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Syd-TK3 wrote:That was a great game from Harper I have zero concerns about the shooting that kids gonna be a star
... This kid is on a different level compared to RJ when it comes to offensive feel.
XTC wrote:Spates wrote:XTC wrote:
Fleming is my guy, but Barkley that can shoot 3's is a generational prospect bro lol.
He pans out to be a Covington/OG Anunoby IMO.
CMB is a closer comparison to Barkley, I think. Similar post/ground-and-pound game. Fleming looks more like a slasher offensively.
Big CMB fan, his defensive instincts and IQ are next level. I could see Draymond 2.0 in the right situation (I can't see it with us).
If he lands on a team like the Spurs, their defense is going to be nasty.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
Psubs wrote:In the 8-10 range, the Raptors need a power finisher. I'll keep bringing up Rasheer Fleming. His ceiling is Charles Barkely that can shoot 3's better.Zion is probably the closest to Charles Barkley physically.
I look at the Spurs and I don't think they have enough 3pt shooting around Wemby to be true contenders next year. Fox can's shoot, Vassell looks average, Castle can't shoot. Harrison Barnes can shoot but he's getting old. If the Raptors don't draft Fleming, I think San Antonio could take him shortly after.
XTC wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:That was a great game from Harper I have zero concerns about the shooting that kids gonna be a star
Harper - Shooting, playmaking, offensive bag
Kid is probably the best offensive player in the draft when it comes to pure offense IMO. I read a couple pages back that he was being compared to RJ
Syd-TK3 wrote:That was a great game from Harper I have zero concerns about the shooting that kids gonna be a star
Rapsfan07 wrote:Psubs wrote:In the 8-10 range, the Raptors need a power finisher. I'll keep bringing up Rasheer Fleming. His ceiling is Charles Barkely that can shoot 3's better.
I look at the Spurs and I don't think they have enough 3pt shooting around Wemby to be true contenders next year. Fox can's shoot, Vassell looks average, Castle can't shoot. Harrison Barnes can shoot but he's getting old. If the Raptors don't draft Fleming, I think San Antonio could take him shortly after.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I'm REALLY hoping for a Top 4 pick but if it doesn't happen, we need to trade down.
There are few guys in the middle range of the draft that I think would be great contributors to what should be a playoff team next year. I've said it before but my guys in the middle of the first round are Richardson, Flemming, Sorber and Wolf. IMO, all of the them project to be immediate or near immediate contributors off the bench right away.
Wolf has the best chance at being a star but I don't know how likely he is to get there. Maybe he's Jokic/Markannen at best or Olynyk at worst.
I don't see a star in Richardson but maybe a Avery Bradley/Norman Powell type? Very valuable but measurements will be key.
Don't see a star in Sorber either but he could be a very reliable defensive bench C to backup Poeltl.
Flemming is at the top of my list. I like all of these guys but with Boucher on an expiring deal and probably not coming back, we're going to be need a solid backup for Barnes. Flemming projects to be exactly what we're looking for at the position. He's able to defend well, shoot the 3 and rebound. Can't ask for more than that. In order of preference, I have Flemming, Richardson, Sorber & Wolf.
Brooklyn has 5 picks in this draft and there's no way they bring in 5 rookies. If we land between 5-8, I would look to trade the pick + 39 for 21, 23 & 25.
Rapsfan07 wrote:XTC wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:That was a great game from Harper I have zero concerns about the shooting that kids gonna be a star
Harper - Shooting, playmaking, offensive bag
Kid is probably the best offensive player in the draft when it comes to pure offense IMO. I read a couple pages back that he was being compared to RJ
He's amazing. Dude is going to be a stud in the NBA.
Rapsfan07 wrote:Psubs wrote:In the 8-10 range, the Raptors need a power finisher. I'll keep bringing up Rasheer Fleming. His ceiling is Charles Barkely that can shoot 3's better.
I look at the Spurs and I don't think they have enough 3pt shooting around Wemby to be true contenders next year. Fox can's shoot, Vassell looks average, Castle can't shoot. Harrison Barnes can shoot but he's getting old. If the Raptors don't draft Fleming, I think San Antonio could take him shortly after.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I'm REALLY hoping for a Top 4 pick but if it doesn't happen, we need to trade down.
There are few guys in the middle range of the draft that I think would be great contributors to what should be a playoff team next year. I've said it before but my guys in the middle of the first round are Richardson, Flemming, Sorber and Wolf. IMO, all of the them project to be immediate or near immediate contributors off the bench right away.
Wolf has the best chance at being a star but I don't know how likely he is to get there. Maybe he's Jokic/Markannen at best or Olynyk at worst.
I don't see a star in Richardson but maybe a Avery Bradley/Norman Powell type? Very valuable but measurements will be key.
