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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#621 » by 165bows » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:46 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Couple things on Kam Jones
1. Measurements will be key, listed at 6-5, some say he’s not close to 6-5… so we’ll see on that
2. The shooting, he’s shooting 32% on threes this year and 68% from the line. He was better from 3 previous years but his career at Marquette is 68% from the line (154/226). How good a shooter is he if he’s under 70% from the line? I guess JB has had some elite shooting-from-midrange seasons and still shot under 70% from the stripe but that’s pretty rare. You’d like a 2guard to be >80% from the line.

I like Kam Jones, love the assists … but if he’s a <35% from 3 and <70% from FT and not elite defensively… how is he a plus NBA player?

I listened to that little section of the video, they did reference his c+s numbers are much better. Sort of a Brogdon like player, where his size is solid at the one and not great at the two but he can still play off ball.

The FT percentages are a little weird for a guy that’s as offensively versatile as he is. But as far as I can tell he’s a high level inside the arc guy with high end ast and to numbers (esp this year where he’s been elite) who can take lots of threes at an avg efficiency.

That’s why I think if Boston takes him it’s w the idea of making him a pg.
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Post#622 » by Hal14 » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:41 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Couple things on Kam Jones
1. Measurements will be key, listed at 6-5, some say he’s not close to 6-5… so we’ll see on that
2. The shooting, he’s shooting 32% on threes this year and 68% from the line. He was better from 3 previous years but his career at Marquette is 68% from the line (154/226). How good a shooter is he if he’s under 70% from the line? I guess JB has had some elite shooting-from-midrange seasons and still shot under 70% from the stripe but that’s pretty rare. You’d like a 2guard to be >80% from the line.

I like Kam Jones, love the assists … but if he’s a <35% from 3 and <70% from FT and not elite defensively… how is he a plus NBA player?

1) I'm pretty sure Kam is about 6'4". I know Marquette lists him at 6'5" but a lot of times, colleges give some of their guys an extra inch or 2 to try and make them look better for pro scouts. We'll find out for sure at the combine, though

2) The FT% for Kam is kind of a concern but it's not a major one. Horford wasn't a good FT shooter in college, neither was JB. Meanwhile Jaden Springer shot over 80% FT in college and look how he's shot in the NBA from 3.

Wrote an article here that dives deeper into this:
https://the-center-hub.com/2025/02/08/shooting-projection-101/

3) Keep in mind, with Kolek and Ighodaro now in the NBA, Kam is having to really run the Marquette offense now. A large chunk of his 3PA are off the dribble, self created looks. Opposing teams gameplan around stopping him, they put their best defender on him..all stuff that has to be factored in. The previous 3 seasons when he had a higher 3 FG%, he was playing off ball more, playing more of a supporting role..so he had more open looks, more of his looks were catch and shoot which are easier to make than off the dribble jumpers.

If he was on the celtics, of course he would have more of an off ball role..it would be more like his role during the previous 3 seasons at Marquette.

4) What really makes Kam special imo is his ball handling, driving ability..ability to carve out space, get o to the rim and finish their. He doesn't have the most burst, but he's extremely skilled and crafty. He'll keep the dribble alive with those Steve Nash type dribble moves. He'll manipulate the defense. Make scoop shots under the basket, etc. One stat that I keep track of for a lot of prospects (i calculate it for prospects in this current draft class but also calculate it to prospects from draft classes going all the way back to 2010 to see how they compare to those previous prospects) is Unassisted FG at Rim / 40 mins. So unassisted of course means they created that shot themself..it wasn't just some easy shot where they caught the ball and laid it in. And being able to make lots of unassisted shots at the rim indicates the player can pressure the rim, finish at the rim, and create shots for themself that are high % looks right at the basket..rather than being a Hauser type who is just limited to shooting 3's.

