Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Sign Pete Nance to 2-way

[-Jragon-]

If last year's Mavs can make the Finals, we can win them. Just need a ton of breaks.

Chase the asterisk!

I have optimism based on this: it's very possible and maybe probable that our best 2 players right now didnt have enough guys that play the style that we need to mesh best with them and also do the little things hustle/screen/plays/get in the corner/defend/athletic rebounding....

We have that now. Question could be - do we have enough talent still? Giannis, Dame, Brook.. yep..and now we're seeing Kuz, AJG, KPJ, GTJ and TP might have it too... let us click and I think we start putting a streak together and we'll really know what we have here.

[JonHeist]

There's an ongoing investigation of KPJ, so the rug could be pulled from under us. That's another reason we got such an imbalanced deal from a talent for talent standpoint. The narrative could shift in the other direction quick if it's a Bobby situation.

It can only shift so far given what we gave up, fortunately.

he's already helped us win a couple more games than MarJon woulda

[BigO]

I would temper the long term love here for KPJ, Rollins and the other young guys. No analysis should be based on short term performance.

KPJ in particular seems to have an old man's game, meaning he loves the inefficient twos and not very good at the threes. Even in his best year he was inefficient..

KPJ is all about his personal life. Has he matured and can he fit into a team concept. He’s sort of a lesser version of Boogie Cousins in that respect.

I don’t mind the two pointers. We’ve needed a guard who can quickly get into the lane and cause havoc with the floaters. Dame doesn’t do that consistently enough at this point in his career.

I’m also interested as seeing how KPJ does with ball handling under pressure. Another weakness we’ve had.

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

[raferfenix]

There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

To be fair, the Clippers also got Bogdan and Ben Simmons.

Ty Lue gave Doc a very positive review too.

Evidence seems to be LAC got better / better fitting players who would’ve taken all of KPJ’s mins in a crucial season for his career.

Clippers did him a solid by trading him to a team where there had already been mutual interest and that now has an even bigger role for him than we would’ve thought.

[drew881]

If last year's Mavs can make the Finals, we can win them. Just need a ton of breaks.

Think even with a ton of breaks like injuries to the other teams it isn’t happening. We don’t have the top end stars clicking (had it in 2021) and we certainly don’t have the bench stability (had it in 2021).

[Dick Tate]

I don’t know how long KPJ will be around. I just hope some of the other guards watch him play and figure out why he’s taking their minutes.

[drew881]

There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

To be fair, the Clippers also got Bogdan and Ben Simmons.

Ty Lue gave Doc a very positive review too.

Evidence seems to be LAC got better / better fitting players who would’ve taken all of KPJ’s mins in a crucial season for his career.

Clippers did him a solid by trading him to a team where there had already been mutual interest and that now has an even bigger role for him than we would’ve thought.

Did him a solid and avoided the drama of his reduced minutes. Surprised they didn’t get a second round pick from us to be honest, given how useless Marjon is.

[paulpressey25]

I don’t know how long KPJ will be around. I just hope some of the other guards watch him play and figure out why he’s taking their minutes.

None of the other guys are physically capable of doing what KPJ can do. That’s their (and our) problem.

[fansinceforever]

Exactly. KPJ is an athlete in a way that none of those other guys are.

[-Jragon-]

I would temper the long term love here for KPJ, Rollins and the other young guys. No analysis should be based on short term performance.

KPJ in particular seems to have an old man's game, meaning he loves the inefficient twos and not very good at the threes. Even in his best year he was inefficient..

KPJ is all about his personal life. Has he matured and can he fit into a team concept. He’s sort of a lesser version of Boogie Cousins in that respect.

I don’t mind the two pointers. We’ve needed a guard who can quickly get into the lane and cause havoc with the floaters. Dame doesn’t do that consistently enough at this point in his career.

I’m also interested as seeing how KPJ does with ball handling under pressure. Another weakness we’ve had.

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

You get around the lower 3% if you can draw work inside and draw fouls getting to the line, that leads to finals appearances (Jimmy Butler)... that's what we'd look for from Kuz/KPJ

[BigO]

KPJ is all about his personal life. Has he matured and can he fit into a team concept. He’s sort of a lesser version of Boogie Cousins in that respect.

I don’t mind the two pointers. We’ve needed a guard who can quickly get into the lane and cause havoc with the floaters. Dame doesn’t do that consistently enough at this point in his career.

I’m also interested as seeing how KPJ does with ball handling under pressure. Another weakness we’ve had.

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

You get around the lower 3% if you can draw work inside and draw fouls getting to the line, that leads to finals appearances (Jimmy Butler)... that's what we'd look for from Kuz/KPJ

I doubt that the Bucks got Kuzma for his foul shooting (60%).

