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Post#101 » by AtheJ415 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:29 am

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KLEON wrote:This team can't even play basic defense


We choose to play the worst defensive C we have, and our stars play 0 defense. KD and Book's effort on that end is disgusting. Beal and Allen at least attempt to play D. Tyus can't. Royce is mediocre, and that is why we need Dunn so badly because he is the ony ne who is good and plays hard.

But Book and KD have the ability to be decent defenders. They just don't care to.



I cant hate Beal.... he tries and he is happy to be 3rd fiddle without complaining.


Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.
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Post#102 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:29 am

Iceman36 wrote:Just ridiculous. Thank you Mat!

Im out for the season now, wake me up, when this nightmare is over! Maybe in 10 years…


I’ll hit you up in 2035 when we win #1 overall pick.
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Re: Game 55: Phoenix Suns (26-28) @ Austin vs San Antonio Spurs (23-29) | Feb 20 | 7:30PM 

Post#103 » by thamadkant » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:41 am

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We choose to play the worst defensive C we have, and our stars play 0 defense. KD and Book's effort on that end is disgusting. Beal and Allen at least attempt to play D. Tyus can't. Royce is mediocre, and that is why we need Dunn so badly because he is the ony ne who is good and plays hard.

But Book and KD have the ability to be decent defenders. They just don't care to.



I cant hate Beal.... he tries and he is happy to be 3rd fiddle without complaining.


Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.


I know.

Most here probably know, I was never a believer in Booker. I always saw him as being coddled and mentioned as better than Nash and Barkley as a suns player, but far from it. He was always a glorified Kevin Martin in my book, who was good looking and had a pretty jump shot so he got popular. But I absolutely cringe at the though Booker being better than Nash as Suns GOAT player. Such BS.

The 2021 Finals run was as much on CP3, Ayton and the twins, yet fans credited Booker a lot more than he should have.

Well, its finally time.. Booker had his chance to prove me wrong and failed. Suns need to get out of this awful era ASAP.

Ishiba is a fool if he holds on. Imagine a terrible depressing hopeless Suns decade 2 years into the new stadium... Fans have nothing to look forward to.

Rebuild now and salvage the next 5-6 years.
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Post#104 » by bullsaficianado » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:55 am

Hats off to Spurs they wanted the game more than us after the Wemby news.
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Post#105 » by AtheJ415 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:59 am

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I cant hate Beal.... he tries and he is happy to be 3rd fiddle without complaining.


Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.


I know.

Most here probably know, I was never a believer in Booker. I always saw him as being coddled and mentioned as better than Nash and Barkley as a suns player, but far from it. He was always a glorified Kevin Martin in my book, who was good looking and had a pretty jump shot so he got popular. But I absolutely cringe at the though Booker being better than Nash as Suns GOAT player. Such BS.

The 2021 Finals run was as much on CP3, Ayton and the twins, yet fans credited Booker a lot more than he should have.

Well, its finally time.. Booker had his chance to prove me wrong and failed. Suns need to get out of this awful era ASAP.

Ishiba is a fool if he holds on. Imagine a terrible depressing hopeless Suns decade 2 years into the new stadium... Fans have nothing to look forward to.

Rebuild now and salvage the next 5-6 years.


Nah. Book was legit before KD. He was firey, talked **** to everybody. He had drive. He playmakes and creates offense at an elite level, and he improved his D to be average. That was under CP3's leadership. Book was not this unfocused and checked out before KD. He has been much close to James Harden than he has Kevin Martin. If we had CP3 still instead of KD, Book would be better right now. There's a reasn all these stars want to play with him. But he has changed since KD arrived and it's awful.
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Post#106 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:01 am

bullsaficianado wrote:Hats off to Spurs they wanted the game more than us after the Wemby news.


They are a great, well balanced team. Even without Pop they play discipline basketball with CP3 as their leader. He’s an amazing player and I love him very much. But I’m not in love with him there’s a huge difference.
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Post#107 » by bullsaficianado » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:26 am

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bullsaficianado wrote:Hats off to Spurs they wanted the game more than us after the Wemby news.


They are a great, well balanced team. Even without Pop they play discipline basketball with CP3 as their leader. He’s an amazing player and I love him very much. But I’m not in love with him there’s a huge difference.


I get it. They should have tried to get Valančiūnas from Wizards before the Kings could as a Wemby backup. Biyombo though played very well for them.
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Post#108 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:06 am

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Iceman36 wrote:Just ridiculous. Thank you Mat!

Im out for the season now, wake me up, when this nightmare is over! Maybe in 10 years…


I’ll hit you up in 2035 when we win #1 overall pick.


He will definitely trade it as fast as he can for a 35-year-old Morant or a 36-year-old Shai! He's the worst kind of owner! A rich compulsive narcissist who would rather burn everything to the ground before admitting he was wrong and actually taking accountability! Calvin Klein was right when he identified Ishbia as our very own real-life Kendall Roy! (from Succession). :-?

