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Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins)

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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#101 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 23, 2025 11:34 pm

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Klomp wrote:...and if you don't want him in that role, you need to bring in another guy or two who can (like maybe a Kevin Durant?).


Naz Reid. Also DDV. Also potentially Dilly. Also Jaden from inside the arc. The idea you need a 54 million dollar Robin when you have 3 or 4 players (Randle, DDV, Naz, and maybe Jaden,) who can consistently score 20 PPG, is… flawed.


If you want a championship contender level team you do


Not sure I follow. KD is not an auto win button. Karl wasn’t an auto win button either. Robins are great, but they come in many shapes and sizes. If DDV and Naz give you efficient 20s and Jaden an efficient 15-20 why is that not contender level? Especially if Ant is dropping 30+.
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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#102 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:32 pm

winforlose wrote:If DDV and Naz give you efficient 20s and Jaden an efficient 15-20 why is that not contender level? Especially if Ant is dropping 30+.

That's not far off what they're doing now. Are we at championship level? If not, is it fair to expect that big of a leap from each of them in order to get the team to that point?
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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#103 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:54 pm

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winforlose wrote:If DDV and Naz give you efficient 20s and Jaden an efficient 15-20 why is that not contender level? Especially if Ant is dropping 30+.

That's not far off what they're doing now. Are we at championship level? If not, is it fair to expect that big of a leap from each of them in order to get the team to that point?


Last night we dropped 123 with Ant scoring 29 on 21 attempts, Jaden scoring 17 on 15 attempts and Naz scoring 22 on 18 attempts. Having a DDV to give us another 20 and having more efficiency from one or more of the big 3 would help. We can hang with anyone, the problem is our coaching gives players freedom to make bad choices. The lack of system and structure makes hero ball easy to fall into and very hard to prevent. Having a KD to go to end of game to get you a bucket or two is nice, but if he costs you 54 million and isn’t that much of an upgrade to Naz maybe you put that money to use on the rest of the roster to keep the game out of the clutch in the first place.
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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#104 » by TimberKat » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:49 pm

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winforlose wrote:If DDV and Naz give you efficient 20s and Jaden an efficient 15-20 why is that not contender level? Especially if Ant is dropping 30+.

That's not far off what they're doing now. Are we at championship level? If not, is it fair to expect that big of a leap from each of them in order to get the team to that point?


Last night we dropped 123 with Ant scoring 29 on 21 attempts, Jaden scoring 17 on 15 attempts and Naz scoring 22 on 18 attempts. Having a DDV to give us another 20 and having more efficiency from one or more of the big 3 would help. We can hang with anyone, the problem is our coaching gives players freedom to make bad choices. The lack of system and structure makes hero ball easy to fall into and very hard to prevent. Having a KD to go to end of game to get you a bucket or two is nice, but if he costs you 54 million and isn’t that much of an upgrade to Naz maybe you put that money to use on the rest of the roster to keep the game out of the clutch in the first place.

Are you trying to say if we keep Finch, we need a 54mil KD but if we have a more structured coach we don't be need to spend the 54Mil :D ? That is a good business case for a new coach :nod:
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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#105 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:53 pm

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Klomp wrote:That's not far off what they're doing now. Are we at championship level? If not, is it fair to expect that big of a leap from each of them in order to get the team to that point?


Last night we dropped 123 with Ant scoring 29 on 21 attempts, Jaden scoring 17 on 15 attempts and Naz scoring 22 on 18 attempts. Having a DDV to give us another 20 and having more efficiency from one or more of the big 3 would help. We can hang with anyone, the problem is our coaching gives players freedom to make bad choices. The lack of system and structure makes hero ball easy to fall into and very hard to prevent. Having a KD to go to end of game to get you a bucket or two is nice, but if he costs you 54 million and isn’t that much of an upgrade to Naz maybe you put that money to use on the rest of the roster to keep the game out of the clutch in the first place.

Are you trying to say if we keep Finch, we need a 54mil KD but if we have a more structured coach we don't be need to spend the 54Mil :D ? That is a good business case for a new coach :nod:


It’s not really 1 to 1 but it is not that far off. You look at last nights game and this is an example of why you want a KD. Naz missed some key shots in the fourth, some of them wide open. If you knew he would always struggle in the fourth, especially late in the fourth you would say he is an unreliable second option. At the same time, if you had a coach that runs plays that get Naz the ball in spots and set him up, maybe he goes from x% to x% + 5 or 10 from the field. So maybe Naz instead of catch and shoot above the break 3s shoots better in the corners, and Finch runs action with a proper PG to get Naz in the corner from deep. Now instead of (imaginary number,) shooting 35% from above the break he shoots (imaginary number,) 45% from the corner. A better coach gets more out of players with a better scheme. A worse coach relies on the players themselves to go and get points. KD is better than most Wolves at going and getting points. That said he is 37, has a history of being a locker room problem, costs 54 million, is expiring, and adding him hurts our Target championship seasons in Ant’s prime.
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Re: Game 57: Minnesota at Houston, 8:30 pm (The stretch run begins) 

Post#106 » by TimberKat » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:03 am

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Last night we dropped 123 with Ant scoring 29 on 21 attempts, Jaden scoring 17 on 15 attempts and Naz scoring 22 on 18 attempts. Having a DDV to give us another 20 and having more efficiency from one or more of the big 3 would help. We can hang with anyone, the problem is our coaching gives players freedom to make bad choices. The lack of system and structure makes hero ball easy to fall into and very hard to prevent. Having a KD to go to end of game to get you a bucket or two is nice, but if he costs you 54 million and isn’t that much of an upgrade to Naz maybe you put that money to use on the rest of the roster to keep the game out of the clutch in the first place.

Are you trying to say if we keep Finch, we need a 54mil KD but if we have a more structured coach we don't be need to spend the 54Mil :D ? That is a good business case for a new coach :nod:


It’s not really 1 to 1 but it is not that far off. You look at last nights game and this is an example of why you want a KD. Naz missed some key shots in the fourth, some of them wide open. If you knew he would always struggle in the fourth, especially late in the fourth you would say he is an unreliable second option. At the same time, if you had a coach that runs plays that get Naz the ball in spots and set him up, maybe he goes from x% to x% + 5 or 10 from the field. So maybe Naz instead of catch and shoot above the break 3s shoots better in the corners, and Finch runs action with a proper PG to get Naz in the corner from deep. Now instead of (imaginary number,) shooting 35% from above the break he shoots (imaginary number,) 45% from the corner. A better coach gets more out of players with a better scheme. A worse coach relies on the players themselves to go and get points. KD is better than most Wolves at going and getting points. That said he is 37, has a history of being a locker room problem, costs 54 million, is expiring, and adding him hurts our Target championship seasons in Ant’s prime.

Yes, feels like adding a guy that is younger than KD and good locker room guy would be better, maybe someone like NYK's Towns or Luka :D

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