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2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

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Who do you want us to take at #3?

Ace Bailey
34
45%
V.J. Edgecombe
20
27%
Kon Knueppel
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4%
Khaman Maluach
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1%
Tre Johnson
14
19%
Derik Queen
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4%
 
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#261 » by Kobblehead » Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:49 am

stormi wrote:Was Cade Cunningham a superior prospect to Dylan Harper?

Yes. Mainly due to size and Cade took over late in a lot of games and willed his bad team to more wins. Cade being 6'6" turned out to be a disapointment. Dylan actually being 6'6" would be a major win for him. I expect him more in the 6'4" range. Same with Kasperas.
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Post#262 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:24 am

Is Ace Bailey a superior prospect than Jabari Smith Jr.? How big is the gap?
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Post#263 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:25 am

Yea Wesley Yates is a first rounder actually. Hiding in plain sight. If he is 6’5 in shoes (which I doubt) then we’re talking top 15 this year.
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Post#264 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:28 am

I think Dylan Harper would be a perfect fit alongside Maxey. He has the size, scoring, and playmaking ability to complement him, essentially filling the role Harden once played for us. With Harper running the offense, Maxey can thrive in his natural role as an overqualified third option—capitalizing on defensive attention drawn to the primary ball handler and Embiid.
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Post#265 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:20 pm

76ciology wrote:Is Ace Bailey a superior prospect than Jabari Smith Jr.? How big is the gap?


In some ways, yes but I see them as totally different prospects. Jabari Smith is a defensive center who had C&S ability from 3 out of college. I think he has a high floor as a premium role player in the league.

Ace has the ability to be an iso scorer at 6'10 which has the upside of a superstar. The problem is that Oubre has the same skillset and.... well, you know how it's going with Kelly.
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Post#266 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:45 pm

76ciology wrote:I think Dylan Harper would be a perfect fit alongside Maxey. He has the size, scoring, and playmaking ability to complement him, essentially filling the role Harden once played for us. With Harper running the offense, Maxey can thrive in his natural role as an overqualified third option—capitalizing on defensive attention drawn to the primary ball handler and Embiid.


I'll accept Harper. If we can leave with one of Flagg, Harper, or Queen, then I'm feeling pretty good.
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Post#267 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:30 pm

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Unlike Edgecombe, Yates shows the handles and, more importantly, the frame to become a Maxey or Mitchell. Just look at his splits between being a starter and a guy off the bench. His scoring numbers when they handed him the keys are on par with any of the top guard picks in the draft.
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Post#268 » by Kobblehead » Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:13 pm

76ciology wrote:Is Ace Bailey a superior prospect than Jabari Smith Jr.? How big is the gap?

I think Jabari Smith was the better prospect, but also a quite different player. Jabari Smith was basically a big at Auburn and continues to be a big at the NBA level.

Ace Bailey will most definitely play the wing spot. He's a nearly identical player and prospect to Andrew Wiggins at the same point of their careers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ace-bailey--andrew-wiggins
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Post#269 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:41 am

Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote:I think Dylan Harper would be a perfect fit alongside Maxey. He has the size, scoring, and playmaking ability to complement him, essentially filling the role Harden once played for us. With Harper running the offense, Maxey can thrive in his natural role as an overqualified third option—capitalizing on defensive attention drawn to the primary ball handler and Embiid.


I'll accept Harper. If we can leave with one of Flagg, Harper, or Queen, then I'm feeling pretty good.


Jakucionis would be a good alternative to Harper. Also have the size and the skillset to play with Maxey
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Post#270 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:43 am

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76ciology wrote:Is Ace Bailey a superior prospect than Jabari Smith Jr.? How big is the gap?

I think Jabari Smith was the better prospect, but also a quite different player. Jabari Smith was basically a big at Auburn and continues to be a big at the NBA level.

