


Disagree, Sengun is somewhat flawed, don't see Eason flawed at all, most contending teams should be crawling over each other to land Eason. Perfect complimentary player.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#31 » by One_and_Done » Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:41 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:Looking into the future and seeing all kinds of luxury cap issues for Houston.

Trying to map out possible paths forward, to cash in on really good players who may not necessary fit (or afford) after consolidation trades, into future draft capital.

So the ask is best offers containing
- expiring's for 2026 and likely trade filler at the minimum matching point (IE reduces salary in 2026)
- draft picks packages for 2026 and beyond.

I don't feel like either is especially valuable. Both are nice players, but flawed. I wouldn't be trying to add these guys to a team I wanted to win a title.


Disagree, Sengun is somewhat flawed, don't see Eason flawed at all, most contending teams should be crawling over each other to land Eason. Perfect complimentary player.

Eason's offense leaves something to be desired.
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Re: Best pick package offers for Sengun or Eason? 

Post#32 » by realball » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:18 am

Would love the Raptors to go and get Sengun. If we land 2-5 in the draft, I'd definitely be offering it for Sengun. Or a package of 1sts if we're out of top 5.

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