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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#261 » by mpharris36 » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:40 am

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

The only argument I could think off is the plan is to have Robinson play heavy minutes at the 5 with KAT at the 4 and the defense will be the same but with Robinson at center which would be a better option and easier to reinforce than "Play zone with KAT is at the 5 and then play drop with Mitch is at the 5"


how can any part of the plan be required for Mitch to play heavy minutes when he hasn't shown any ability to stay on the court.

Mitch will be a nice switch up to play some traditional drop coverage becaues is a good rim protector but asking him to play heavy minutes would be insanity.
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#262 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:00 am

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Spree2Houston wrote:Mitch will elevate us from Tier 2 to Tier 1.5

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All well and good provided he's not ALLERGIC to the court now. 8-)


I wonder what are the betting odds for when Mitch's first 40 minute game will be?

I'm thinking it may be his 2nd game back

When Thibs sees Mitch get his first block he's going to soil himself and never rest him again
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#263 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:25 am

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Nah Brody, you got the game twisted. We here for business. We here to win.
That’s the problem with today’s society, you don’t get trophies for participating, you get trophies for being the best.
Yea we root for the team because we will always be Knick fans, but this the best team we had in damn near 26 years, and if the product on the court is garbage compared to the other top 3 teams, they not representing what New York is. Those teams are better than us, but they not 30 points better than us. The wizards lost to the Celtics by less points than we did in their 2 games against the C’s, are we the Wizards? Get it together, we not the same team as 5 or 10 years ago, we have entered into the realm of being contenders, the product on the court needs to represent that whether we play the wizards and jazz or if we play the Celtics and Cavs.

I don’t think you’re making too much sense and you know it. It is not healthy if you cannot acknowledge other people’s greatness. Many factions can be good. You can fall short, that is okay - especially if in a team game they have been together much longer and you just happen to be without your gatekeeper.

And before anyone says I’ll settle: we win a playoff series against Cleveland.


Nah, just by you typing this reply, I can tell you’re ok with settling for less in life, and probably ok with participation trophies
Get a grip, we lost by:
35 to the Celtics 2/8
35 to the Celtics 10/22
30 to the thunder 1/10
37 to the Cavs 2/22

I just gave you four games over the course of 4 months where the deficit has INCREASED. OKC hasn’t been together “for years”… “they”added 2 main pieces in Caruso and iHArt the same way we have with KAT and Mikal. This has nothing about being “factions being true” or “cheering for them because we are “fourth best” You make no damn sense. The freekin’ wizards lost by less to the Celtics. It’s about pride and toughness, you claim to know about the Knicks of the 90s, then you damn well know those teams of the 90s weren’t getting molly whopped by 30 points in multiple games.

Serious question, what makes you think we can win a playoff series against the Celtics or Cavs?? Thibs never adjusts, and it aint the 90s anymore bro. Have a look at the games and you can see how we run to protect the paint even when no one is there. Losing is one thing, but the games being over before the second half starts is another. We are being out coached, out hustled, and out smarted damn near every play against these teams, and if that doesn’t frustrate you and you’re ok with it, then step away from posting. Pick your pride up off the floor, we were supposed to be BETTER this year , you think the second half team of last year would lose by THIRTY in these games?? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

What an idiot answer… I can sit here comfortably, smile and tell you F off and mind your own business where you’re very, very frustrated with things even of that nature. These are things you cannot influence, yet you “demand” instant success as if life worked that way or you were in position to demand something here - as I said, that’s childish to me. You seem very agitated, triggered and emotional, maybe you should relax.

To your points, this team was never supposed to already be as good as you claim, let alone the actual favorite to win it all this year. But they are the best team in decades. We were gifted Towns for our trash, which is great progress, but he isn’t Michael Jordan. So far, the team has been exactly as good as it was supposed to be without their starting center or hardly any bench contribution as well as two starters added to the mix. And while Towns would be the best player on the Cavs, I think it is very stupid to ignore how good other teams still are because they have progressed over the years, learned to play together, improved from within and added to their depth etc.

If we had Josh Hart come off our bench, we’d be killing these teams and it’s not even out of the question that we might still make that type of noise this year. But go on and complain, I don’t care.
What’s more though, winning and losing by thirty is simply the modern NBA. We blew out the Grizzlies recently and they are still capable of beating us next time.

Ultimately, your proud heroes of the 90s were after all eliminated from the playoffs year after year and didn’t win anything, yet you do seem to have settled, enjoyed and cheered for them.
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#264 » by WargamesX » Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:31 am

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

The only argument I could think off is the plan is to have Robinson play heavy minutes at the 5 with KAT at the 4 and the defense will be the same but with Robinson at center which would be a better option and easier to reinforce than "Play zone with KAT is at the 5 and then play drop with Mitch is at the 5"


how can any part of the plan be required for Mitch to play heavy minutes when he hasn't shown any ability to stay on the court.

Mitch will be a nice switch up to play some traditional drop coverage becaues is a good rim protector but asking him to play heavy minutes would be insanity.


