Most of the wealthiest people in the world aren't originators of anything in this world, they are the best at organizing otherwise disorganized things, or packaging OTHER people's expertise together to provide a solution to something. They apply some basic understanding of consumer needs and market dynamics, devise a strategy to maximize on it, have a network of people surrounding them to implement said vision, and then take on the risk to actually do it. Bill Gates did not invent Microsoft. Elon Musk did not invent Telsa. MLSE did not win us a Championship, yet made millions off of it. Realtors did not build homes, or the market of people who need them. Lawyers did not create conflict, or the market of people who do not understand the legal system.
Point is wealth is available for anyone to get, but those worlds require people to put out effort without pay for an extended period of time to figure out the game they're playing, and then capitalize if they're smart and hard working enough to do it, and be rewarded accordingly. The vast majority of people simply do not have the risk threshold to do this.. they want the security of knowing that 'If i do X task, I get Y money', and those worlds cap out salary wise because 90% of the world is wired that way, so the pool of people who prefer high certainty / low reward vs. low certainty / high reward is skewed... meanwhile, the risk takers, if smart, will always be able to capitalize on those individuals.
I've been a realtor for 20 years (not residential), and I completely understand the sentiment that 'Realtors are overpaid'. I actually say this to my team and my family often. But I also know that I've made / saved my clients millions while getting paid in thousands. I also know that realtors spend **** hours of time on stuff that pay absolutely nothing. Its really just perspective. Everyone in the top 5% earners can be considered 'overpaid' relative to others... like, how hard does a coal miner work? or a farmer? Or a teacher? Or a cop? All seems grossly underpaid to me.
The system is a bit messed up, but it ain't no realtors or lawyers fault, lol. And no, vast majority are NOT 'drifters'.
Point is simple, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like if it is so easy, go do it buddy, instead of whining about it. Make your millions. There is a reason that 95% of people who get into this field flame out in under 3 years, literally, a 95% failure rate, lol. That's like saying, 'aww, its so easy to play basketball.. they're playing a game and making $25MM, I can do that'. So go do it!! Go compete!!! Go commit the thousands of hours of your life, sacrificing other 'joys of life', without pay or any assurances of whether this input leads to a life changing salary in the NBA, or a minimum wage career in Turkey. Most don't want to take the risk to bet on themselves, or have the smarts / drive to see it through. Or if making bags of money isn't a nobel enough career for you, then go save the forest or something, whatever provides you with a fulfilling life.
In terms of SGA, he probably doesn't need an agent to sign a max extension. But if he gets disgruntled in OKC, best believe he will be hiring someone to facilitate a move behind the scenes.
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As much as I would love for that to happen, I don't see any scenario of this playing out anytime soon. Maybe towards much later part of his career, that OKC team is set up for success for the next 10 years. Unfortunately.

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As much as I would love for that to happen, I don't see any scenario of this playing out anytime soon. Maybe towards much later part of his career, that OKC team is set up for success for the next 10 years. Unfortunately.
Of course it’s unlikely. Toronto would probably be his second choice, but the only way he doesn’t re-sign with OKC is if they don’t offer him the supermax and/or the Raptors draft Flagg. If one or both those things happen then it’s possible, but it’s unlikely either happens never mind both.
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As much as I would love for that to happen, I don't see any scenario of this playing out anytime soon. Maybe towards much later part of his career, that OKC team is set up for success for the next 10 years. Unfortunately.
There were many teams that looked like beginning of a dynasty, sometimes conditions make them disintegrate.
Remember the same OKC team but with Durant Harden Ibaka Westbrook? A few years later it failed. It can happen, and if it does, I can see Shai coming home.
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Thaddy wrote:Realtors, agents, etc are grifters/losers that need real jobs.
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# He leave.
Alright, SGA, pull a Kawhi after you get the supermax.
Alright, SGA, pull a Kawhi after you get the supermax.
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Jstock12 wrote:Thaddy wrote:Realtors, agents, etc are grifters/losers that need real jobs.