Ace Bailey will most definitely play the wing spot. He's a nearly identical player and prospect to Andrew Wiggins at the same point of their careers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ace-bailey--andrew-wiggins


Sorry but how is a prospect with Wiggins comparison being considered as a top 5 pick?
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Post#271 » by Negrodamus » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:48 am

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:I think Dylan Harper would be a perfect fit alongside Maxey. He has the size, scoring, and playmaking ability to complement him, essentially filling the role Harden once played for us. With Harper running the offense, Maxey can thrive in his natural role as an overqualified third option—capitalizing on defensive attention drawn to the primary ball handler and Embiid.


I'll accept Harper. If we can leave with one of Flagg, Harper, or Queen, then I'm feeling pretty good.


Jakucionis would be a good alternative to Harper. Also have the size and the skillset to play with Maxey


I don't trust his size (yet) nor his defense translating to the NBA enough to take top 5, unfortunately. Still like him a lot, but he's just on the outside looking in.
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Post#272 » by Kobblehead » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:54 am

76ciology wrote:Sorry but how is a prospect with Wiggins comparison being considered as a top 5 pick?


Because if he develops his passing tool, he's got Hall of Fame upside. It's almost always worth the gamble when it comes to guys with this kind of size/athleticism/scoring ability.

If he develops his passing, he can be McGrady / Grant Hill/ Paul George.

If he doesn't, he'll be Wiggins. Even Wiggins put up insane numbers in his career and was a key ancillary piece for a championship team.
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Post#273 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:55 am

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76ciology wrote:Sorry but how is a prospect with Wiggins comparison being considered as a top 5 pick?


Because if he develops his passing tool, he's got Hall of Fame upside. It's almost always worth the gamble when it comes to guys with this kind of size/athleticism/scoring ability.

If he develops his passing, he can be McGrady / Grant Hill/ Paul George.

If he doesn't, he'll be Wiggins. Even Wiggins put up insane numbers in his career and was a key ancillary piece for a championship team.


You can say the same thing with Tre Johnson, while Johnson is likely to reach that upside and is already more advanced as a scorer.
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Post#274 » by Kobblehead » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:07 am

76ciology wrote:You can say the same thing with Tre Johnson, while Johnson is likely to reach that upside and is already more advanced as a scorer.


Tre Johnson has no defensive upside, though. He's a slightly above-average athletically, offense-only SG. Probably with a true measurement around 6'4" or 6'5". With him you're hoping for Devin Booker, Tyler Herro, or Zach Lavine (without the twitch).
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Post#275 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:21 am

Jase Richardson. Top 10 talent.

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Post#276 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:59 am

Collin Murray Boyles is another prospect that should be top 10.

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Post#277 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:12 am

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76ciology wrote:You can say the same thing with Tre Johnson, while Johnson is likely to reach that upside and is already more advanced as a scorer.


Tre Johnson has no defensive upside, though. He's a slightly above-average athletically, offense-only SG. Probably with a true measurement around 6'4" or 6'5". With him you're hoping for Devin Booker, Tyler Herro, or Zach Lavine (without the twitch).


So basically bigger Tyrese Maxey with better iso scoring?
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Post#278 » by Negrodamus » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:29 am

I was underwhelmed by Collin Murray-Boyles when he played again UK. Felt like he made little to no impact. Maybe just caught a bad one.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#279 » by stormi » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:21 am

76ciology wrote:Collin Murray Boyles is another prospect that should be top 10.



So CMB is interesting because where I feel like Derik Queen is individually the more talented player, Murray-Boyles seems a lot more projectable into an impact NBA role.

Truly positionally versatile defensively with the upside of being one of the very best in the league. I think he has real 1-5 range at 6'7. He's flashed some off the dribble creativity but as it stands plays more like a SB5.

Feels like an Aaron Gordon type of player at the next level without the lob threat if you stuck him next to a high level big. Dunker spot, cutting, gritty buckets around the rim.
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Post#280 » by Negrodamus » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:35 pm

https://youtu.be/8oWbSrN8ysw?si=jzX4iYYy36SjfWw_&t=198

I think Queen's lateral movement is very underrated. Multiple times he was put on an island against USC guards and he held his own. His hands are also quite good. I have no issue believing he could be a PF at the next level. I also believe that shot will translate.

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