If you're saying you think Thibs isn't going to play Mitch HEAVY minutes because he is a injury risk, I have some bad news for you.

Sarcasm aside, KAT and Rudy went to the WCF with KAT playing the majority of his minutes at the 4. The Knicks want to open the offense, but the only chance they have to get through the cavs and the celtics is they need to replicate the KAT/Rudy Dynamic for at least 2 quarters a game, maybe more. 5 out aint beating those teams because it relies on Brunson and KAT on the floor and KAT cant run drop coverage to let other guys feed the ballhandler into a trap. We'll also need to out-rebound both those teams, which means fights in the paint.
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#265 » by DaGawd » Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:52 am

i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#266 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sun Feb 23, 2025 11:28 am

DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care

Going for the little purr.
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Post#267 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:03 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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spree2kawhi wrote:I don’t think you’re making too much sense and you know it. It is not healthy if you cannot acknowledge other people’s greatness. Many factions can be good. You can fall short, that is okay - especially if in a team game they have been together much longer and you just happen to be without your gatekeeper.

And before anyone says I’ll settle: we win a playoff series against Cleveland.


Nah, just by you typing this reply, I can tell you’re ok with settling for less in life, and probably ok with participation trophies
Get a grip, we lost by:
35 to the Celtics 2/8
35 to the Celtics 10/22
30 to the thunder 1/10
37 to the Cavs 2/22

I just gave you four games over the course of 4 months where the deficit has INCREASED. OKC hasn’t been together “for years”… “they”added 2 main pieces in Caruso and iHArt the same way we have with KAT and Mikal. This has nothing about being “factions being true” or “cheering for them because we are “fourth best” You make no damn sense. The freekin’ wizards lost by less to the Celtics. It’s about pride and toughness, you claim to know about the Knicks of the 90s, then you damn well know those teams of the 90s weren’t getting molly whopped by 30 points in multiple games.

Serious question, what makes you think we can win a playoff series against the Celtics or Cavs?? Thibs never adjusts, and it aint the 90s anymore bro. Have a look at the games and you can see how we run to protect the paint even when no one is there. Losing is one thing, but the games being over before the second half starts is another. We are being out coached, out hustled, and out smarted damn near every play against these teams, and if that doesn’t frustrate you and you’re ok with it, then step away from posting. Pick your pride up off the floor, we were supposed to be BETTER this year , you think the second half team of last year would lose by THIRTY in these games?? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

What an idiot answer… I can sit here comfortably, smile and tell you F off and mind your own business where you’re very, very frustrated with things even of that nature. These are things you cannot influence, yet you “demand” instant success as if life worked that way or you were in position to demand something here - as I said, that’s childish to me. You seem very agitated, triggered and emotional, maybe you should relax.

To your points, this team was never supposed to already be as good as you claim, let alone the actual favorite to win it all this year. But they are the best team in decades. We were gifted Towns for our trash, which is great progress, but he isn’t Michael Jordan. So far, the team has been exactly as good as it was supposed to be without their starting center or hardly any bench contribution as well as two starters added to the mix. And while Towns would be the best player on the Cavs, I think it is very stupid to ignore how good other teams still are because they have progressed over the years, learned to play together, improved from within and added to their depth etc.

If we had Josh Hart come off our bench, we’d be killing these teams and it’s not even out of the question that we might still make that type of noise this year. But go on and complain, I don’t care.
What’s more though, winning and losing by thirty is simply the modern NBA. We blew out the Grizzlies recently and they are still capable of beating us next time.

Ultimately, your proud heroes of the 90s were after all eliminated from the playoffs year after year and didn’t win anything, yet you do seem to have settled, enjoyed and cheered for them.


To the first bolded point, you damn right I demand greatness, not to toot my own horn, but when my family moved to this country, I lived in a car for 2 years as a kid, because we didn’t have money. Now both my sister and I are successful respected doctors in NY, that earned a hefty bag. Pretty damn good coming as immigrants from the Caribbean. If I didn’t demand greatness of myself then I wouldn’t be what I am. You should learn to carry a chip on your shoulder, it will take you places you couldn’t dream of. I’m neither angered, triggered nor emotional, on the flip side, I’m driven. But if you are ok with the Knicks getting blown out by 30, “its ok because we are fourth best” and were “never the favorite to win it all this year”, well that separates people like you, from people like me. The difference between great and good, is work ethic, discipline and want-to. What I see on the court against the top 3 teams is poor work ethic, dedication and no heart.

To the second bolded point, the only thing I’ve beaten the drum on the forum for years is that we should fire Thibs, and go with a more modern coach. The Cavs did absolutely nothing this year (until recently by getting Deandre), all they did was change their coach, which goes to what I’ve been harping on, new coach, new philosophy, same team, better results. We have the opportunity to WIN A RING, that’s what the Crux of the argument comes down to, and what’s holding the team back is THE COACH, and archaic defensive philosophies.

