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[bstein14]

It really feels that the elite players aren't worth what they used to be on the trade market. How much is a trend and how much is incompetent front offices will be interesting to see over the next 6-8 months.

I think the "SUPER MAX" also makes them a bit less appealing. Making nearly $70 million per year in a Super Max deal now compared to a regular max at $50 million per is a massive difference.

[jars]

It really feels that the elite players aren't worth what they used to be on the trade market. How much is a trend and how much is incompetent front offices will be interesting to see over the next 6-8 months.

I think the "SUPER MAX" also makes them a bit less appealing. Making nearly $70 million per year in a Super Max deal now compared to a regular max at $50 million per is a massive difference.

Yeah, the super max really puts teams at a disadvantage. I think it would even the playing field for small market teams (which is why super max contracts were created) if the salary cap hit of a super max was that of regular max, but the player still gets paid accordingly.
e.g. Beal gets paid his $50mil but it is only $42mil tax hit as that was his regular 'max' number. Maybe something about it rising to the supermax number on the salary cap if traded? Either way, I think the super max doesn't have a positive impact on the NBA in its current interation.

[GreekAlex]

Glad we dodged the Brandon Ingram bullet. $40M per year for a part-time player is rough.

[dVs33]

Killian Hayes is getting a 10 day from the nets and Bojan is getting waived to make room for him.


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[Uncle Mxy]

Killian Hayes is getting a 10 day from the nets and Bojan is getting waived to make room for him.


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Worthy effort, but the Nets are gonna have to try harder to make moves as bad as the Mavs.

[Invictus88]

Killian Hayes is getting a 10 day from the nets and Bojan is getting waived to make room for him.


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Worthy effort, but the Nets are gonna have to try harder to make moves as bad as the Mavs.

The Nets should be tanking. Their 2025 pick is only top 10-protected. This is a great move for them. Subtraction by addition.

[Kalamazoo317]

Assuming he can still shoot as well as he did when he was with us, Bojan could be a nice pick up for a team. He won't defend anything, but good bench scoring.

[Kalamazoo317]

Then I realized he's got season-ending surgery, so nevermind ....

[Cowology]

I feel bad for Mavs fans tonight. Luka out to make a statement.

[tmorgan]

Paolo’s being asked to do way too much for the Magic and frankly, he’s sucking at it. Reminds me a lot of Cade’s first two full seasons, but he’s even less efficient (except he gets calls).

Franz is doing better, but he’s still not a very good shooter past mid-range. Magic may be further away than they thought — never seen a team need a real PG so badly and not do anything about it.

[Kalamazoo317]

Nice that we're now living in a universe where Cade is showing he's better than all of those guys, as well as Barnes, Mobley, and Green, and honestly even challenging Ant's status.

[joedumars1]

I feel bad for Mavs fans tonight. Luka out to make a statement.

So confused on that trade. Definitely makes you (well me at least) is it setup? Like what the ****. 3 first from us might’ve been a better offer. I’m positive they could’ve got 2-3 1st and a stud player. I’m still confused, but we have Cade so I’m good. Pistons have a history of chips too, so Cade bringing one is possible.

[tmorgan]

Nice that we're now living in a universe where Cade is showing he's better than all of those guys, as well as Barnes, Mobley, and Green, and honestly even challenging Ant's status.

Pretty sure the general consensus is that he’s still behind Mobley, but to me that’s just a matter of role and positional preference. Mobley does the things he does at a higher level than Cade overall, but Cade does significantly more things. I certainly wouldn’t make that trade for Detroit, but CLE wouldn’t either.

[Kalamazoo317]

Nice that we're now living in a universe where Cade is showing he's better than all of those guys, as well as Barnes, Mobley, and Green, and honestly even challenging Ant's status.

Pretty sure the general consensus is that he’s still behind Mobley, but to me that’s just a matter of role and positional preference. Mobley does the things he does at a higher level than Cade overall, but Cade does significantly more things. I certainly wouldn’t make that trade for Detroit, but CLE wouldn’t either.

Cleveland might if they didn't have a #1 offensive option anymore. They can afford to like Mobley more because they have someone filling that role. A defensive anchor is great, but in general I think most teams view a number one offensive option and an engine of your offense to be a more valuable piece. Mobley's never going to be the *best player* on a contender. Cade very well should be.

[Cowology]

I feel bad for Mavs fans tonight. Luka out to make a statement.

And now Kyrie done for the season. Ugh...

I know we've had it rough, but we've had a while to get used to it. Those guys just totally had the rug pulled out from under them. What a complete cluster. I mean, Kyrie is probably bolting in the off-season anyway.... but damn. It's like getting pile drived and kicked in the balls at the same time. Friggin brutal. They were in the bloody FINALS last year. wtf

[Snakebites]

The Luka trade is the most baffling move I've seen in my time following basketball.

You DON'T trade guys like that unless they demand out, which we know never happened. And even if you're forced to move them you wait for the best possible package. The Lakers actually negotiated them DOWN from AD, 2 picks, Knect, and Christie by playing up his conditioning and injury concerns.

Kyrie and AD getting hurt is just par for the course- it's why you don't push all in on that duo. Not that the trade would have been acceptable if AD was fully healthy.

[Kalamazoo317]

Cade is becoming Luka-light on offense (with, arguably, better defensive effort). We should remember this if anyone ever mentions wanting to trade him again.

[Invictus88]

Cade is becoming Luka-light on offense (with, arguably, better defensive effort). We should remember this if anyone ever mentions wanting to trade him again.

I don't think remembering or even mentioning the above will have any real impact on those wanting to trade him. For many that ship sailed a while ago and presenting evidence to the contrary is meaningless.

[Invictus88]

The Luka trade is the most baffling move I've seen in my time following basketball.

You DON'T trade guys like that unless they demand out, which we know never happened. And even if you're forced to move them you wait for the best possible package. The Lakers actually negotiated them DOWN from AD, 2 picks, Knect, and Christie by playing up his conditioning and injury concerns.

Kyrie and AD getting hurt is just par for the course- it's why you don't push all in on that duo. Not that the trade would have been acceptable if AD was fully healthy.

Jerry Krause's relationship with Michael Jordan is the only thing I can think of that even comes close. The guy literally was envious of the success and spotlight that Michael was receiving (instead of him) and wanted to go it alone in the worst way; eventually leading to the breakup of a proven championship team.

I won't say there was anything close to this same dynamic in Dallas but pride and envy can make people do really strange and seemingly irrational things...

[Kalamazoo317]

Cade is becoming Luka-light on offense (with, arguably, better defensive effort). We should remember this if anyone ever mentions wanting to trade him again.

I don't think remembering or even mentioning the above will have any real impact on those wanting to trade him. For many that ship sailed a while ago and presenting evidence to the contrary is meaningless.

See above for the "if" in the sentence