Out of all players I've calculated this stat for, no guard has ever put up a higher Unassisted FG at Rim / 40 MIns than Kam JOnes has this season. Including forwards, the only one who's had a higher mark is Zion Williamson. Now to be fair, most of the prospects I've looked this up for have been freshman. Typically, guards/wings who are really good, they're in the NBA after 1 or 2 seasons. I'm sure that some of these guys like Ja Morant for example would probably be at or above Kam's mark if they stayed in college till they were 23. But still, Kam is elite at handling the ball, driving, getting paint touches and scoring at the rim. His playmaking for others is very good. And the shooting is good too.

His defense is ok..not great but not bad either, imo.

He's certainly a guy to keep an eye on for us in the late 1st, early 2nd round range.
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Post#623 » by 165bows » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:27 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Couple things on Kam Jones
1. Measurements will be key, listed at 6-5, some say he’s not close to 6-5… so we’ll see on that
2. The shooting, he’s shooting 32% on threes this year and 68% from the line. He was better from 3 previous years but his career at Marquette is 68% from the line (154/226). How good a shooter is he if he’s under 70% from the line? I guess JB has had some elite shooting-from-midrange seasons and still shot under 70% from the stripe but that’s pretty rare. You’d like a 2guard to be >80% from the line.

I like Kam Jones, love the assists … but if he’s a <35% from 3 and <70% from FT and not elite defensively… how is he a plus NBA player?

1) I'm pretty sure Kam is about 6'4". I know Marquette lists him at 6'5" but a lot of times, colleges give some of their guys an extra inch or 2 to try and make them look better for pro scouts. We'll find out for sure at the combine, though

2) The FT% for Kam is kind of a concern but it's not a major one. Horford wasn't a good FT shooter in college, neither was JB. Meanwhile Jaden Springer shot over 80% FT in college and look how he's shot in the NBA from 3.

Wrote an article here that dives deeper into this:
https://the-center-hub.com/2025/02/08/shooting-projection-101/

3) Keep in mind, with Kolek and Ighodaro now in the NBA, Kam is having to really run the Marquette offense now. A large chunk of his 3PA are off the dribble, self created looks. Opposing teams gameplan around stopping him, they put their best defender on him..all stuff that has to be factored in. The previous 3 seasons when he had a higher 3 FG%, he was playing off ball more, playing more of a supporting role..so he had more open looks, more of his looks were catch and shoot which are easier to make than off the dribble jumpers.

If he was on the celtics, of course he would have more of an off ball role..it would be more like his role during the previous 3 seasons at Marquette.

4) What really makes Kam special imo is his ball handling, driving ability..ability to carve out space, get o to the rim and finish their. He doesn't have the most burst, but he's extremely skilled and crafty. He'll keep the dribble alive with those Steve Nash type dribble moves. He'll manipulate the defense. Make scoop shots under the basket, etc. One stat that I keep track of for a lot of prospects (i calculate it for prospects in this current draft class but also calculate it to prospects from draft classes going all the way back to 2010 to see how they compare to those previous prospects) is Unassisted FG at Rim / 40 mins. So unassisted of course means they created that shot themself..it wasn't just some easy shot where they caught the ball and laid it in. And being able to make lots of unassisted shots at the rim indicates the player can pressure the rim, finish at the rim, and create shots for themself that are high % looks right at the basket..rather than being a Hauser type who is just limited to shooting 3's.

Out of all players I've calculated this stat for, no guard has ever put up a higher Unassisted FG at Rim / 40 MIns than Kam JOnes has this season. Including forwards, the only one who's had a higher mark is Zion Williamson. Now to be fair, most of the prospects I've looked this up for have been freshman. Typically, guards/wings who are really good, they're in the NBA after 1 or 2 seasons. I'm sure that some of these guys like Ja Morant for example would probably be at or above Kam's mark if they stayed in college till they were 23. But still, Kam is elite at handling the ball, driving, getting paint touches and scoring at the rim. His playmaking for others is very good. And the shooting is good too.

His defense is ok..not great but not bad either, imo.

He's certainly a guy to keep an eye on for us in the late 1st, early 2nd round range.