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I think the gripe is when you boil it all down (not saying I agree with this but I understand it) Canada is an unproductive economy in a large part because we glorified an asset for the last 25 years that, at its core, is not a productive asset. Canadians by and large, do not take risks; we're very much a risk adverse society EXCEPT when it comes to real-estate because we've been on a bull run (particularly in Ontario) for so long that the FOMO went to overdrive until, it didn't. You now have people with no clothes on as the tide returns to the sea (as Warren Buffet likes to say which is more eloquent than "blood on the streets").redeye514 wrote:Most of the wealthiest people in the world aren't originators of anything in this world, they are the best at organizing otherwise disorganized things, or packaging OTHER people's expertise together to provide a solution to something. They apply some basic understanding of consumer needs and market dynamics, devise a strategy to maximize on it, have a network of people surrounding them to implement said vision, and then take on the risk to actually do it. Bill Gates did not invent Microsoft. Elon Musk did not invent Telsa. MLSE did not win us a Championship, yet made millions off of it. Realtors did not build homes, or the market of people who need them. Lawyers did not create conflict, or the market of people who do not understand the legal system.
Point is wealth is available for anyone to get, but those worlds require people to put out effort without pay for an extended period of time to figure out the game they're playing, and then capitalize if they're smart and hard working enough to do it, and be rewarded accordingly. The vast majority of people simply do not have the risk threshold to do this.. they want the security of knowing that 'If i do X task, I get Y money', and those worlds cap out salary wise because 90% of the world is wired that way, so the pool of people who prefer high certainty / low reward vs. low certainty / high reward is skewed... meanwhile, the risk takers, if smart, will always be able to capitalize on those individuals.
I've been a realtor for 20 years (not residential), and I completely understand the sentiment that 'Realtors are overpaid'. I actually say this to my team and my family often. But I also know that I've made / saved my clients millions while getting paid in thousands. I also know that realtors spend **** hours of time on stuff that pay absolutely nothing. Its really just perspective. Everyone in the top 5% earners can be considered 'overpaid' relative to others... like, how hard does a coal miner work? or a farmer? Or a teacher? Or a cop? All seems grossly underpaid to me.
The system is a bit messed up, but it ain't no realtors or lawyers fault, lol. And no, vast majority are NOT 'drifters'.
Point is simple, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like if it is so easy, go do it buddy, instead of whining about it. Make your millions. There is a reason that 95% of people who get into this field flame out in under 3 years, literally, a 95% failure rate, lol. That's like saying, 'aww, its so easy to play basketball.. they're playing a game and making $25MM, I can do that'. So go do it!! Go compete!!! Go commit the thousands of hours of your life, sacrificing other 'joys of life', without pay or any assurances of whether this input leads to a life changing salary in the NBA, or a minimum wage career in Turkey. Most don't want to take the risk to bet on themselves, or have the smarts / drive to see it through. Or if making bags of money isn't a nobel enough career for you, then go save the forest or something, whatever provides you with a fulfilling life.
In terms of SGA, he probably doesn't need an agent to sign a max extension. But if he gets disgruntled in OKC, best believe he will be hiring someone to facilitate a move behind the scenes.
What people are pissed off about (mostly young people) is that they made the bargain to learn what they thought were productive skills (provided in the form of education in most cases) so they could negotiate higher salaries. What none of them planned on happening is that between 2012 until now, per capita gdp incomes have stayed at $50k+ US. By comparison, the U.S has grown their's to over $80k. That's why among the people you and I grew up with (assuming you grew up in the Toronto area like I did) a lot of millennials negotiated higher living standards by moving south, the people who stayed in Canada found something in finance, law, accounting, trades and real-estate that they thought was amenable to living a reasonable life - assuming they would get on the housing ladder.
I personally do not blame anyone who got into real-estate as a profession and/or as an investment so they could better their life. Because the fact is Canada in not a rich society in terms of income - rather - we're a society of asset rich boomer cottagers who don't care that their CPP is only paying them $35k a year because they were either borrowing against their assets or liquidated their fortunes and have nothing to worry about except for their access to continued health care while gen z's are working like slaves to pay for that health care which they'll likely outlive as the system continues to falter and collapse.
There are going to be people who say, "we'll its up to the individual to take those risks to start a business or whatever" and while I agree, we don't have the conditions in Canada for people to take those risks quite frankly (for dozens of reasons I won't get into).