Do Paul George or Joel Embiid Have Any Trade Value?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Either one would get a better package than what Dallas got for Luka since Morey and Harris aren't morons like Nico and Dumont

This is completely off base. AD is worth significantly more than either Embiid or PG13. Add in Christie/1st and it's a no-brainer.

AD misses just as many games if not more than those two guys

Embiid last 3 seasons: 123 GP
AD Last 3 seasons: 175 GP

I don't consider Paul George to be a Top 30 player (maybe not even Top 100 this season). Him playing or not playing isn't relevant to two Top 10 guys (when healthy) in AD/Embiid.

[OrlandoDream]

Embiid still has value. IF philly decides to blow it up, they will get young pieces and picks back for Embiid to pair up Maxxey and Mccain.

Paul George? Unfortunately for Philly he is looking like Beal 2.0 situation. Might be right up there with worse contract in the league for his production.

What team do you imagine taking that kind of risk? on a gigantic guy who hasn't been completely healthy his entire career, is over 30 and needs surgery that will keep him out for the next year (they'll pay him $55 million while he recovers) and will make $70 million at 34.

Miami and GSW have been linked to Embiied in the past.

[Astaluego]

Embiid still has value. IF philly decides to blow it up, they will get young pieces and picks back for Embiid to pair up Maxxey and Mccain.

Paul George? Unfortunately for Philly he is looking like Beal 2.0 situation. Might be right up there with worse contract in the league for his production.

What team do you imagine taking that kind of risk? on a gigantic guy who hasn't been completely healthy his entire career, is over 30 and needs surgery that will keep him out for the next year (they'll pay him $55 million while he recovers) and will make $70 million at 34.

Miami and GSW have been linked to Embiied in the past.

Sure..we're talking about a former MVP and definitely a superstar, but the situation has changed.... in a hypothetical situation, would you want the Magic to trade for him? Even if you could keep Wagner/Paolo..Suggs+KCP+Goga and 3/4 FRP? Would you do it?

[Astaluego]

Either one would get a better package than what Dallas got for Luka since Morey and Harris aren't morons like Nico and Dumont

It seems that Morey lost some of his magic...he was the one who gave those contracts to PG and Embiid

[OrlandoDream]

What team do you imagine taking that kind of risk? on a gigantic guy who hasn't been completely healthy his entire career, is over 30 and needs surgery that will keep him out for the next year (they'll pay him $55 million while he recovers) and will make $70 million at 34.

Miami and GSW have been linked to Embiied in the past.

Sure..we're talking about a former MVP and definitely a superstar, but the situation has changed.... in a hypothetical situation, would you want the Magic to trade for him? Even if you could keep Wagner/Paolo..Suggs+KCP+Goga and 3/4 FRP? Would you do it?

I don't think we would make good trade partners. Orlando has other big issues to solve before upgrading C. We need to upgrade our backcourt STAT and need another 3pt shooting/scoring guard off the bench. If Orlando calls Philly, it would be for firesale to inquire about Maxxey or Mccain.

[cgf]

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

[Godaddycurse]

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

i think people thought DET 1st wasn't going to convey at the time of the trade. Bickerstaff changed the equation on that one for the benefit of the wolves

[Mavrelous]

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

Only reason Randle was all NBA is because of positions, he is a forward and there aren't a lot of great onea, and this entire board, except few Knicks fans, had very low opinion of him before the trade and have him probabely lower now.
The 1st was unlikely to convey and it's a surprise it actually will convey.

[cgf]

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

i think people thought DET 1st wasn't going to convey at the time of the trade. Bickerstaff changed the equation on that one for the benefit of the wolves

Depends on who you asked. I had long argued that the pick was likely to convey eventually, even if I didn't think it would be until next year or the year after...and around last deadline I remember hearing that point being made on one of the big podcasts, IIRC it was Lowe's podcast with Pelton. So it wasn't just me homer'ing

Only reason Randle was all NBA is because of positions, he is a forward and there aren't a lot of great onea, and this entire board, except few Knicks fans, had very low opinion of him before the trade and have him probabely lower now.
The 1st was unlikely to convey and it's a surprise it actually will convey.

If he didn't get hurt he would've made all-nba last season, without any positions...Randle is just really underrated on this board.

Like I get why he isn't popular; he's a 2nd option that was forced to be our 1st option, his lowlights look ridiculous, he makes some hilarious decisions, he takes some plays off to rest/avoid fouls, he's better early in games than late in them, his game is built around his power in an era when finesse is more popular, he has resting b****face, & he's dark-skinned.

...but just because people don't like him doesn't make his game ineffective or negate how good he has been this decade

See my response above about the DET pick.