Interesting stuff here and as we talked about above, a less-specific but decent proxy for this is just looking at 2PT FGs and 2PT FG%. He's a career .593 2PTFG% guy on almost 5 makes per 40 mins, that doesn't happen with a lot of mid-range jumpers. Guy has a very long history of being able to score inside the arc and he's decent outside of it, with an elite AST:TO profile for a two guard.

So I agree he'd definitely be in the mix for me with the idea of turning him into a ball handler long term.
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Post#624 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:03 am

Anybody high on any sleepers, like if we acquired a late 2nd pick in the 50s or to offer an undrafted FA a 2-way?

I’m really intrigued by Dailyn Swain, 6-6 swingman from Xavier who doesn’t shoot the 3-ball at all but is elite 2pt finishing, free throw rate, FT%, steals, and assist/to. Just a guy who would be way higher if he shot 3s but is way too low as a Shanden Anderson/Marquis Daniels-type wing. And he may learn shoot threes down the line, +80% from the line. And his player archetype is so out of favor right now, he is extremely undervalued.
And then Jacksen Moni is a skilled 6-10 PF at North Dakota St. (The rare black dude who grew up in the Dakotas). He shoots it, passes it and is flirting with 50-40-90 but the bounce and the defense isn’t there. Noceilingsnba.com just profiled him and compared him to Dean Wade on the Cavs.

Two guys I’d be interested to have in Maine next year. Also maybe Arthur Kaluma at Texas could develop into something because of 6-7, 225 wing size and he’s shooting it this year (though he’s had some knee issues).

Anybody have any deep sleepers they like?
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Post#625 » by shackles10 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:44 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Anybody high on any sleepers, like if we acquired a late 2nd pick in the 50s or to offer an undrafted FA a 2-way?

I’m really intrigued by Dailyn Swain, 6-6 swingman from Xavier who doesn’t shoot the 3-ball at all but is elite 2pt finishing, free throw rate, FT%, steals, and assist/to. Just a guy who would be way higher if he shot 3s but is way too low as a Shanden Anderson/Marquis Daniels-type wing. And he may learn shoot threes down the line, +80% from the line. And his player archetype is so out of favor right now, he is extremely undervalued.
And then Jacksen Moni is a skilled 6-10 PF at North Dakota St. (The rare black dude who grew up in the Dakotas). He shoots it, passes it and is flirting with 50-40-90 but the bounce and the defense isn’t there. Noceilingsnba.com just profiled him and compared him to Dean Wade on the Cavs.

Two guys I’d be interested to have in Maine next year. Also maybe Arthur Kaluma at Texas could develop into something because of 6-7, 225 wing size and he’s shooting it this year (though he’s had some knee issues).

Anybody have any deep sleepers they like?


As a UK basketball fan I'm intrigued by Amari Williams as a sleeper because he has some tools that could translate and isn't just your Queta style athletic big you might be able to pick up in later picks from time to time (not saying I don't like Queta, just saying he's not got a handle or passing of a more skilled big). At the same time he drives me absolutely crazy watching him play many times with the turnovers and trying to do too much.
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Post#626 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:17 pm

what about nique clifford?
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Post#627 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:05 pm

I like him a lot, watching box scores tho not games but seems like Nique has been coming on strong lately.
Last night 22/9/5 on only 8 FGAs (3-3 3PTA, 9-10 FTA) two stocks… Nique kinda in a basket with Miles Byrd in my mind as a new wave D. White type of prospect

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Post#628 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:10 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Anybody high on any sleepers, like if we acquired a late 2nd pick in the 50s or to offer an undrafted FA a 2-way?

I’m really intrigued by Dailyn Swain, 6-6 swingman from Xavier who doesn’t shoot the 3-ball at all but is elite 2pt finishing, free throw rate, FT%, steals, and assist/to. Just a guy who would be way higher if he shot 3s but is way too low as a Shanden Anderson/Marquis Daniels-type wing. And he may learn shoot threes down the line, +80% from the line. And his player archetype is so out of favor right now, he is extremely undervalued.
And then Jacksen Moni is a skilled 6-10 PF at North Dakota St. (The rare black dude who grew up in the Dakotas). He shoots it, passes it and is flirting with 50-40-90 but the bounce and the defense isn’t there. Noceilingsnba.com just profiled him and compared him to Dean Wade on the Cavs.