To the third bolded point, weren’t you the one to Bring up Spree and Camby first? lol Tf???? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

And to the last bolded point, losing by 30 is not simply the NBA. lol tf??? No other team has lost by more to the top 3 teams in 6 games than us. Losing by 30 once is a bad night. Losing by 30, two nights can be due to tired legs. Losing by 30 points 3 games sounds about right if you’re a tanking team. Losing by 30 points in 4 games when you’re expected to have been the second best team entering the conference prior to the season is just embarrassing, and not part of today’s NBA, come on man, Stop it, and take a step back from posting.
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Re: PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs? 

Post#268 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:03 pm

DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care


Aiiiggght salute!
The same one from tinder?
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Post#269 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:07 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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spree2kawhi wrote:If y’all can’t take a loss, you should watch Netflix instead. This team will make noise in the playoffs and it is still only their first season together anyway. I’ll remain supportive of this squad, but this board has become lame.


Oh we’ll be making noise alright
All the knees and joints breaking as the boos rain down after we lose in 4 in the second round

You and many others here sound like children hurling the ice-cream Mommy bought against a wall crying, “I wanted more scoops!”

Even if we lose in the second round, this is the first Knicks team since the Sprewell and Camby acquisitions that’s built the right way. Might as well enjoy and cut out the childish behavior.


I thought I was trippin bruh, you were the one who started mentioning 90s teams like Spree and Camby, why you pointing the finger at me for saying I mentioned 90s teams?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I was just going off your vibes bro damn lmaoo
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Post#270 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:26 pm

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.


Yeah, I mean at some point the coach has to look at the data and say "it's not working"
The sample is there. You added no depth at center, so you have mitch, Huk and no one as far as rim protection. Gotta start being flexible to switch because the good-great teams know that the ball is faster than even the best defensive players and one weak rotation, or one crap ref to allows a shooter to kick into a fake foul... it's all for nothing.
I think they just can't change too much. We don't overhelp they will overwhelm us at the rim and KAT will foul out.

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Changing or altering scheme is literally the only thing they can change since the roster is what it is unless we can put a blonde wig on Javale McGee and call him McVale Jagee so we can sneak him onto a 2-way.
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Post#271 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:50 pm

Folks are really scared to make the game thread? :lol:

This could a statement win game!

Or maybe even the game that gets Thibs fired!

It's glory either way!!!
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Post#272 » by DaGawd » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:05 pm

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DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care


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Post#273 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:45 pm

DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care


....... so how did it go?
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Post#274 » by nedleeds » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:47 pm

Guys, Mitch will be coming back soon. Our starting 5 is championship caliber. Our record isn't a result of the easiest SoS through the All Star break it's because Thibs knows how to guide a team and make the tough adjustments.
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Post#275 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:49 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Yeah, I mean at some point the coach has to look at the data and say "it's not working"
The sample is there. You added no depth at center, so you have mitch, Huk and no one as far as rim protection. Gotta start being flexible to switch because the good-great teams know that the ball is faster than even the best defensive players and one weak rotation, or one crap ref to allows a shooter to kick into a fake foul... it's all for nothing.
I think they just can't change too much. We don't overhelp they will overwhelm us at the rim and KAT will foul out.

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Changing or altering scheme is literally the only thing they can change since the roster is what it is unless we can put a blonde wig on Javale McGee and call him McVale Jagee so we can sneak him onto a 2-way.


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Post#276 » by Kampuchea » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:49 pm

DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care


Bad call, expecting a win. Just go someplace with the game on.
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Post#277 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:52 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:Folks are really scared to make the game thread? :lol:

This could a statement win game!

Or maybe even the game that gets Thibs fired!

It's glory either way!!!


I keep thinking there's no way Thibs would be fired until the season is over, but on the other hand these blowouts against the teams we should be competitive against must be driving the FO out of their freaking minds and making them crawl out of their skin. This stuff is embarrassing.
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Post#278 » by FrozenEnvelope » Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:53 pm

Cannot beat this team with KAT at Center. We need Mitch against these guys. And of course Hart too.

But Cavs are good. They are not the same nerdy kid we bullied in the playoffs a few years ago. They have gotten a lot better and tougher. We will need all hands on deck if we play them in the playoffs.
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Post#279 » by DaGawd » Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:31 pm

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DaGawd wrote:i’ve chosen to go out and get some pussy instead of watch the celtics game later on, y’all take care


....... so how did it go?

headed out in a few lol
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Post#280 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:37 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:I think they just can't change too much. We don't overhelp they will overwhelm us at the rim and KAT will foul out.

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Changing or altering scheme is literally the only thing they can change since the roster is what it is unless we can put a blonde wig on Javale McGee and call him McVale Jagee so we can sneak him onto a 2-way.


This is what Google had to say about McVale Jagee:

The McLaren Vale Hotel in Australia serves Jägermeister Cold Brew, a liqueur that combines coffee and Jägermeister's traditional botanicals.


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