PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging...

[Chanel Bomber]

KAT at the 5 hurts us way more defensively than Randle at the 4. I don't really see how anyone can debate against that. We've seen at first hand. We were able to be a top 10 defense with Randle. We're like at the bottom of the league with KAT at the 5.

You're entitled to your opinion about KAT's best position.

But not making the trade would not have brought iHart back, and wouldn't have made Mitch recover faster. And they were the ones anchoring our defense, not Randle.

Without either iHart or Mitch, our defense would have been just as bad with Randle as it is now.

Chanel, "you're entitled to be WRONG"

[TKKnicks1]

I'm not sure why Thibs doesn't try Mikal off the bench and start Deuce instead. Mikal clearly has more of an offensive game but he's with two ball dominant starters and just doesn't get his touches. Have him run the 2nd unit. IMO Deuce is a better on ball defender than him anyway.

I would love to see this when Mitch comes back:

Mitch/Precious
KAT/Hart
OG/Mikal
Deuce/Shamet
Brunson/Payne

Much more balanced attack.

[nykballa2k4]

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Need to find a way to make him step into being the #3 on this team. Can't afford for him to keep being a worse version of Donte.
His defense has been mediocre, and I know it's partially because there is no one behind him and because he logs a ton of time and never sits out.
Gotta figure out to make him the best version of himself.

The sad thing about him is that he plays so timidly. He is afraid to go to the rim. Would rather shoot a fadeaway jumper on a fast break. Maybe he should watch some Josh hart film. It’s frustrating how soft he plays at times.

He's always been a finesse player. Doesn't mean he has to be passive.
Hart has something you can't really teach.
Bridges should be studying the Butler package. His frame and skillset is a better match

[TKKnicks1]

Need to find a way to make him step into being the #3 on this team. Can't afford for him to keep being a worse version of Donte.
His defense has been mediocre, and I know it's partially because there is no one behind him and because he logs a ton of time and never sits out.
Gotta figure out to make him the best version of himself.

The sad thing about him is that he plays so timidly. He is afraid to go to the rim. Would rather shoot a fadeaway jumper on a fast break. Maybe he should watch some Josh hart film. It’s frustrating how soft he plays at times.

He's always been a finesse player. Doesn't mean he has to be passive.
Hart has something you can't really teach.
Bridges should be studying the Butler package. His frame and skillset is a better match

I feel like he purposely tries to avoid contact to prevent injury. His iron man streak is more important to him than winning.

[Guano]

This is the play me and Melo were laughing about in the game thread

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KAT switching on the screen. The answer to our poor defense

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen?

Some of y'all need to stay off of Twitter.

Posting Celtics nation is nasty work. trying to win the war but at what cost

[Iron Mantis]

This is the play me and Melo were laughing about in the game thread

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KAT switching on the screen. The answer to our poor defense

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen?

Some of y'all need to stay off of Twitter.

Posting Celtics nation is nasty work. trying to win the war but at what cost

Agenda-mongers gonna monger

[HEZI]

This is the play me and Melo were laughing about in the game thread

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KAT switching on the screen. The answer to our poor defense

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen?

Some of y'all need to stay off of Twitter.

Your switch scheme vs drop coverage

[robillionaire]

Has anybody noticed that we are really bad at fast breaks

[HEZI]

This is the play me and Melo were laughing about in the game thread

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KAT switching on the screen. The answer to our poor defense

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen?

Some of y'all need to stay off of Twitter.

Posting Celtics nation is nasty work. trying to win the war but at what cost

That’s melos page, just showing some support

[3toheadmelo]

This is the play me and Melo were laughing about in the game thread

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KAT switching on the screen. The answer to our poor defense

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen?

Some of y'all need to stay off of Twitter.

Your switch scheme vs drop coverage

[FrozenEnvelope]

NGL that hurt me. I was looking forward to this one and honestly thought we'd have a chance to win this but it just gave us the harsh reality that we are too far away this season. And it's not something Mitch is going to fix.

A lot of why we are getting our doors blown off against Boston is the mental and intangibles. Look after the game how we were so quick to hug and laugh it up with the Celtics players. I know today's players were raised differently and everyone is friends with each other but I honestly don't think we can get over this hump until we start to take these losses personally and learn to hate them. I don't sense that with this team. It's like ho hum, no big deal. Not sure how you fix that.

And the Celts are just a bad match up. How ironic we built this team that can blow out 26 other teams but cannot beat the top 3. Leon has a lot of work to do in the summer. We need to get back to being that defensive minded, rebounding, tough resilient team. Or at the very least get better cause this ain't it. And KAT is unplayable against the top teams when at Center.

Well, it's not like we can cancel the season and go home. We still got 25 games left and a first round match up which we should win but cannot see how we close this wide gap this season for that second round match up against these guys. It's like we are walking into a volcano with no answers.

[WargamesX]

NGL that hurt me. I was looking forward to this one and honestly thought we'd have a chance to win this but it just gave us the harsh reality that we are too far away this season. And it's not something Mitch is going to fix.

A lot of why we are getting our doors blown off against Boston is the mental and intangibles. Look after the game how we were so quick to hug and laugh it up with the Celtics players. I know today's players were raised differently and everyone is friends with each other but I honestly don't think we can get over this hump until we start to take these losses personally and learn to hate them. I don't sense that with this team. It's like ho hum, no big deal. Not sure how you fix that.

And the Celts are just a bad match up. How ironic we built this team that can blow out 26 other teams but cannot beat the top 3. Leon has a lot of work to do in the summer. We need to get back to being that defensive minded, rebounding, tough resilient team. Or at the very least get better cause this ain't it. And KAT is unplayable against the top teams when at Center.

