It’s WILD that LeBron hasn’t won an MVP in 12 years

[JM00n69]

I’m not a LBJ honk but he should have at least one, maybe two more MVP’s since he won his last in 2013.

MVP winners since then:
14’ - KD
15’ - Steph
16’ - Steph (unanimous)
17’ - Russ
18’ - Harden
19’ - Giannis
20’ - Giannis
21’ - Jokic
22’ - Jokic
23’ - Embiid
24’ - Jokic

'23 LBJ>Embiid 100%

[ChiTownHero1992]

I don't see a single season in that stretch that he deserved it over the winner, not even close actually if you ask me.

[Camby_Bamby]

That's a better sample. Of course the main issue is that you're talking about a very top heavy team, they won't be great at winning with either out.

Lebron also only played 56 games that season, can't neglect that part.

They were 17-23 with AD and they were 25-31 with Lebron.

Just stating the obvious - Lebron wasn't as valuable as AD since his stint with the Lakers. Activated playoff mode and got monkey stomped in 2019. AD showed up, they win. AD leads them to the playoffs in 2021, goes up 2-0, Lebron is showboating, AD goes down, media/fans say AD isn't needed, Lakers get monkey stomped, yall say he's inured. Lol.

Just a lame fanbase with an excuse always cocked and ready while minimizing the importance of every single teammate.

I like AD, and I'm not a Lakers fan, nor do I care about propping up Lebron. I just don't think we need to put out meh arguments just to counter annoying ones.

The Pelicans went 25-31 with AD in 18-19, the Lakers went 28-27 with Lebron in 18-19. Both played 56 and 55 games respectively. They both needed a better co-star (and better health) to help them win more.

22-23 again had a lot of missed games. They won 43 overall. 30-25 with Lebron, 31-25 with AD, obviously there was overlap in games played, I don't know or care much about the stats with/without.

Both guys needed each other in that specific situation to win more games. AD isn't a playmaker, Lebron can't anchor a defense and doesn't have the motor or stamina in his mid to late 30's anymore to have top level defensive impact (unless he becomes Draymond on offense).

Not sure if it's about motor or stamina as opposed to just being bad at half court defense. People that are guided by him get dunks and layups. See Aaron Gordon, Patrick McCaw. Lol. The awareness isn't there at the PF position and never has been. Too many years playing scrubs out East.

[magee]

It's wild in that LeBron is still playing.

[MavsDirk41]

Jokic is the only one that truly was the MVP each of those years. All of the other years Lebron pretty much got robbed. It happened to Kobe a lot. The league uses the MVP more as a step tool rather than a true reflection of who is the most important to their team or the league. There has not been a more important player in sports than Lebron James.

Lol what?? I can name several….

It won't change that he's rarely ever not been the most important player to the league, in the league, almost since his rookie season. Lebron could flex this fact but he already doesn't get enough credit for how humble he is.

Humble?? He is the most narcissistic, egotistical, selfish player ive ever seen. Im not sure if this is satire?? If not? Ali, Tiger Woods, Bolt, Brady, Barry Sanders, Jordan, Magic, Bird, for example all meant more to their profession than James. Even Curry i would argue has meant more to the nba than James. I think James is a top 3 player all time but in no fashion has he ever been the most important player nba history much less all of sports.

[Loneshot]

Lol what?? I can name several….

It won't change that he's rarely ever not been the most important player to the league, in the league, almost since his rookie season. Lebron could flex this fact but he already doesn't get enough credit for how humble he is.

Humble?? He is the most narcissistic, egotistical, selfish player ive ever seen. Im not sure if this is satire?? If not? Ali, Tiger Woods, Bolt, Brady, Barry Sanders, Jordan, Magic, Bird, for example all meant more to their profession than James. Even Curry i would argue has meant more to the nba than James. I think James is a top 3 player all time but in no fashion has he ever been the most important player nba history much less all of sports.

That's your biased opinion. Please share this long history of James being this person you claim. Is it The Decision? Because that's been a media spin job. That's all anyone ever uses. You have no evidence of anything you claim to support your biased opinion.

[MavsDirk41]

It won't change that he's rarely ever not been the most important player to the league, in the league, almost since his rookie season. Lebron could flex this fact but he already doesn't get enough credit for how humble he is.

Humble?? He is the most narcissistic, egotistical, selfish player ive ever seen. Im not sure if this is satire?? If not? Ali, Tiger Woods, Bolt, Brady, Barry Sanders, Jordan, Magic, Bird, for example all meant more to their profession than James. Even Curry i would argue has meant more to the nba than James. I think James is a top 3 player all time but in no fashion has he ever been the most important player nba history much less all of sports.

That's your biased opinion. Please share this long history of James being this person you claim. Is it The Decision? Because that's been a media spin job. That's all anyone ever uses. You have no evidence of anything you claim to support your biased opinion.