And to me, he's the coked-out reincarnation of Ted Stepien only worse because he's so compulsively delusional that he just can't stop compounding his egregious decisions because he has no impulse control whatsoever. It's a shame because I really wanted to like him and cheer him on as an owner too! But these horrifically negligent decisions are just indefensible!
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Post#109 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:10 am

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Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.


I know.

Most here probably know, I was never a believer in Booker. I always saw him as being coddled and mentioned as better than Nash and Barkley as a suns player, but far from it. He was always a glorified Kevin Martin in my book, who was good looking and had a pretty jump shot so he got popular. But I absolutely cringe at the though Booker being better than Nash as Suns GOAT player. Such BS.

The 2021 Finals run was as much on CP3, Ayton and the twins, yet fans credited Booker a lot more than he should have.

Well, its finally time.. Booker had his chance to prove me wrong and failed. Suns need to get out of this awful era ASAP.

Ishiba is a fool if he holds on. Imagine a terrible depressing hopeless Suns decade 2 years into the new stadium... Fans have nothing to look forward to.

Rebuild now and salvage the next 5-6 years.


Nah. Book was legit before KD. He was firey, talked **** to everybody. He had drive. He playmakes and creates offense at an elite level, and he improved his D to be average. That was under CP3's leadership. Book was not this unfocused and checked out before KD. He has been much close to James Harden than he has Kevin Martin. If we had CP3 still instead of KD, Book would be better right now. There's a reasn all these stars want to play with him. But he has changed since KD arrived and it's awful.

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Post#110 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:15 am

bullsaficianado wrote:Hats off to Spurs they wanted the game more than us after the Wemby news.


But honestly that's like 98% of the teams that play us! And this has been the case with us for multiple seasons now at least since 2022. Our culture is broken! This is why it's so critically important to GET ALL OF OUR FIRSTS BACK!!! or at least all the ones from Houston,so we can tear it all down and properly rebuild from the foundation itself because our current foundation is as flimsy as tissue paper!! :dontknow:
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Post#111 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:37 am

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Saberestar wrote:Book misses a 3.
KD misses a 3.
Book misses a 3.


Get another hobby, Saber, you're starting to sound like all of us. :lol:

LOL

This was a beautiful opportunity to make a push but we missed badly and the season is basically over. ****.


And all the while, Houstons' lottery pick from us this summer just keeps climbing! By the time the season is over it could easily end up as a top 3 pick. Just asinine that we'd continue to sit on KD and Booker spending the most money in NBA history on a lottery team while giving up our lottery picks for the next 7 years to other teams and accomplishing nothing aside from historically embarrassing ourselves and giving up value for the privilege.

It's like paying someone to take you outside each day and kick you in the balls as hard as they can and then pizz on you. Just to add insult to injury. :crazy:
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Post#112 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:44 am

Frank Lee wrote:And those draft picks and swaps increase in value….

We are destined to draw a top 3 lotto this year just to cherry on top this shttt sundae we’ve been served.


But rest assured (according to Ishbia) that 29 other teams are lining up for that Sh** sundae because everyone wants our situation! Really though, someone should tell Ishbia.....................................................................
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Post#114 » by Saberestar » Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:09 am

thamadkant wrote:
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I cant hate Beal.... he tries and he is happy to be 3rd fiddle without complaining.


Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.


I know.

Most here probably know, I was never a believer in Booker. I always saw him as being coddled and mentioned as better than Nash and Barkley as a suns player, but far from it. He was always a glorified Kevin Martin in my book, who was good looking and had a pretty jump shot so he got popular. But I absolutely cringe at the though Booker being better than Nash as Suns GOAT player. Such BS.

The 2021 Finals run was as much on CP3, Ayton and the twins, yet fans credited Booker a lot more than he should have.

Well, its finally time.. Booker had his chance to prove me wrong and failed. Suns need to get out of this awful era ASAP.

Ishiba is a fool if he holds on. Imagine a terrible depressing hopeless Suns decade 2 years into the new stadium... Fans have nothing to look forward to.

Rebuild now and salvage the next 5-6 years.

Booker is who he is and I think it's crazy to call him Best Suns Ever or something like that.

He has been and is a great SG who can score 25 points per game but lacks the intangibles, the all-around game and elite IQ or physical attributes to put him on the highest level. 4×All-Star but never in the MVP conversation.

If he doesn't make the All-Star game again I wouldn't be surprised. He would have a similar career to Bradley Beal (3xAS), Mitch Richmond (6xAS) or Allan Houston (2×AS). None of them won a Championship.

All of them great players but never considered Top 5 players in their primes like Barkley or Nash.

And Book doesn't touch KD or CP3 neither. Both have been better than him on the Suns even at their old age.

All in all what I want to say is that I consider Book better than Kevin Martin but I think Suns fans (me included) have overrated him as a player because we expected and hoped that he would have grown as a overall player a bit more but it seems that he peaked already a couple years ago.

He didn't improve more and he lacks intangibles. I would try to trade him for a good package in the summer. We will see.
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Post#115 » by mkot » Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:33 am

I see many people here point to KD for Book's regression as a player and leader of this team, but I swear I started doubting him since that video came out where he was upset about being double teamed in open gym. I immediately was thinking about another Kentucky guard Jamal Murray, who said getting double teamed or blitzed is a great opportunity to learn the game so he can see different passing angles and improve the timing.