[MickeyDavis]

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

You get around the lower 3% if you can draw work inside and draw fouls getting to the line, that leads to finals appearances (Jimmy Butler)... that's what we'd look for from Kuz/KPJ

I doubt that the Bucks got Kuzma for his foul shooting (60%).

True. Down year for FT but 72% career.

[ShootingtheJ]

Signing KPJ to a longer deal feels more important than signing Bobbby. KPJ is still somehow 24 and looks like he could run the team if Dame goes down

The real question is can KPJ be the PG when Dame gets dealt?

lol...

A former 19 ppg starting PG at age 22 couldn't start again when he's 25?

If the Bucks don't win the title, I'll guarantee you they won't be the one paying Dame $51 million at age 35.

[nagawicka]

I would temper the long term love here for KPJ, Rollins and the other young guys. No analysis should be based on short term performance.

KPJ in particular seems to have an old man's game, meaning he loves the inefficient twos and not very good at the threes. Even in his best year he was inefficient..

KPJ is all about his personal life. Has he matured and can he fit into a team concept. He’s sort of a lesser version of Boogie Cousins in that respect.

I don’t mind the two pointers. We’ve needed a guard who can quickly get into the lane and cause havoc with the floaters. Dame doesn’t do that consistently enough at this point in his career.

I’m also interested as seeing how KPJ does with ball handling under pressure. Another weakness we’ve had.

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

No legit analysis can occur without having seen new acquisitions out on the floor, in a Bucks uniform, doing what they do. Let's be realistic. Categorically rejecting potential contributions from with no first-hand performance data is pretty much bankrupt analysis. Kuzma: 'mediocre', turns out his ball movement is a changemaker for everyone on the floor. realGM changes tune. 'KPJ bad', Porter says "everybody relax". huh. 'Sims a nobody", then predictably the realGM board sees a mobile Big for the first time in their lives, changes tune. Horst didn't go out and get MO-keski he went out and got LESS-keski, Sims obvsly being mobile *and* coordinated enough that it shows up in random clips w the Knicks. (if I stumbled onto those clips it can happen to any one of you). Did anybody say these guys are Bird, MK, and, Kobe? No?

[BigO]

KPJ is all about his personal life. Has he matured and can he fit into a team concept. He’s sort of a lesser version of Boogie Cousins in that respect.

I don’t mind the two pointers. We’ve needed a guard who can quickly get into the lane and cause havoc with the floaters. Dame doesn’t do that consistently enough at this point in his career.

I’m also interested as seeing how KPJ does with ball handling under pressure. Another weakness we’ve had.

1) I agree that ballhandling has been a need.

2) I would love if the NBA went back to somewhat of an old man's game, but right now mid range two pointers, unless you're Khris Middleton, is not a winning formula.

3) There's a reason other than his personal troubles that the Clippers dealt him. He averaged almost 20 minutes a game with them and he was really inefficient. Not sure what's going to change. We can hope. His numbers so far with the Bucks are decent. But let's be realistic.

No legit analysis can occur without having seen new acquisitions out on the floor, in a Bucks uniform, doing what they do. Let's be realistic. Categorically rejecting potential contributions from with no first-hand performance data is pretty much bankrupt analysis. Kuzma: 'mediocre', turns out his ball movement is a changemaker for everyone on the floor. realGM changes tune. 'KPJ bad', Porter says "everybody relax". huh. 'Sims a nobody", then predictably the realGM board sees a mobile Big for the first time in their lives, changes tune. Horst didn't go out and get MO-keski he went out and got LESS-keski, Sims obvsly being mobile *and* coordinated enough that it shows up in clips w the Knicks. Did anybody say these guys are Bird, MK, and, Kobe? No?

Another strawman argument. No one categorically rejected any of the players, but if it strengthens your argument, go for it.

I pointed out the importance of scoring efficiency. I hope KPJ and Kuzma are more efficient than in the past. And if you think athleticsm will make up for inefficiency, when the playoffs are a halfcourt game, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.

[-Jragon-]

Imagine we get PJ and he's rejuvenated being back with the boys ... we'd F people up.. Bobby can plant himself on the bench as an emergency C that we hopefully never need.. next to Pat

[GoldenAntlers]

You get around the lower 3% if you can draw work inside and draw fouls getting to the line, that leads to finals appearances (Jimmy Butler)... that's what we'd look for from Kuz/KPJ

I doubt that the Bucks got Kuzma for his foul shooting (60%).

True. Down year for FT but 72% career.

Maybe the team was instructed to miss to help the tank.

[bucksfansince88]

Do we give KPJ the MLE to stay and give him a bigger bag when dame is off the books?

[JonHeist]

I really hate how much I'm liking KPJ

shrewd move

[tedbrogen]

Do we give KPJ the MLE to stay and give him a bigger bag when dame is off the books?

Ask him to opt in, get him in on some of those real estate deals they let Pat in on, then use his bird rights after next season to give him an equivalent deal.