Jeff Schwartz via Shams: Los Angeles Lakers should not have failed Mark Williams on his physical

Hitman88 · Post #1 » by **Hitman88** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:15 pm

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WestGOAT · Post #2 » by **WestGOAT** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:17 pm

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KyRo23 · Post #3 » by **KyRo23** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:17 pm

Not sure what to do with this information. Why? What did the other doctors see? What did the Lakers see?

There is literally no information, I'm not sure what we are to gather from Shams here

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:23 pm

sorry but you can be some national big shot doctor, but if you haven't examined the patient your opinion has no real merit. And none of those doctors would put their name to said opinion without having examined him.

This is meaningless PR.

ForeverTFC · Post #5 » by **ForeverTFC** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:32 pm

This is his agent doing damage control.

Woodsanity · Post #6 » by **Woodsanity** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:34 pm

They wouldn't fail him without reason. He is damaged goods most likely.

Liam_Gallagher · Post #7 » by **Liam_Gallagher** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:34 pm

It was probably cold feet. The Lakers probably heard the stat "Mark Williams has only played in 38% of his career games" and got scared....after they made the trade.

EmpireFalls · Post #8 » by **EmpireFalls** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:39 pm

I think the confusing part of this is people think failed physical is some black and white thing like a math test. Obviously the human body is much more complex. You can be fully fit to play today, but have risk factors that a team isn’t comfortable with long term

Lakers invested a lot of assets in Mark and wanted to be certain that they could rely on him long term. Whatever the results were, they didn’t feel 100% confident in that. It’s unfair to Mark, who is currently fine and playing well, but it’s business and fully within the rules to do that.

KyRo23 · Post #9 » by **KyRo23** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:45 pm

I find it hilarious that phsyicals are a thing that teams almost always do to confirm a trade is good for both teams... and the few times that they do fail or a trade is cancelled people think it's a conspiracy :lol:

They wouldn't do them at all if there wasn't a chance at failure. I don't know why people can't grasp that

phanman · Post #10 » by **phanman** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:45 pm

I mean of course his agent would say that and kudos to him for sticking up for his client. This type of assessment is incredibly damaging when it comes time to negotiate his next contract. In the same vain, the Lakers are also were well within their means to fail him because they were given all of his medical information to make the decision.

Honestly it just sucks all around, but given how badly the team needed a center with his massive physical frame + athleticism, I don't think the were maliciously trying to find a way out of the deal. They now have to rely on Hayes as their full time center with the undersized Hachimura playing backup.

tamaraw08 · Post #11 » by **tamaraw08** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:47 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:It was probably cold feet. The Lakers probably heard the stat "Mark Williams has only played in 38% of his career games" and got scared....after they made the trade.

According to Lakers Radio play by play guy John Ireland, also host of the Mason & Ireland show at ESPNLA radio, Lakers have at least 3 doctors who made the final decision.
They also probably read the MRI results reported by a reputable Radiologist and saw something disturbing. Also note that this team also endured having an injury prone Andrew Bynum before and paid dearly for it.

Yoshun · Post #12 » by **Yoshun** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:sorry but you can be some national big shot doctor, but if you haven't examined the patient your opinion has no real merit. And none of those doctors would put their name to said opinion without having examined him.

This is meaningless PR.

This was my thought too. Assuming this is even true, I hate when treatment professionals (doctors, therapists, etc..) do this.

If you haven't seen the person, keep your mouth shut.

If you have seen the person, keep your mouth shut.

Just keep your mouth shut.

Mamba Mentality · Post #13 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:08 pm

So nothing confirmed here just as agent doing his job. Cool.

Blame Rasho · Post #14 » by **Blame Rasho** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:19 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:sorry but you can be some national big shot doctor, but if you haven't examined the patient your opinion has no real merit. And none of those doctors would put their name to said opinion without having examined him.

This is meaningless PR.

No kidding.

It is very unbecoming to say something like this.

ItsDanger · Post #15 » by **ItsDanger** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:22 pm

This is why you should always get a second opinion.

Post #16 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:23 pm

Damage control incoming.

Hornet Mania · Post #17 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:24 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:sorry but you can be some national big shot doctor, but if you haven't examined the patient your opinion has no real merit. And none of those doctors would put their name to said opinion without having examined him.

This is meaningless PR.

How do you know the docs Schwartz mentions didn't examine the same medicals? Why wouldn't they?

It's also possible the agent is talking his book, of course, but hard to say either way from our vantage point.

Edit: For the record I have no issue with LAL failing Mark on his physical. You can do that for any reason, and even be wrong (Thunder failed Tyson Chandler who went on to win a title with the Mavs and win DPOY), it's all within the rules.

TheGeneral99 · Post #18 » by **TheGeneral99** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:36 pm

I mean this isn't controversial.

He's a very talented player who has been riddled by injuries his entire career so far and they determined in the long-term he's a huge liability.

He missed 60 games last year and has already missed half of this season.

The Lakers probably determined he likely would be riddled by injuries for the rest of his career based on what they found out.

Trey24 · Post #19 » by **Trey24** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:38 pm

I am so shocked that the Lakers got cold feet and screwed over Mark Williams and the Hornets in the process. I was told by realgm haters that the Hornets were the ones that screwed the Lakers over here.

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Post #20 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:38 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:sorry but you can be some national big shot doctor, but if you haven't examined the patient your opinion has no real merit. And none of those doctors would put their name to said opinion without having examined him.

This is meaningless PR.

How do you know the docs Schwartz mentions didn't examine the same medicals? Why wouldn't they?

It's also possible the agent is talking his book, of course, but hard to say either way from our vantage point.

Edit: For the record I have no issue with LAL failing Mark on his physical. You can do that for any reason, and even be wrong (Thunder failed Tyson Chandler who went on to win a title with the Mavs and win DPOY), it's all within the rules.

We don’t know. We do know however that he didn’t examine Williams himself.

That’s not the same thing.