Don't see a star in Sorber either but he could be a very reliable defensive bench C to backup Poeltl.
Flemming is at the top of my list. I like all of these guys but with Boucher on an expiring deal and probably not coming back, we're going to be need a solid backup for Barnes. Flemming projects to be exactly what we're looking for at the position. He's able to defend well, shoot the 3 and rebound. Can't ask for more than that. In order of preference, I have Flemming, Richardson, Sorber & Wolf.
Brooklyn has 5 picks in this draft and there's no way they bring in 5 rookies. If we land between 5-8, I would look to trade the pick + 39 for 21, 23 & 25.
With have so many players that go soft to the hole and beg for fouls. Just dunk that shizz.
His 3 reminds me of Kawhi. Thaddy wrote:Rapsfan07 wrote:Psubs wrote:In the 8-10 range, the Raptors need a power finisher. I'll keep bringing up Rasheer Fleming. His ceiling is Charles Barkely that can shoot 3's better.
I look at the Spurs and I don't think they have enough 3pt shooting around Wemby to be true contenders next year. Fox can's shoot, Vassell looks average, Castle can't shoot. Harrison Barnes can shoot but he's getting old. If the Raptors don't draft Fleming, I think San Antonio could take him shortly after.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I'm REALLY hoping for a Top 4 pick but if it doesn't happen, we need to trade down.
There are few guys in the middle range of the draft that I think would be great contributors to what should be a playoff team next year. I've said it before but my guys in the middle of the first round are Richardson, Flemming, Sorber and Wolf. IMO, all of the them project to be immediate or near immediate contributors off the bench right away.
Wolf has the best chance at being a star but I don't know how likely he is to get there. Maybe he's Jokic/Markannen at best or Olynyk at worst.
I don't see a star in Richardson but maybe a Avery Bradley/Norman Powell type? Very valuable but measurements will be key.
Don't see a star in Sorber either but he could be a very reliable defensive bench C to backup Poeltl.
Flemming is at the top of my list. I like all of these guys but with Boucher on an expiring deal and probably not coming back, we're going to be need a solid backup for Barnes. Flemming projects to be exactly what we're looking for at the position. He's able to defend well, shoot the 3 and rebound. Can't ask for more than that. In order of preference, I have Flemming, Richardson, Sorber & Wolf.
Brooklyn has 5 picks in this draft and there's no way they bring in 5 rookies. If we land between 5-8, I would look to trade the pick + 39 for 21, 23 & 25.
That's a terrible idea. We need top end talent that could be core pieces. Even in the 7+ range we could find someone like Fears who fits that bill.
Psubs wrote:Rapsfan07 wrote:XTC wrote:
Harper - Shooting, playmaking, offensive bag
Kid is probably the best offensive player in the draft when it comes to pure offense IMO. I read a couple pages back that he was being compared to RJ
He's amazing. Dude is going to be a stud in the NBA.
I'm thinking James Harden 2.0.
Rapsfan07 wrote:I don't disagree with the bolded but I don't think anyone outside of the Top 4 is going to be that single difference maker. I would rather hit some singles or doubles with later role player types that can fill the bench with some much needed cheap depth than to swing on a guy like Fears or Maluach who I don't think are going to be as good at the NBA level.
For example, Fears is alright to me but if he's going in the lottery, is he worth NOT getting say Flemming AND RIchardson? Is he or does he project to be better than IQ? Because if not, we already have a bench PG in Shead and could take another one much later in the draft like Richardson.
Same thing with Maluach. What does he do or project to do so much better than say Sorber or Condon that we should forego the value we could obtain by moving down and grabbing one of them as well as whatever other value we would acquire in the process?
Of course no one has a crystal ball so we can't know for sure and we can only work with the information we have at right now but as far as this draft goes, the only guys who I think can change the fortunes of a franchise are Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe and MAYBE Bailey.
Ell Curry wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:That was a great game from Harper I have zero concerns about the shooting that kids gonna be a star
I really like him, too. I could see him not being that efficient for a few years until he develops his shot, but I do think he'll be able to change speed and get buckets, pass the ball well, size makes him passable on defence from a team perspective (bit of switching, rebounding) and run an offence well.
If we got him, I think we're suddenly in really good shape. Harper and Quickley in the backcourt, Ingram-Barnes-Poeltl is good size in the frontcourt, definitely light on shooting, but Walter-Dick-RJ off the bench addresses that a bit.
Ideally we'd find a stretch 5 but those are tough. Would have all of our future 1sts if a Porzingis type ever becomes available. Scottie's shooting could also improve and then we're fine with one traditional big out there in Poeltl, who is efficient and gets his stuff in the flow of an offense.
