2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[MEDIC]

Concern with Tre is that there are a lot of one and done shots. The number of bricks in his last 32 point game is tough to watch

https://youtu.be/DG3_wZtFwnw?si=JZeSl3Gp4PBFd5Z8

Yeah. I get the shot selection issue, but the talent is there. He is only 18 years old. Still a kid.

If you can reign some of it in & find ways to use his talent to create higher % shots, you could have a star on your hands. I also think if you saw him.play for a bigger program like Duke, he would be more of a system player & not have to take on the bulk of the scoring.

The crazy thing is that his %'s are still good even when forcing shots.

I have seen lots of examples of creative passes. I think Darko would be the perfect coach for him in many ways. The system & the coaching philosophy is a great fit.

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Pretty good interview here. Well spoken kid. Lives and breathes the game. Sees himself as a combo guard with scoring & playmaking skills, kind of like SGA & Booker.

[Psubs]

I might not get the whole importance of dribble jumpers. But, here is a list of what some of the top guys look like:

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VJ and Harper are at 25% on dribble jumpers, but I think it doesn't take away from their other skills scoring the ball.

Pretty much all superstars have a dribble jumper. In order to self create you need one or the defender will take away the catch and shoot and then rush back to take away the rim. Having one will lead to more easy baskets and better percentages at the end of the shot/game clock too.

this is precisely why rasheer fleming is overhyped. he's gonna be strictly an off-ball guy and there's no guarantee with his FT% history his C&S accuracy will stick. also a little weaker in ast;to dept than i'd like.

i dont really see any particularly strong freak WS guys. maybe someone surprises at combine. danny wolf if he's really 7'5 WS might be the one if he can develop a ton over next 2-3 years. yaxel lendeborg seems appealing until you see that his dribble j's are all from 2pt land. looking deeper into it danny wolf has taken 29 dribble jumpers from 3 and only 5 from 2 while he's in 82nd percentile in dribble J PPP. given his age he might be the one.

what was offputting to me with danny obviously is the FT% and TOV% but there is actually some potential there to generate volume with his stroke and you need that in order to open up the floor and passing game.

it's a rough year to find gold man.

Rasheer was 1 for 4 from deep in the 1st half and finished 4 for 8. The rest of the team shot 3 for 16 (18.75%) from deep.

Nice stat line of 18 pts (58.3%), 11 rebs, 1 stl and 1 blk

If you view him like Amare Stoudemire / Shawn Marion that can play smallball C then taking him by trading down some spots and nabbing another 1st pick for Condon or Carter Bryant would be sweet.

Maybe his roll is like a Serge Ibaka with more steals but less blocks?

Rasheer Fleming as a junior is ONLY half a year older than Derrik Queen.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Yaxel Lendeborg is really turning it on. At this point he's essentially on the same tier as prospect Mogbo was on paper if you value his shooting markers as something that would make up for Mogbo slightly stronger schedule as senior and whatever he did cleaner. He has taken an incredible jump from last year.

[NotMyKawhi]

Ivisic was awful out there. No thank you.

[NotMyKawhi]

Harper him

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1 game sample against 220th team in drtg

[mdenny]

I wonder if Flagg is destined to have the same ceiling as Scottie. Doesn't excel in any particular facet of the game. What major stat/category do we envision Flagg being top 5 in the league in? He seems more like a jack of all trades type.

If a superstar emerges from this draft....he's probably a guy who is REALLY good at one particular thing.

It wonder if there is something to be said about archetypes. When we talked about Barnes during his amazing rookie season...it was impossible to come up with a player comparison because those closest in style weren't franchise star level players. Ie draymond.

In other words...if you can't come up with a player comparison to a pre-existing or historical star player....they probably won't become star player. Those archetypes exist for a reason....it means that particular STYLE of player has a precedent (or not) in becoming a top 5 player.

So when we say something like "he's kinda like draymond but with potential to be a franchise star....." We should ask "well why hasn't anyone with that style of play become a franchise star before?"

Jalen Green has been pretty disappointing...but we'd all agree that his style/archetype has a clear path and potential to becoming a franchise star. We know what that development arc looks like for that style of player.

[RoteSchroder]

holy crap, Zvon 0-9 from three. Was it due to defensive pressure from Broome? His 3 point % is usually high

I think it might be a good idea to dangle Dick for another 2025 pick or two. We're clogged at SG and we need defense/big men.