[Slim Charless]

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

i think people thought DET 1st wasn't going to convey at the time of the trade. Bickerstaff changed the equation on that one for the benefit of the wolves

Speaking of Detroit, maybe they buy low on Biid to fill their hole at C? Trade Duren and a pick for him. He and Tobias know each other and having Cade feed him could help revitalize his career. They have the cap room needed to absorb that massive deal.

Allows Philly the chance to get some youth and clear cap and Detroit takes a gamble that could pay off big time if it hits.

[Mavrelous]

Towns was traded for a guy who was on track for his 3rd All-NBA team in 4 years before he got hurt last season + a quality starter who got some MIP votes + a FRP that's likely to convey as a late-lotto pick. I know people don't rate Randle's game and he's having a quiet year, but the dude is a very good basketballer.

i think people thought DET 1st wasn't going to convey at the time of the trade. Bickerstaff changed the equation on that one for the benefit of the wolves

Depends on who you asked. I had long argued that the pick was likely to convey eventually, even if I didn't think it would be until next year or the year after...and around last deadline I remember hearing that point being made on one of the big podcasts, IIRC it was Lowe's podcast with Pelton. So it wasn't just me homer'ing

Only reason Randle was all NBA is because of positions, he is a forward and there aren't a lot of great onea, and this entire board, except few Knicks fans, had very low opinion of him before the trade and have him probabely lower now.
The 1st was unlikely to convey and it's a surprise it actually will convey.

If he didn't get hurt he would've made all-nba last season, without any positions...Randle is just really underrated on this board.

Like I get why he isn't popular; he's a 2nd option that was forced to be our 1st option, his lowlights look ridiculous, he makes some hilarious decisions, he takes some plays off to rest/avoid fouls, he's better early in games than late in them, his game is built around his power in an era when finesse is more popular, he has resting b****face, & he's dark-skinned.

...but just because people don't like him doesn't make his game ineffective or negate how good he has been this decade

See my response above about the DET pick.

Regardless of your opinion of him, which is wrong IMO, his trade value is very low which was my point, he wasn't going to be all NBA last year, that's just your opinion and itbisn't shared by many.
WRT to being underrated on this board, that's where we value him, we don't have other references.
Same story with the pick, it wasn't valued as a good 1st on the time of the trade, I understand you had other valuations, but that was the consensus.

[cgf]

i think people thought DET 1st wasn't going to convey at the time of the trade. Bickerstaff changed the equation on that one for the benefit of the wolves

Depends on who you asked. I had long argued that the pick was likely to convey eventually, even if I didn't think it would be until next year or the year after...and around last deadline I remember hearing that point being made on one of the big podcasts, IIRC it was Lowe's podcast with Pelton. So it wasn't just me homer'ing

Only reason Randle was all NBA is because of positions, he is a forward and there aren't a lot of great onea, and this entire board, except few Knicks fans, had very low opinion of him before the trade and have him probabely lower now.
The 1st was unlikely to convey and it's a surprise it actually will convey.

If he didn't get hurt he would've made all-nba last season, without any positions...Randle is just really underrated on this board.

Like I get why he isn't popular; he's a 2nd option that was forced to be our 1st option, his lowlights look ridiculous, he makes some hilarious decisions, he takes some plays off to rest/avoid fouls, he's better early in games than late in them, his game is built around his power in an era when finesse is more popular, he has resting b****face, & he's dark-skinned.

...but just because people don't like him doesn't make his game ineffective or negate how good he has been this decade

See my response above about the DET pick.

Regardless of your opinion of him, which is wrong IMO, his trade value is very low which was my point, he wasn't going to be all NBA last year, that's just your opinion and itbisn't shared by many.
WRT to being underrated on this board, that's where we value him, we don't have other references.
Same story with the pick, it wasn't valued as a good 1st on the time of the trade, I understand you had other valuations, but that was the consensus.

You're misremembering. Re-read some of last season's All-NBA discussions before Randle got hurt and you'll see that a lot of posters & reporters had Randle on their lists...25-10-5 on good efficiency (~60% TS after shaking off the rust after surgery) is tough to argue with when a guy isn't a defensive liability, especially with the way Randle was bodying other top PFs like Siakam & Towns, h2h.

Nor was it just me who argued that, unlike the Washington FRP, the Detroit pick was actually interesting. Lowe & Pelton (IIRC) made the same point. Sure on this board a lot of people would say it didn't have value just like they said Randle had negative value, but y'all were wrong on both...as history has proven...

[Mavrelous]

Depends on who you asked. I had long argued that the pick was likely to convey eventually, even if I didn't think it would be until next year or the year after...and around last deadline I remember hearing that point being made on one of the big podcasts, IIRC it was Lowe's podcast with Pelton. So it wasn't just me homer'ing



If he didn't get hurt he would've made all-nba last season, without any positions...Randle is just really underrated on this board.