And your not biased? Claiming he is the most sports figure in history? Lol do you understand the meaning of bias?

Not 1, not 2, not 3…..
Blaming his teammates after the 2011 finals debacle
Mocking Dirk during the nba finals
Calling himself the goat
Congratulating himself on social media
Passive aggressive behavior towards his teammates and coaches
Walking off the court towards the locker room numerous times before the game is over
Constant pouting if things arent going well
Colluding with other star players

[picko]

All of them are readily explainable, but he certainly got close on a few occasions (2014, 2018, 2020).

It's largely a product of LeBron not going all out in the regular season for much of that time. Yet stepping up big time in the playoffs and then being remembered as the best player that year.

But it will be strange to look back on this career, when he was the best player alive for ~15 years, yet has only 4 MVPs. Even if you understand why.

[The Big O]

Humble?? He is the most narcissistic, egotistical, selfish player ive ever seen. Im not sure if this is satire?? If not? Ali, Tiger Woods, Bolt, Brady, Barry Sanders, Jordan, Magic, Bird, for example all meant more to their profession than James. Even Curry i would argue has meant more to the nba than James. I think James is a top 3 player all time but in no fashion has he ever been the most important player nba history much less all of sports.

That's your biased opinion. Please share this long history of James being this person you claim. Is it The Decision? Because that's been a media spin job. That's all anyone ever uses. You have no evidence of anything you claim to support your biased opinion.

And your not biased? Claiming he is the most sports figure in history? Lol do you understand the meaning of bias?

Not 1, not 2, not 3…..
Blaming his teammates after the 2011 finals debacle
Mocking Dirk during the nba finals
Calling himself the goat
Congratulating himself on social media
Passive aggressive behavior towards his teammates and coaches
Walking off the court towards the locker room numerous times before the game is over
Constant pouting if things arent going well
Colluding with other star players

You just lumped Barry Sanders over LeBron. Please sit down.

[The Master]

As a LeBron fan: he was still the best NBA player in 2014-2020 span (2019 excluded), but one of the points of his longevity and playoff mode was him not giving his 100% in the regular season. I don't see any season among those in which he actually should've won an MVP. Was he overall a better player than KD, Curry, Harden or Giannis? I believe so. Was he a better RS performer? Nope, he wasn't. I can also imagine him putting extra effort to win one or two RS MVPs, but like above was stated: it wouldn't be too beneficial for his legendary postseason production.

There's a reason why he was 7.8 BPM player in the regular season in 14-24 span and 10.1 BPM in the playoffs, on its own this is a historical growth (especially considering sample size) for any player in the playoffs vs regular season. Reggie Miller was +3.7 BPM in his prime in RS and +5.9 BPM in the playoffs - and this is perhaps the best growth in the playoffs from an all-star that we've seen, but considering LeBron was going from top3 MVP candidate to the ~GOAT-level performer in the playoffs, it's still not close IMHO. Excluding rookie season, LeBron was +10.2 BPM in RS in 05-13 span and +10.0 BPM in the playoffs. A clear example that while his playoff performance level has been ~similar, his RS output wasn't, in the latter part of his career.

That's why it's wild to see LeBron not winning an MVP since he was 28, but when you take a look closer - it really isn't. I don't find this repeated sentiment of 'LeBron should've won much more MVP awards than he did' as any legit, to be honest.

[Kingdibs19]

That's your biased opinion. Please share this long history of James being this person you claim. Is it The Decision? Because that's been a media spin job. That's all anyone ever uses. You have no evidence of anything you claim to support your biased opinion.

And your not biased? Claiming he is the most sports figure in history? Lol do you understand the meaning of bias?

Not 1, not 2, not 3…..
Blaming his teammates after the 2011 finals debacle
Mocking Dirk during the nba finals
Calling himself the goat
Congratulating himself on social media
Passive aggressive behavior towards his teammates and coaches
Walking off the court towards the locker room numerous times before the game is over
Constant pouting if things arent going well
Colluding with other star players

You just lumped Barry Sanders over LeBron. Please sit down.

Give him a break. Dude is in shambles since his favorite NBA player left his team and now plays with the guy he spent 20 years hating for no reason. Sad times.

[The Big O]

As a LeBron fan: he was still the best NBA player in 2014-2020 span (2019 excluded), but one of the points of his longevity and playoff mode was him not giving his 100% in the regular season. I don't see any season among those in which he actually should've won an MVP. Was he overall a better player than KD, Curry, Harden or Giannis? I believe so. Was he a better RS performer? Nope, he wasn't. I can also imagine him putting extra effort to win one or two RS MVPs, but like above was stated: it wouldn't be too beneficial for his legendary postseason production.