Not that I'm giving up on Dick, I think he's still developing.

[Thaddy]

Tre Johnson looks like the best scorer in the draft. Flagg could be developed but he doesn't have any outlier skills on offense. I would even put Johnson ahead of Bailey. Flagg, Johnson, Harper, and Bailey is my new top 4. The Hornets also lost today which means we might get a top 4 pick odds to finish the year.

If we draft Johnson we need to do something about our logjam at the 2. The most likely candidate to get traded between Gradey, Walter, and Agbaji is probably Agbaji, but we need his 3+D. If we go by raw stats and improvement it would probably be Gradey. If we can get a big man prospect for him it would be a good balancing deal.

[Brinbe]

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[Yallbecrazy]

I wonder if Flagg is destined to have the same ceiling as Scottie. Doesn't excel in any particular facet of the game. What major stat/category do we envision Flagg being top 5 in the league in? He seems more like a jack of all trades type.

If a superstar emerges from this draft....he's probably a guy who is REALLY good at one particular thing.

It wonder if there is something to be said about archetypes. When we talked about Barnes during his amazing rookie season...it was impossible to come up with a player comparison because those closest in style weren't franchise star level players. Ie draymond.

In other words...if you can't come up with a player comparison to a pre-existing or historical star player....they probably won't become star player. Those archetypes exist for a reason....it means that particular STYLE of player has a precedent (or not) in becoming a top 5 player.

So when we say something like "he's kinda like draymond but with potential to be a franchise star....." We should ask "well why hasn't anyone with that style of play become a franchise star before?"

Jalen Green has been pretty disappointing...but we'd all agree that his style/archetype has a clear path and potential to becoming a franchise star. We know what that development arc looks like for that style of player.

Flagg excels at everything, someone posted something about off the dribble jumpers and it was a small sample, but he was the best. He is an excellent passer, the best outside defender in the draft.
A comparison for him is Lebron James.

[Los_29]

I wonder if Flagg is destined to have the same ceiling as Scottie. Doesn't excel in any particular facet of the game. What major stat/category do we envision Flagg being top 5 in the league in? He seems more like a jack of all trades type.

If a superstar emerges from this draft....he's probably a guy who is REALLY good at one particular thing.

It wonder if there is something to be said about archetypes. When we talked about Barnes during his amazing rookie season...it was impossible to come up with a player comparison because those closest in style weren't franchise star level players. Ie draymond.

In other words...if you can't come up with a player comparison to a pre-existing or historical star player....they probably won't become star player. Those archetypes exist for a reason....it means that particular STYLE of player has a precedent (or not) in becoming a top 5 player.

So when we say something like "he's kinda like draymond but with potential to be a franchise star....." We should ask "well why hasn't anyone with that style of play become a franchise star before?"

Jalen Green has been pretty disappointing...but we'd all agree that his style/archetype has a clear path and potential to becoming a franchise star. We know what that development arc looks like for that style of player.

Flagg excels at everything, someone posted something about off the dribble jumpers and it was a small sample, but he was the best. He is an excellent passer, the best outside defender in the draft.
A comparison for him is Lebron James.

Couple tiers below a guy like Lebron. Doesn’t have the court vision and the athleticism that Lebron had. Flagg is a great prospect though.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I wonder if Flagg is destined to have the same ceiling as Scottie. Doesn't excel in any particular facet of the game. What major stat/category do we envision Flagg being top 5 in the league in? He seems more like a jack of all trades type.

If a superstar emerges from this draft....he's probably a guy who is REALLY good at one particular thing.

It wonder if there is something to be said about archetypes. When we talked about Barnes during his amazing rookie season...it was impossible to come up with a player comparison because those closest in style weren't franchise star level players. Ie draymond.

In other words...if you can't come up with a player comparison to a pre-existing or historical star player....they probably won't become star player. Those archetypes exist for a reason....it means that particular STYLE of player has a precedent (or not) in becoming a top 5 player.

So when we say something like "he's kinda like draymond but with potential to be a franchise star....." We should ask "well why hasn't anyone with that style of play become a franchise star before?"

Jalen Green has been pretty disappointing...but we'd all agree that his style/archetype has a clear path and potential to becoming a franchise star. We know what that development arc looks like for that style of player.

Flagg excels at everything, someone posted something about off the dribble jumpers and it was a small sample, but he was the best. He is an excellent passer, the best outside defender in the draft.
A comparison for him is Lebron James.