I think we'd basically avoid bad possessions with Harper running things, 5 guys who are all probably slightly above average passers at their positions (maybe Harper takes 2 years to get there, I'm counting him as the PG on O and the SG on D with Quickley flipped) and bail out Ingram shots at the end of possessions is a good floor, he's over 50% from 10-16 feet the last 4 years. His issues are more the longer 2s and we can probably cut those out almost entirely with Harper getting the other teams in rotation and moving the ball well and the threat of Quickley outside and Barnes and Poeltl going to the rim.
HumbleRen wrote:TorontoBarneys wrote:HumbleRen wrote:So who are the guys in the 8-10 range? I think our pick will land there.
Fears, Newell and Khaman seem like the likely guys.
I think Maluach has a pretty good shot of going top 5 if a team likes him enough.
I’d be shocked if he does. Low motor, weak rebounding and his feel for the game is meh.
Psubs wrote:Rapsfan07 wrote:I don't disagree with the bolded but I don't think anyone outside of the Top 4 is going to be that single difference maker. I would rather hit some singles or doubles with later role player types that can fill the bench with some much needed cheap depth than to swing on a guy like Fears or Maluach who I don't think are going to be as good at the NBA level.
For example, Fears is alright to me but if he's going in the lottery, is he worth NOT getting say Flemming AND RIchardson? Is he or does he project to be better than IQ? Because if not, we already have a bench PG in Shead and could take another one much later in the draft like Richardson.
Same thing with Maluach. What does he do or project to do so much better than say Sorber or Condon that we should forego the value we could obtain by moving down and grabbing one of them as well as whatever other value we would acquire in the process?
Of course no one has a crystal ball so we can't know for sure and we can only work with the information we have at right now but as far as this draft goes, the only guys who I think can change the fortunes of a franchise are Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe and MAYBE Bailey.
Everything looks shiny. Outside of those 4, is Jak going to be able to be better than IQ with his shooting and A/T? Is Trey Johnson going to be much better than RJ Barrett? Probably shooting % but we have a glut at SG.
Raptors hit on #19, #31, #45, #57 and UDFA. That's amazing and I trust the talent evaluators to trade a non-top 4 pick and the Portland 2nd into Fleming and Condon.
PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Dick - Jakobe
SF Barrett - Mogbo - Battle
PF Barnes - Fleming - Mogbo
C Poeltl - Condon - Fleming
905 - Chomche
ATLTimekeeper wrote:HumbleRen wrote:TorontoBarneys wrote:
I think Maluach has a pretty good shot of going top 5 if a team likes him enough.
I’d be shocked if he does. Low motor, weak rebounding and his feel for the game is meh.
Maluach's 16.7 Orebound rate is really high for a freshman. Not sure I see low motor or a weak rebounder with this kid. Feel for the game is not that important for that type of player. He just has to stay big and stay at home. Does a nice job of contesting shots without fouling. I'm interested in seeing what the numbers look like challenging in the paint. Not a lot of players go at him.
Rapsfan07 wrote:Mogbo is more of a third string type guy for me, which is why I want Fleming as N. I like Richardson though we'll see how his measurements turn out but he'd be behind Shead in the depth chart at PG. Raptors need to make a decision on Agbaji or DIck and either one of them will will be sharing minutes behind Barrett at SG
PG: IQ/Shead/Richardson
SG: Barrett/Dick/Walter
SF: Ingram/Agbaji/Walter
PF: Barnes/Fleming/Mogbo
C: Poeltl/Condon/Chomche
Raps will have to make a decision on keeping either Agbaji or Dick because we can't keep both long term. But that team looks fairly decent to me. Virtually a lock for the playoffs with cheap contracts on the bench. We could use another vet if money allows.
dballislife wrote:lively was an almost 1 year older rookie than maluach...he only put up 5 and 5 on 2 blocks, and at 7'1 215 pounds
maluach 7'2 250 with longer arms then lively is putting up just as good or better numbers at almost a year younger and a lot bigger
dballislife wrote:lively was an almost 1 year older rookie than maluach...he only put up 5 and 5 on 2 blocks, and at 7'1 215 pounds
maluach 7'2 250 with longer arms then lively is putting up just as good or better numbers at almost a year younger and a lot bigger
Yallbecrazy wrote:dballislife wrote:lively was an almost 1 year older rookie than maluach...he only put up 5 and 5 on 2 blocks, and at 7'1 215 pounds
maluach 7'2 250 with longer arms then lively is putting up just as good or better numbers at almost a year younger and a lot bigger
What?
Lively had 1.0 steal and 4.7 blocks per 40 and 5.3 fouls.
He also had 2.1 assists and 1.3 turnovers.
Malauch has 0.3 steals and 2.1 blocks per 40 and 3.9 fouls.
He has 0.9 assists and 1.3 turnovers.