Two guys I’d be interested to have in Maine next year. Also maybe Arthur Kaluma at Texas could develop into something because of 6-7, 225 wing size and he’s shooting it this year (though he’s had some knee issues).

Anybody have any deep sleepers they like?


As a UK basketball fan I'm intrigued by Amari Williams as a sleeper because he has some tools that could translate and isn't just your Queta style athletic big you might be able to pick up in later picks from time to time (not saying I don't like Queta, just saying he's not got a handle or passing of a more skilled big). At the same time he drives me absolutely crazy watching him play many times with the turnovers and trying to do too much.

Good name, he hasn’t been on my radar, just saw he tallied a triple double two weeks ago. I’ll keep an eye on h8m
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Post#629 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:31 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:I like him a lot, watching box scores tho not games but seems like Nique has been coming on strong lately.
Last night 22/9/5 on only 8 FGAs (3-3 3PTA, 9-10 FTA) two stocks… Nique kinda in a basket with Miles Byrd in my mind as a new wave D. White type of prospect

Larry_Russell wrote:what about nique clifford?



Feel like if he was a 2nd year college player he would be a top 20 guys for sure.
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Post#630 » by djFan71 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:36 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:I like him a lot, watching box scores tho not games but seems like Nique has been coming on strong lately.
Last night 22/9/5 on only 8 FGAs (3-3 3PTA, 9-10 FTA) two stocks… Nique kinda in a basket with Miles Byrd in my mind as a new wave D. White type of prospect

Larry_Russell wrote:what about nique clifford?

Same. Byrd bypassed Nique in my rankings do to the head-to-head game / higher ceiling. But both are in the D White mold. I feel like Byrd is probably gone by our pick at this point, though. We'll see.
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Post#631 » by 165bows » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:29 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Anybody high on any sleepers, like if we acquired a late 2nd pick in the 50s or to offer an undrafted FA a 2-way?

I’m really intrigued by Dailyn Swain, 6-6 swingman from Xavier who doesn’t shoot the 3-ball at all but is elite 2pt finishing, free throw rate, FT%, steals, and assist/to. Just a guy who would be way higher if he shot 3s but is way too low as a Shanden Anderson/Marquis Daniels-type wing. And he may learn shoot threes down the line, +80% from the line. And his player archetype is so out of favor right now, he is extremely undervalued.
And then Jacksen Moni is a skilled 6-10 PF at North Dakota St. (The rare black dude who grew up in the Dakotas). He shoots it, passes it and is flirting with 50-40-90 but the bounce and the defense isn’t there. Noceilingsnba.com just profiled him and compared him to Dean Wade on the Cavs.

Two guys I’d be interested to have in Maine next year. Also maybe Arthur Kaluma at Texas could develop into something because of 6-7, 225 wing size and he’s shooting it this year (though he’s had some knee issues).

Anybody have any deep sleepers they like?

Tugler is on some mocks as a second rounder but he’s interesting as a slightly wingy-ier Rob Williams like athlete. So not sure if he counts or not but he’s a fun swing for the fences.
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Post#632 » by 165bows » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:34 pm

Same with Maxime Reynaud as a Kornet type.
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Post#633 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:17 am

165bows wrote:Same with Maxime Reynaud as a Kornet type.

I've been on the Maxime Raynaud train since the beginning of the year (since his U20 Euros win with France actually) but I don't think he qualifies as a sleeper. He is consistently mocked in the first half of the second round.
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Post#634 » by djFan71 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:05 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
165bows wrote:Same with Maxime Reynaud as a Kornet type.

I've been on the Maxime Raynaud train since the beginning of the year (since his U20 Euros win with France actually) but I don't think he qualifies as a sleeper. He is consistently mocked in the first half of the second round.