Nothing is easy in today's NBA, guys are going to come at him and make his life miserable every night, and unfortunately for him, and for us, he is not up for the challenge most nights.
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Post#116 » by Calvin Klein » Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:16 am

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Nah. Book was legit before KD. He was firey, talked **** to everybody. He had drive. He playmakes and creates offense at an elite level, and he improved his D to be average. That was under CP3's leadership. Book was not this unfocused and checked out before KD. He has been much close to James Harden than he has Kevin Martin. If we had CP3 still instead of KD, Book would be better right now. There's a reasn all these stars want to play with him. But he has changed since KD arrived and it's awful.

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So much.

I've said it since the beginning. Book's infatuation with KD doomed him.

And Mat Ishbia destroyed the franchise on day one.


But hey.... It's KEVIN DURANTTT!!! And he's spending money!!!


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Post#117 » by schnakenpopanz » Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:22 pm

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Post#118 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:04 pm

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We choose to play the worst defensive C we have, and our stars play 0 defense. KD and Book's effort on that end is disgusting. Beal and Allen at least attempt to play D. Tyus can't. Royce is mediocre, and that is why we need Dunn so badly because he is the ony ne who is good and plays hard.

But Book and KD have the ability to be decent defenders. They just don't care to.



I cant hate Beal.... he tries and he is happy to be 3rd fiddle without complaining.


Beal is the scapegoat because fans don't want to blame KD or Book because they usually shoot well. That matters, but the rest of their game is lazy, unfocused horse ****. An epedemic of turnovers, terrible rebounding, etc. Beal got 9 rebunds today and he's a foot shorter than KD.

The problem isn't Beal, despite him being an imperfect fit. It's KD and Book.



If CP was still on this roster I don't think he'll allow KD and Book to get away with this sort of lackadaisical effort.
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Post#119 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:10 pm

Glad I didn't watch this one. Was thinking about it, but it being local, and on national television, on channels I don't have, I would have had to watch some crappy stream.

But I checked the gamecast on my phone on and off.

It appears just from box score, that KD played pretty well as usual, Beal had a very solid game, and I'm sure tried harder than the other stars on D, based on the rest of the season, and Book was pretty bad.

Looks like Royce may have really made the difference in keeping us in the game, because you need one role player to step up other than a couple of the big names.

But even though it appears Beal had a very nice game, it will only take a couple days, or maybe a day, for everyone everywhere to say all the blame lies with Beal. It's like they don't want to remember what they saw a couple days later every game. Of course he's had some bad games and is the third wheel so isn't taking the shots or putting up the #s he used to do, but we've seen him twist some ankles, try to get to the rim more than the others, etc, so he hasn't regressed too much and his points per shot are pretty much in line with his career #s.
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Post#120 » by Puff » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:15 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Glad I didn't watch this one. Was thinking about it, but it being local, and on national television, on channels I don't have, I would have had to watch some crappy stream.

But I checked the gamecast on my phone on and off.

It appears just from box score, that KD played pretty well as usual, Beal had a very solid game, and I'm sure tried harder than the other stars on D, based on the rest of the season, and Book was pretty bad.

Looks like Royce may have really made the difference in keeping us in the game, because you need one role player to step up other than a couple of the big names.

But even though it appears Beal had a very nice game, it will only take a couple days, or maybe a day, for everyone everywhere to say all the blame lies with Beal. It's like they don't want to remember what they saw a couple days later every game. Of course he's had some bad games and is the third wheel so isn't taking the shots or putting up the #s he used to do, but we've seen him twist some ankles, try to get to the rim more than the others, etc, so he hasn't regressed too much and his points per shot are pretty much in line with his career #s.


Please watch the games prior to defending Beal. The box score is only part of the story. Beal was not good either. Yeah, he made some good plays but made many really dumb plays as well. He is not a $50 million player.

If we continue to play this way the rest of the year we are not going to get any worthwhile return for KD or Booker.

The talent level of this team is better than it is playing. I really put and have put the blame on Bud. He is the one than has caused the "TOXIC" locker room. There is just not joy watching these guys play. They are all just a bunch of mercenaries trying to support the 3 "STARS". They ain't "STARS".

If anyone thinks we are going to get anything for Allen you are crazy.

Why didn't Dunn play? He wasn't on the injury report.

Why did we hire Bud and make Fizdale his chief assistant?

This team is only going to get worse. Some were happy that we got rid of Monty, Chris and Ayton? What were you thinking and how do you think those moves have worked out?

We blame Ish for making poor trades, but his selection of coaches has been even worse.

We thought Sarver was bad, but his replacement has been worse.

Ish has destroyed every facet of this franchise. I hope the season ticket holders make him accountable for his poor decisions. It is utterly amazing of how many he has made. What good decisions has he made other than a $2 hot dog and free local TV?
      "Oh I wish the days of Monty and CP3, or the days of Mike and Steve Nash were here instead of this mess. Ish please go away! .:crazy:

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