It's more like he has the floor of Scottie.

[ATLTimekeeper]

i actually found a guy who had a nonexistent dribble jumper in college who produces like mcneeley -

kyle kuzma

now kuzma's shooting splits suck but in part the reason for this is because while he added dribble j volume to his game, he never actually became competent at it. in part because he was never actually good at it in the first place.

I might not get the whole importance of dribble jumpers. But, here is a list of what some of the top guys look like:

Read on Twitter

VJ and Harper are at 25% on dribble jumpers, but I think it doesn't take away from their other skills scoring the ball.

For me, % is less important in this chart and volume is more important. It gives you a sense of who has the ability/talent to create their own shots. It's especially important from 3, as that is where you're going to have the most impact on manipulating the opposing defense.

Flagg's 40% from 3 is less valuable because he clearly can't create that shot with confidence. Dylan Harper's volume is more valuable in that context.

[Psubs]

holy crap, Zvon 0-9 from three. Was it due to defensive pressure from Broome? His 3 point % is usually high

I think it might be a good idea to dangle Dick for another 2025 pick or two. We're clogged at SG and we need defense/big men.

Not that I'm giving up on Dick, I think he's still developing.

He had 1 really off night or else they would've beaten the #1 team in Auburn without Boogie Fland.

Z actually got 8 rebounds , 2 steals and 3 blocks. Portland 2nd pick or another one would be fine to draft him as a project. He's like 7'2 Chris Boucher.

[Jerry Lucas]

I wonder if Flagg is destined to have the same ceiling as Scottie. Doesn't excel in any particular facet of the game. What major stat/category do we envision Flagg being top 5 in the league in? He seems more like a jack of all trades type.

If a superstar emerges from this draft....he's probably a guy who is REALLY good at one particular thing.

It wonder if there is something to be said about archetypes. When we talked about Barnes during his amazing rookie season...it was impossible to come up with a player comparison because those closest in style weren't franchise star level players. Ie draymond.

In other words...if you can't come up with a player comparison to a pre-existing or historical star player....they probably won't become star player. Those archetypes exist for a reason....it means that particular STYLE of player has a precedent (or not) in becoming a top 5 player.

So when we say something like "he's kinda like draymond but with potential to be a franchise star....." We should ask "well why hasn't anyone with that style of play become a franchise star before?"

Jalen Green has been pretty disappointing...but we'd all agree that his style/archetype has a clear path and potential to becoming a franchise star. We know what that development arc looks like for that style of player.

Flagg excels at everything, someone posted something about off the dribble jumpers and it was a small sample, but he was the best. He is an excellent passer, the best outside defender in the draft.
A comparison for him is Lebron James.

Couple tiers below a guy like Lebron. Doesn’t have the court vision and the athleticism that Lebron had. Flagg is a great prospect though.

Don't speak to Yallbecrazy as if you know more, Los. Check yourself. Yallbecrazy is one of the most insightful draft posters on this board.

[Los_29]

Flagg excels at everything, someone posted something about off the dribble jumpers and it was a small sample, but he was the best. He is an excellent passer, the best outside defender in the draft.
A comparison for him is Lebron James.

Couple tiers below a guy like Lebron. Doesn’t have the court vision and the athleticism that Lebron had. Flagg is a great prospect though.

Don't speak to Yallbecrazy as if you know more, Los. Check yourself. Yallbecrazy is one of the most insightful draft posters on this board.

Lebron is one of the greatest players to ever play this game.

[Jerry Lucas]

Couple tiers below a guy like Lebron. Doesn’t have the court vision and the athleticism that Lebron had. Flagg is a great prospect though.

Don't speak to Yallbecrazy as if you know more, Los. Check yourself. Yallbecrazy is one of the most insightful draft posters on this board.

Lebron is one of the greatest players to ever play this game.

Wow Los, you really need to learn what the difference is between a play-style comparison, and a trajectory comparison.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I still wouldn't compare anyone to LeBron. Zion was a better prospect than Flagg. It's really a moonshot to start out like LeBron's hype level and match it. I've watched basketball since the late 80s, and only Shaq and Tim Duncan truly lived up to the hype in terms of career success.

[Psubs]

Flagg is like a taller Karl Malone thus more blocks. Likely shoots the 3 more instead of the foul line jumper. Karl played 3 years at Louisiana Tech.

Though he likely won't have a John Stockton to feed him.