There's a reason why he was 7.8 BPM player in the regular season in 14-24 span and 10.1 BPM in the playoffs, on its own this is a historical growth (especially considering sample size) for any player in the playoffs vs regular season. Reggie Miller was +3.7 BPM in his prime in RS and +5.9 BPM in the playoffs - and this is perhaps the best growth in the playoffs from an all-star that we've seen, but considering LeBron was going from top3 MVP candidate to the ~GOAT-level performer in the playoffs, it's still not close IMHO. Excluding rookie season, LeBron was +10.2 BPM in RS in 05-13 span and +10.0 BPM in the playoffs. A clear example that while his playoff performance level has been ~similar, his RS output wasn't, in the latter part of his career.

That's why it's wild to see LeBron not winning an MVP since he was 28, but when you take a look closer - it really isn't. I don't find this repeated sentiment of 'LeBron should've won much more MVP awards than he did' as any legit, to be honest.

Most reasonable take here. LeBron is essentially the best postseason performer of all time, arguably.

[Big Aristotle]

It’s wild that AD didn’t win Finals MVP despite dragging a non playoff team to a ring after his first season. And wild that he drug a non playoff team to the playoffs in again in 2023 and didn’t get an MVP.

Lakers have been a sub 40-win team without AD in the lineup ever since LeBron arrived.

In what world did AD drag that team to the ring when there was another guy who averaged nearly 30/12/9 in the finals? I can respect the shtick but this just doesn't make much sense, I'm sorry.

That's like saying Steph dragged KD to a ring when Durant averaged 35/8/5. Regardless of who you think was more important to the team's success in each case, they both provided immense value.

[dockingsched]

In related news, I just clicked on the realgm mvp thread and there’s players with worse stats from worse teams, players from the same teamon the poll and lebron can’t even be listed under “other” where there’s like 10 more players listed. Insane.

[ScrantonBulls]

And your not biased? Claiming he is the most sports figure in history? Lol do you understand the meaning of bias?

Not 1, not 2, not 3…..
Blaming his teammates after the 2011 finals debacle
Mocking Dirk during the nba finals
Calling himself the goat
Congratulating himself on social media
Passive aggressive behavior towards his teammates and coaches
Walking off the court towards the locker room numerous times before the game is over
Constant pouting if things arent going well
Colluding with other star players

You just lumped Barry Sanders over LeBron. Please sit down.

Give him a break. Dude is in shambles since his favorite NBA player left his team and now plays with the guy he spent 20 years hating for no reason. Sad times.

I'm honestly a bit worried about him. He's been much more agitated and angry this year. He hates that LeBron is still going strong in year 21. The Lakers fleecing his Mavs really sent him over the edge. Having that amount of hate and vitriol for an NBA player who is a good person by all accounts is sad. He clearly doesn't know what a narcissist is, but he's calling LeBron one because one of the other LeBron obsessed posters called him that. It's all just really sad.

[Thaddy]

Jokic should be a 4x MVP I think he could have a GOAT level career. Man that still sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Kingdibs19]

You just lumped Barry Sanders over LeBron. Please sit down.

Give him a break. Dude is in shambles since his favorite NBA player left his team and now plays with the guy he spent 20 years hating for no reason. Sad times.

I'm honestly a bit worried about him. He's been much more agitated and angry this year. He hates that LeBron is still going strong in year 21. The Lakers fleecing his Mavs really sent him over the edge. Having that amount of hate and vitriol for an NBA player who is a good person by all accounts is sad. He clearly doesn't know what a narcissist is, but he's calling LeBron one because one of the other LeBron obsessed posters called him that. It's all just really sad.

He used to pop up in every Lebron thread like it was his job and then went radio silent after the Luka trade, was worried but I’m glad he’s ok. Don’t wish harm on any RealGM poster, it’s just basketball after all, but with the irrational deranged hate they have for a sports player, you never know.

[MavsDirk41]

And your not biased? Claiming he is the most sports figure in history? Lol do you understand the meaning of bias?

Not 1, not 2, not 3…..
Blaming his teammates after the 2011 finals debacle
Mocking Dirk during the nba finals
Calling himself the goat
Congratulating himself on social media
Passive aggressive behavior towards his teammates and coaches
Walking off the court towards the locker room numerous times before the game is over
Constant pouting if things arent going well
Colluding with other star players

You just lumped Barry Sanders over LeBron. Please sit down.

Give him a break. Dude is in shambles since his favorite NBA player left his team and now plays with the guy he spent 20 years hating for no reason. Sad times.

So Luka was my favorite player before being traded to the Lakers? I didnt know that. Just another mvp caliber player playing alongside your hero though. This makes it 3 now not counting Westbrook. Never seen a top 10 player all time play with so much talent.

[Blame Rasho]

It is wild that someone made this thread…

[Marvin Martian]

He deserved it over Harden IMO