Probably cuz all our French insider posters keep yappng about him... Beringer too. Saw him mocked 12 recently. We gotta set up a DM group for this type of intel or something. :lol:
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Post#635 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:59 am

djFan71 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
165bows wrote:Same with Maxime Reynaud as a Kornet type.

I've been on the Maxime Raynaud train since the beginning of the year (since his U20 Euros win with France actually) but I don't think he qualifies as a sleeper. He is consistently mocked in the first half of the second round.

Probably cuz all our French insider posters keep yappng about him... Beringer too. Saw him mocked 12 recently. We gotta set up a DM group for this type of intel or something. :lol:

My bad. Should have known since that Wemby kid went number one that all the NBA GMs are just trying to copy my homework :lol:
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Post#636 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:31 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Sam Vecenie made a video mock and drafted for the C’s at 2:31:55

Vecenie took Kam Jones SG from Marquette and said Celts are only interested in drafting a player that’s a shooter.

I was thinking about Sam Vecenie saying he’s heard Celts are only considering drafting 3pt shooters and I realized the front office under Brad has been very leaky about their draft plans. Look at the history:

2021 and 2022 we didn’t have a pick in the top 40.

In 2023 both Vecenie and Woo said the Celts were targeting a 3-D wing, specifically OMax Prosper and if he comes off the board a younger defensive wing to develop, specifically Julian Phillips or Jordan Walsh. Vecenie mentioned this intention before we picked.

In Givonys ESPN mock last May/June, he said Baylor Scheierman was the Celtics target and #30 was Scheierman floor. Jon said this weeks before the draft.

And now, in February, Vecenie is already reporting Brads strategy for the 2025 draft.

Why is the front office so leaky under Brad Stevens? Yes, sometimes Danny’s favorites got into the draft press in advance of the draft, but many, many times Danny held that info under wraps. Nobody had Terry Rozier going to Boston in the 1st round in 2015. And absolutely nobody had Payton Pritchard going #26 in 2020.

Who in the front office is tipping the C’s hand to draft journalists days, weeks, months before the draft… lol, my advice to the front office is: stop doing that! It’s dumb.
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Post#637 » by Larry_Russell » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:10 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Sam Vecenie made a video mock and drafted for the C’s at 2:31:55

Vecenie took Kam Jones SG from Marquette and said Celts are only interested in drafting a player that’s a shooter.

I was thinking about Sam Vecenie saying he’s heard Celts are only considering drafting 3pt shooters and I realized the front office under Brad has been very leaky about their draft plans. Look at the history:

2021 and 2022 we didn’t have a pick in the top 40.

In 2023 both Vecenie and Woo said the Celts were targeting a 3-D wing, specifically OMax Prosper and if he comes off the board a younger defensive wing to develop, specifically Julian Phillips or Jordan Walsh. Vecenie mentioned this intention before we picked.

In Givonys ESPN mock last May/June, he said Baylor Scheierman was the Celtics target and #30 was Scheierman floor. Jon said this weeks before the draft.

And now, in February, Vecenie is already reporting Brads strategy for the 2025 draft.

Why is the front office so leaky under Brad Stevens? Yes, sometimes Danny’s favorites got into the draft press in advance of the draft, but many, many times Danny held that info under wraps. Nobody had Terry Rozier going to Boston in the 1st round in 2015. And absolutely nobody had Payton Pritchard going #26 in 2020.

Who in the front office is tipping the C’s hand to draft journalists days, weeks, months before the draft… lol, my advice to the front office is: stop doing that! It’s dumb.



I think you are overthinking this one.

Its not hard to figure out who the team is interested in. What with Scout travelling and going to games, private workouts, public workouts.

Its far to hard to keep it all secret and its not worth it.

Also, targeting a shooter makes sense looking at this team how currently constructed for wanting to spam 3pt shooting.

3D wings in the late draft always seems to make sense as well
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Post#638 » by 165bows » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:53 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Sam Vecenie made a video mock and drafted for the C’s at 2:31:55

Vecenie took Kam Jones SG from Marquette and said Celts are only interested in drafting a player that’s a shooter.