Like I get why he isn't popular; he's a 2nd option that was forced to be our 1st option, his lowlights look ridiculous, he makes some hilarious decisions, he takes some plays off to rest/avoid fouls, he's better early in games than late in them, his game is built around his power in an era when finesse is more popular, he has resting b****face, & he's dark-skinned.

...but just because people don't like him doesn't make his game ineffective or negate how good he has been this decade

See my response above about the DET pick.

Regardless of your opinion of him, which is wrong IMO, his trade value is very low which was my point, he wasn't going to be all NBA last year, that's just your opinion and itbisn't shared by many.
WRT to being underrated on this board, that's where we value him, we don't have other references.
Same story with the pick, it wasn't valued as a good 1st on the time of the trade, I understand you had other valuations, but that was the consensus.

You're misremembering. Re-read some of last season's All-NBA discussions before Randle got hurt and you'll see that a lot of posters & reporters had Randle on their lists...25-10-5 on good efficiency (~60% TS after shaking off the rust after surgery) is tough to argue with when a guy isn't a defensive liability, especially with the way Randle was bodying other top PFs like Siakam & Towns, h2h.

Nor was it just me who argued that, unlike the Washington FRP, the Detroit pick was actually interesting. Lowe & Pelton (IIRC) made the same point. Sure on this board a lot of people would say it didn't have value just like they said Randle had negative value, but y'all were wrong on both...as history has proven...

Please don't straw man my position, I stated it very clearly, I didn't say
1. Randle had negative value
2. The pick had no value

Randle is an odd fit on most teams and isn't a building block on a contender, he is not valued as an all NBA player in his prime and there is a reason the Knicks paid a 1st and good player on small contract to get a player with less all NBA selections, his own team valued him less.
And I didn't saybthebpick had no value, butbit wasn't considered a good 1st.

[cgf]

Regardless of your opinion of him, which is wrong IMO, his trade value is very low which was my point, he wasn't going to be all NBA last year, that's just your opinion and itbisn't shared by many.
WRT to being underrated on this board, that's where we value him, we don't have other references.
Same story with the pick, it wasn't valued as a good 1st on the time of the trade, I understand you had other valuations, but that was the consensus.

You're misremembering. Re-read some of last season's All-NBA discussions before Randle got hurt and you'll see that a lot of posters & reporters had Randle on their lists...25-10-5 on good efficiency (~60% TS after shaking off the rust after surgery) is tough to argue with when a guy isn't a defensive liability, especially with the way Randle was bodying other top PFs like Siakam & Towns, h2h.

Nor was it just me who argued that, unlike the Washington FRP, the Detroit pick was actually interesting. Lowe & Pelton (IIRC) made the same point. Sure on this board a lot of people would say it didn't have value just like they said Randle had negative value, but y'all were wrong on both...as history has proven...

Please don't straw man my position, I stated it very clearly, I didn't say
1. Randle had negative value
2. The pick had no value

Randle is an odd fit on most teams and isn't a building block on a contender, he is not valued as an all NBA player in his prime and there is a reason the Knicks paid a 1st and good player on small contract to get a player with less all NBA selections, his own team valued him less.
And I didn't saybthebpick had no value, butbit wasn't considered a good 1st.

Fair enough, you are not this board. But if you’re going to reference the board opinion, you are kind of taking them on even when your personal view is more nuanced.

We’ve gotten off topic anyways, my point was just that the Towns trade can be just as easily argued to prove that Randle + that pick had been undervalued on this board, as that Towns was overvalued on that contract.

[brackdan70]

Given their contracts, no

[Djh7475]

I definitely have to disagree with the folks who think Embiid has positive value. He has 4 years left on his contract (ages 31-34) at over $60M per while having arguably his worst season ever and stating that he needs yet another surgery on his knee which will probably knock him out for a huge chunk of his age 31 season.

Embiid getting $63M/year from ages 32-34 after another knee surgery would be tough for any team to swallow even if his whole career wasn’t littered with knee issues and postseason failures. Considering his history, contract, imminent surgery, age, down year, and the fact that his play style isn’t conducive to winning basketball, I think him and PG are in the basement with Beal as far as contract values go. Their contracts would be worse if not for Beal’s NTC.

[tmorgan]

Speaking of Detroit, maybe they buy low on Biid to fill their hole at C? Trade Duren and a pick for him. He and Tobias know each other and having Cade feed him could help revitalize his career. They have the cap room needed to absorb that massive deal.

Allows Philly the chance to get some youth and clear cap and Detroit takes a gamble that could pay off big time if it hits.

Young, up-and-coming team devastates their team chemistry and cap sheet by trading for a former MvP that barely plays, looks like a shell of himself when he does, and needs another surgery, while being owed a quarter billion dollars over the next four years.

HARD PASS. Good lord.