2024-2025 Regular Season Game 58: Memphis Grizzlies (36-19) at Orlando Magic (28-29) - 7pm

[byeganyo]

The defense was very good

have you ever admitted being wrong about something?

[VFX]

The Paolo overreactions make this board unbearable. His third quarter was the reason we should’ve closed them out.
Franz made mistakes, too.
Both our stars are playing back to form, it’s looked a lot better these past two games.
Mosley took the blame for the timeout mishap (he had multiple times to call it and didn’t get it done).
The last 2 minutes report will be interesting.

This all comes down on Jeff. We have no choice but to lean heavily on Paolo and Franz playmaking. It’s not always going to look amazing, especially with them playing back to form.
Until we fix our roster in the offseason, Mosley has to coach his way out of this. He failed tonight. Everyone has to learn and re-focus for Sunday.

I agree, these Paolo takes will age like milk

Is his game going to change significantly?
Is he going to develop out of how he plays?

I don’t think these are hot takes.

Hes massively inefficient in whatever you want to call this “system”. Now, if they change the system to make him more efficient, then were the takes really that off?

[eyriq]

The defense was very good

have you ever admitted being wrong about something?

What do I need to admit I was wrong about?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Its crazy to read this post and your previous post and I couldn't agree more.

We argued after game 6 or 7 about how ineffective the dual responsibility of running an offense with those two just wont work in the long run. I still hold that belief.

From a "scheme perspective" there isn't much that Mosely can do. But I CAN tell you that what they are doing right now is absolutely not the answer. It IS bad basketball and the more L's pile up maybe they'll realize that.

I turned this game on in the 3rd, because thats how little I desire to watch terrible basketball, and it absolutely didn't disappoint.

It's why I don't really get too caught up in the lack of a timeout at the end of the game.

If they call a timeout, what are they drawing up anyway? A 4th failed attempt in the final 4 minutes to get Morant switched onto Paolo?

It would have been an isolation situation against a set defense.

Well yes..

Because they have absolutely nothing else and Mosely doesn't actually "run" anything when they aren't coming out of a timeout regardless.

Iso Paolo or Franz and kick out on a collapsing defense. Thats the offense 100% of the time against a set defense when the ball isn't coming off the glass. Not sure how much more transparent it could possibly get.

Us three and a few others the last 2 years

It’s blatantly obvious what this team lacks and coke sniffing man refuses to do anything to help.

[eyriq]

The Paolo overreactions make this board unbearable. His third quarter was the reason we should’ve closed them out.
Franz made mistakes, too.
Both our stars are playing back to form, it’s looked a lot better these past two games.
Mosley took the blame for the timeout mishap (he had multiple times to call it and didn’t get it done).
The last 2 minutes report will be interesting.

This all comes down on Jeff. We have no choice but to lean heavily on Paolo and Franz playmaking. It’s not always going to look amazing, especially with them playing back to form.
Until we fix our roster in the offseason, Mosley has to coach his way out of this. He failed tonight. Everyone has to learn and re-focus for Sunday.

I agree, these Paolo takes will age like milk

Is his game going to change significantly?
Is he going to develop out of how he plays?

I don’t think these are hot takes.

Hes massively inefficient in whatever you want to call this “system”. Now, if they change the system to make him more efficient, then were the takes really that off?

He's 22 and will get better.

[VFX]

I agree, these Paolo takes will age like milk

Is his game going to change significantly?
Is he going to develop out of how he plays?

I don’t think these are hot takes.

Hes massively inefficient in whatever you want to call this “system”. Now, if they change the system to make him more efficient, then were the takes really that off?

He's 21 and will get better.

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

The issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

[eyriq]

The defense was very good

have you ever admitted being wrong about something?

I mean our defensive rating was 103.5. That's good.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

To be clear, if i'm Weltman before any panic trades or anything, i would turn every stone to find at worst average starting level PG and go from there.
Next move would probably be looking for rim defending C who can shoot 3s to open up some driving lines.

Brook Lopez one year contract? Sign & trade for Isaac?

But yea, you need to test what you have in Paolo and Franz to go from there. This "point forward" nonsense was joke from start.