Well, it's not like we can cancel the season and go home. We still got 25 games left and a first round match up which we should win but cannot see how we close this wide gap this season for that second round match up against these guys. It's like we are walking into a volcano with no answers.

I just want to say again KaT and Rudy went to the WCF last year. A back court of Mitch/KAT is a lot more dangerous than people realize. It also helps the bench because one of a Hart or Bridges moves to the second unit and we need help there too. 5 out or a 4 out Mitch big at the 5 is also the type of line up Villanova use to win with.

[Loisl]

You're entitled to your opinion about KAT's best position.

But not making the trade would not have brought iHart back, and wouldn't have made Mitch recover faster. And they were the ones anchoring our defense, not Randle.

Without either iHart or Mitch, our defense would have been just as bad with Randle as it is now.

Chanel, "you're entitled to be WRONG"

Chanel is right. I don't understand how anyone can bring Randle into the equation. We were a top defensive Team with or without Randle. It would be the same with KAT if Hartenstein were still a Knick or Mitch healthy.

[dakomish23]

The NBA YouTube page now does every bucket in their highlight videos of games. I was rewatching the CLE game and at least 3x CLE got easy buckets at the rim b/c of Thibs is “defender of screener shows then recovers” scheme. It is a terrible option in the modern NBA, b/c he refuses to tell ppl to help that initial defender of the guy who set the screen. So they’re scrambling to get back to their guy and are out of position to defend a lob or box out or whatever. the same issue would happen when it was Mitch and Hartenstein too.

Then on offense, he puts these bruisers in front of the rim instead of on the baseline for the drop off, preventing a lot of drives at the rim or causing them to be extra contested when ppl do drive all the way.

https://vocal.media/education/what-is-the-dunker-spot-a-closer-look-at-basketball-s-strategic-position

This is like basketball 101 that you learn just playing pick up. Help the helper. Clear the lane. I just don’t get it.

Getting Mitch back isn’t going to be the complete fix ppl think it is

[3toheadmelo]

Jokic says the same thing of us have been saying about our team. I wish we had a Knicks player speak up like this. But they’re too busy doing podcasts

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[FrozenEnvelope]

NGL that hurt me. I was looking forward to this one and honestly thought we'd have a chance to win this but it just gave us the harsh reality that we are too far away this season. And it's not something Mitch is going to fix.

A lot of why we are getting our doors blown off against Boston is the mental and intangibles. Look after the game how we were so quick to hug and laugh it up with the Celtics players. I know today's players were raised differently and everyone is friends with each other but I honestly don't think we can get over this hump until we start to take these losses personally and learn to hate them. I don't sense that with this team. It's like ho hum, no big deal. Not sure how you fix that.

And the Celts are just a bad match up. How ironic we built this team that can blow out 26 other teams but cannot beat the top 3. Leon has a lot of work to do in the summer. We need to get back to being that defensive minded, rebounding, tough resilient team. Or at the very least get better cause this ain't it. And KAT is unplayable against the top teams when at Center.

Well, it's not like we can cancel the season and go home. We still got 25 games left and a first round match up which we should win but cannot see how we close this wide gap this season for that second round match up against these guys. It's like we are walking into a volcano with no answers.

I just want to say again KaT and Rudy went to the WCF last year. A back court of Mitch/KAT is a lot more dangerous than people realize. It also helps the bench because one of a Hart or Bridges moves to the second unit and we need help there too. 5 out or a 4 out Mitch big at the 5 is also the type of line up Villanova use to win with.

OK we start Mitch but then who does KAT guard?

JB --- Holiday
Mikal --- White
OG --- Brown
Mitch --- KP
KAT --- Tatum?

Celts are a nightmare!

[Iron Mantis]

Your switch scheme vs drop coverage

How many times did the Knicks give up a dunk from switching on defense at the top of the key?

How many open 3's did the Knicks give up from playing drop on a screen at the top of the key?

Stop googling "pregnant man porn" and present the data...let's go.

[spree8]

NGL that hurt me. I was looking forward to this one and honestly thought we'd have a chance to win this but it just gave us the harsh reality that we are too far away this season. And it's not something Mitch is going to fix.

A lot of why we are getting our doors blown off against Boston is the mental and intangibles. Look after the game how we were so quick to hug and laugh it up with the Celtics players. I know today's players were raised differently and everyone is friends with each other but I honestly don't think we can get over this hump until we start to take these losses personally and learn to hate them. I don't sense that with this team. It's like ho hum, no big deal. Not sure how you fix that.

And the Celts are just a bad match up. How ironic we built this team that can blow out 26 other teams but cannot beat the top 3. Leon has a lot of work to do in the summer. We need to get back to being that defensive minded, rebounding, tough resilient team. Or at the very least get better cause this ain't it. And KAT is unplayable against the top teams when at Center.

Well, it's not like we can cancel the season and go home. We still got 25 games left and a first round match up which we should win but cannot see how we close this wide gap this season for that second round match up against these guys. It's like we are walking into a volcano with no answers.

I don’t know how anyone expected to win or be competitive today. That’s puzzling to say the least. It’s not just the Celtics that are a bad matchup… Even the mainstream is covering how we suck against the top teams… 0-7 now. Why would anything change with a coach who doesn’t change?

[TheGreenArrow]

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[prophet_of_rage]

I know this isn't on the Knicks because they could only offer iHart 18m a year but they did bungle the first signing and not give him 3 years right?

Look at some of the biggest plays last year and iHart is in the middle of it. Whether its tapping out, grabbing offensive rebound or making a crisp pass. He was our elite defender in the middle with some semblance on the offense end.

Yes.

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