2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[AleksandarN]

Just seems like all his bad games come against the tougher opponents while SGA is raising his level of play against the best.

What’s more likely? That’s there some flaw in Jokic’s play style that causes him to underperform against strong opponents or it’s just small sample size noise? If you look at Jokic’s career, he tends to hold his impact against strong opponents which makes me think it’s just small sample size noise. As regards to SGA, I’d like to see a bigger multi-year sample of his outperforming against strong teams before I chalk it up to anything other than just small sample size noise

Unfortunately for you, MVP is based on this season and not the past

Poor Fatkic, but I'm sure he'll be ready for his next game against the Hornets or Wizards!

Fatkic?? Really what are you 12? You should grow up and act like an adult. Maybe you get some respect for your takes. Why not build up your guy SGA instead of attacking others. It is sad bro

[RRR3]

Sorry bub, but if we awarded the MVP based on the past we might as well give it to Shaq. Fact is, Jokic has struggled (for his standards) against the tougher competition this year and that matters in a race that's neck and neck when SGA has been dominant against the elite teams.

What do you personally think is more likely: that Jokic has some flaw in his play type that causes him to underperform against tougher teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

Idk we've never seen Jokic beat a 50 win team in the playoffs, it's not like he has some amazing track record against elite teams. And even if he did, it's based on this year only, and it's a close race like I said. You gotta nitpick when it's this close, and stuff like this is giving SGA the edge.

[Special_Puppy]

Sorry bub, but if we awarded the MVP based on the past we might as well give it to Shaq. Fact is, Jokic has struggled (for his standards) against the tougher competition this year and that matters in a race that's neck and neck when SGA has been dominant against the elite teams.

What do you personally think is more likely: that Jokic has some flaw in his play type that causes him to underperform against tougher teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

Idk we've never seen Jokic beat a 50 win team in the playoffs, it's not like he has some amazing track record against elite teams. And even if he did, it's based on this year only, and it's a close race like I said. You gotta nitpick when it's this close, and stuff like this is giving SGA the edge.

You didn’t answer my question. What do you personally think is more likely: that’s there’s some flaw in Jokic’s play style that causes him to be less impactful against strong teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

[RRR3]

What do you personally think is more likely: that Jokic has some flaw in his play type that causes him to underperform against tougher teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

Idk we've never seen Jokic beat a 50 win team in the playoffs, it's not like he has some amazing track record against elite teams. And even if he did, it's based on this year only, and it's a close race like I said. You gotta nitpick when it's this close, and stuff like this is giving SGA the edge.

You didn’t answer my question. What do you personally think is more likely: that’s there’s some flaw in Jokic’s play style that causes him to be less impactful against strong teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

Very irritating that you think spamming the same thing over and over again is a legitimate debate strategy. You've done it throughout this thread, too.

[Special_Puppy]

Idk we've never seen Jokic beat a 50 win team in the playoffs, it's not like he has some amazing track record against elite teams. And even if he did, it's based on this year only, and it's a close race like I said. You gotta nitpick when it's this close, and stuff like this is giving SGA the edge.

You didn’t answer my question. What do you personally think is more likely: that’s there’s some flaw in Jokic’s play style that causes him to be less impactful against strong teams or it’s just small sample size noise?

Very irritating that you think spamming the same thing over and over again is a legitimate debate strategy. You've done it throughout this thread, too.

I ask questions and people totally avoid answer them for whatever reason

[bmurph128]

Jokic is leading this poll over SGA...?

This is the easiest MVP race in recent history here, c'mon yall

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic is leading this poll over SGA...?

This is the easiest MVP race in recent history here, c'mon yall

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

[MaliBrah]

This run OKC went on after Shai subbed back in. This is the MVP in 2024/2025 man. Scoring , Playmaking , Defence , Leadership , everything.

First 4 minutes Shai on bench 14-2 Wolves , Next 4 minutes when Shai subs in down 5 , 18-2 for OKC

[EmpireFalls]

Congrats to the Canadian in OKC

[Special_Puppy]

This run OKC went on after Shai subbed back in. This is the MVP in 2024/2025 man. Scoring , Playmaking , Defence , Leadership , everything.

First 4 minutes Shai on bench 14-2 Wolves , Next 4 minutes when Shai subs in down 5 , 18-2 for OKC

Yeah SGA is having an ATG season and this game is a good encapsulation of it

[Big J]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

[Special_Puppy]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

You’re a homer if you’re arguing for the player who’s basically tied with the “clear choice” in traditional and advanced stats? Both Jokic and SGA are having ATG seasons and you can’t go wrong picking either one

[Big J]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

You’re a homer if you’re arguing for the player who’s basically tied with the “clear choice” in traditional and advanced stats? Both Jokic and SGA are having ATG seasons and you can’t go wrong picking either one

You can go wrong because the biggest tiebreaker with MVP is always win loss record.

[bmurph128]

Jokic is leading this poll over SGA...?

This is the easiest MVP race in recent history here, c'mon yall

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

[RRR3]

It's close in terms of how good they actually are, but based on historical voting trends it will likely be a blowout in favor of SGA.

[Jaqua92]

It's close in terms of how good they actually are, but based on historical voting trends it will likely be a blowout in favor of SGA.

It's not close in terms of how good they are.

Its not close based on historical voting trends.

But after all this, bad look if OKC doesn't get to the fjnals.

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic is leading this poll over SGA...?

This is the easiest MVP race in recent history here, c'mon yall

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

How much do the difference in net rating do you think is because of SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA’s supporting cast being more valuable than Jokic’s this season?

[Jaqua92]

Jokic is leading this poll over SGA...?

This is the easiest MVP race in recent history here, c'mon yall

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

The Thunder have 2 all stars and the best defensive roster in the NBA.

Even without Chet, this is the second most talented roster in the NBA.

I dont understand why people can't accept that SGA can be MVP, but is not playing as well as Jokic

[Special_Puppy]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

You’re a homer if you’re arguing for the player who’s basically tied with the “clear choice” in traditional and advanced stats? Both Jokic and SGA are having ATG seasons and you can’t go wrong picking either one

You can go wrong because the biggest tiebreaker with MVP is always win loss record.

How much do the difference in net rating do you think is because of SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA’s supporting cast being more valuable than Jokic’s this season?

[Big J]

You’re a homer if you’re arguing for the player who’s basically tied with the “clear choice” in traditional and advanced stats? Both Jokic and SGA are having ATG seasons and you can’t go wrong picking either one

You can go wrong because the biggest tiebreaker with MVP is always win loss record.

How much do the difference in net rating do you think is because of SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA’s supporting cast being more valuable than Jokic’s this season?

SGA has been without Chet for most of the season. He’s carrying those dudes.