They could’ve done this for 2 years now. Plenty of obtainable mid tier PGs to bring in on 2 year deal. Instead we get Kentavious Caldwell Harris and the actual Gary Harris.

[eyriq]

Is his game going to change significantly?
Is he going to develop out of how he plays?

I don’t think these are hot takes.

Hes massively inefficient in whatever you want to call this “system”. Now, if they change the system to make him more efficient, then were the takes really that off?

He's 21 and will get better.

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

These issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Is his game going to change significantly?
Is he going to develop out of how he plays?

I don’t think these are hot takes.

Hes massively inefficient in whatever you want to call this “system”. Now, if they change the system to make him more efficient, then were the takes really that off?

He's 21 and will get better.

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

The issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

Doesn’t understand linear progression doesn’t just happen because you want it to. The whole follow the plan and it’ll workout is so flawed

[VFX]

He's 21 and will get better.

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

These issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

[89Magicfan]

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

These issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

Need a team that can do what you’re referring to. We don’t have that kind of team.

[VFX]

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

Need a team that can do what you’re referring to. We don’t have that kind of team.

Right.

But that’s begs the question of whether or not Paolo is a “star” if he needs a very specific set of players around him in order to be successful.

[89Magicfan]

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

Need a team that can do what you’re referring to. We don’t have that kind of team.

Right.

But that’s begs the question of whether or not Paolo is a “star” if he needs a very specific set of players around him in order to be successful.

Of course he is. You don’t play 1 on 5. Every star needs a specific type of player(s) around them. Shaq needed shooters, a skilled PG and a defensive minded PF who can also knock down outside shots to spread the floor. So did Dwight.
That’s why Shard at the 4 worked.

[eyriq]

That doesn’t answer the question.

There is a disconnect here with expectations amongst fans. Yes, players get better. Better at things they already do well. More efficient at things they already do.

Paolo isn’t efficient right now in this system attempting to do things he simply can’t, or doesn’t, do well at all. These are things that were discussed well before he was even in Orlando.

These issue isn’t Paolo getting slightly better year over year doing things he shouldn’t even be tasked with.

The issue is him doing what he does best more efficiently.

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

I think his role is fine and equates to winning.

[three3d]

Some of y’all don’t remember the last 12 seasons before Paolo and it shows.

You realize the last 12 seasons have been more like this season than last season right lol? I mean come on, last season was the anomaly if you care to be honest with yourself and everyone else.

[VFX]

He'll make better decisions, make better passes, shoot more efficiently, play better defense, etc. He'll get better at every basketball action.

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

I think his role is fine and equates to winning.

The numbers and record state otherwise.

[89Magicfan]

Some of y’all don’t remember the last 12 seasons before Paolo and it shows.

You realize the last 12 seasons have been more like this season than last season right lol? I mean come on, last season was the anomaly if you care to be honest with yourself and everyone else.

That’s a bad argument to make against someone who’s only been in the league for 3 seasons.

Year one a rook, year two he improves, year 3 suffers first big injury and argument is year 2 was anomaly? Nah. You’re missing context big time my boy.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Some of y’all don’t remember the last 12 seasons before Paolo and it shows.

You realize the last 12 seasons have been more like this season than last season right lol? I mean come on, last season was the anomaly if you care to be honest with yourself and everyone else.

We were healthy last season, but the other seasons before, healthy or not, the teams were dreadful. And no the seasons were not the same. From 2012-2022 (I guess 10 seasons—I didn’t realize that we still had Dwight until 2012) we had a 33, 35, and 42 win season, every other season we saw wins in the 20s. We have so far with Paolo and Franz, a 34 and 47 win season. If it wasn’t for the injuries, I full expected for us to have a record equal to or better than last season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/

[eyriq]

We aren’t talking about the same thing.

You are talking about players getting slightly better by being around the game year over year.

I’m talking about Paolo’s role and what he should be focusing on that equates to winning basketball within the framework of a team.

I think his role is fine and equates to winning.

The numbers and record state otherwise.

+12, +13 win seasons with him in the top 3 in minutes. Stalled progression with him outside the top 3 in minutes this season due to injury.