I was thinking about Sam Vecenie saying he’s heard Celts are only considering drafting 3pt shooters and I realized the front office under Brad has been very leaky about their draft plans. Look at the history:

2021 and 2022 we didn’t have a pick in the top 40.

In 2023 both Vecenie and Woo said the Celts were targeting a 3-D wing, specifically OMax Prosper and if he comes off the board a younger defensive wing to develop, specifically Julian Phillips or Jordan Walsh. Vecenie mentioned this intention before we picked.

In Givonys ESPN mock last May/June, he said Baylor Scheierman was the Celtics target and #30 was Scheierman floor. Jon said this weeks before the draft.

And now, in February, Vecenie is already reporting Brads strategy for the 2025 draft.

Why is the front office so leaky under Brad Stevens? Yes, sometimes Danny’s favorites got into the draft press in advance of the draft, but many, many times Danny held that info under wraps. Nobody had Terry Rozier going to Boston in the 1st round in 2015. And absolutely nobody had Payton Pritchard going #26 in 2020.

Who in the front office is tipping the C’s hand to draft journalists days, weeks, months before the draft… lol, my advice to the front office is: stop doing that! It’s dumb.

I’d guess it’s largely what they communicate to players/agents.

If it is the case what’s the list? Kam Jones, Alex Karaban, maybe other local guy Sanon?
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Post#639 » by djFan71 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:02 am

165bows wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Sam Vecenie made a video mock and drafted for the C’s at 2:31:55

Vecenie took Kam Jones SG from Marquette and said Celts are only interested in drafting a player that’s a shooter.

I was thinking about Sam Vecenie saying he’s heard Celts are only considering drafting 3pt shooters and I realized the front office under Brad has been very leaky about their draft plans. Look at the history:

2021 and 2022 we didn’t have a pick in the top 40.

In 2023 both Vecenie and Woo said the Celts were targeting a 3-D wing, specifically OMax Prosper and if he comes off the board a younger defensive wing to develop, specifically Julian Phillips or Jordan Walsh. Vecenie mentioned this intention before we picked.

In Givonys ESPN mock last May/June, he said Baylor Scheierman was the Celtics target and #30 was Scheierman floor. Jon said this weeks before the draft.

And now, in February, Vecenie is already reporting Brads strategy for the 2025 draft.

Why is the front office so leaky under Brad Stevens? Yes, sometimes Danny’s favorites got into the draft press in advance of the draft, but many, many times Danny held that info under wraps. Nobody had Terry Rozier going to Boston in the 1st round in 2015. And absolutely nobody had Payton Pritchard going #26 in 2020.

Who in the front office is tipping the C’s hand to draft journalists days, weeks, months before the draft… lol, my advice to the front office is: stop doing that! It’s dumb.

I’d guess it’s largely what they communicate to players/agents.

If it is the case what’s the list? Kam Jones, Alex Karaban, maybe other local guy Sanon?

I don't necessarily agree it's the case, but there's also Fleming, Byrd, Wolf, Raynaud, Jase, Boogie, Riley, Jackson, Catchings. Lots of guys in the range that can shoot - not all knockdown / lights out guys, but not guys with knocks on their shooting either.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#640 » by Hal14 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:18 pm

After watching some more Kam Jones film, yeah I would definitely be down if we grab him in the late 1st /early 2nd round.

He's *good*. It almost seems like the college game is too easy for him at this point.

So damn crafty with those dribble drive moves, carving out space, getting to the paint and has awesome touch on shots near the rim.

He could be a really nice offensive weapon off the bench.

Maybe we eventually have Pritchard in the starting lineup and Kam as the guard off the bench.

Only downside of that is defense..you've now got 2 guards in your rotation who aren't that good on D which goes against what we've been doing these past few yrs.

Other guys I like in the 28-35 range (most have already been discussed) but along the lines of what Sam Vecenie said (we're going to draft a shooter)

Noah Penda
Alex Toohey
Neoklis Avdalas

Penda is the best defender in the group. Unfortunately, I figure he'll probably be gone before our pick..
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