2024-25 General Thread

[OxAndFox]

Does anyone here actually believe that Monte will be a part of the Kings next season?
Does anyone here actually believe that Doug will be HC of the Kings next season?
Would anyone hire Wes as GM for the Kings next season?

Hiring wes would be diabolical. Like pouring gas to put out a fire.

Sadly we are screwed until vivek moves onto his next big venture. Top 5 worst owners. But ill always be optimistic that eventually he hires someone and backs off. Tear down and rebuild

Oh absolutely. And I wasn't putting that in there because its something I would advocate for. Absolutely NOT.
I just think its in the realm of possibilities even though a full tear down of everything needs to happen.

[OGSactownballer]

Worst case scenario in the standings is now, 10th and getting popped in the playins. Team needs to make a run or keep this top twelve protected pick. Given the schedule, it will probably be the latter at this point.. If we don't start looking good I might have to start rooting against this team to win

No.

Worst case scenario is MISSING the play in but not being bad enough at this point to stay at 12.

That would be the complete nightmare. I’d rather see them maintain the tenth spot and have a punchers chance at getting in for at least a round than that nightmare of nothing.

[OGSactownballer]

Worst case scenario in the standings is now, 10th and getting popped in the playins. Team needs to make a run or keep this top twelve protected pick. Given the schedule, it will probably be the latter at this point.. If we don't start looking good I might have to start rooting against this team to win

Agreed. I just can't see this team keeping the 10th seed. Feels like everyone has been saying it all season, but Phoenix can't keep on playing poorly can they?

The issue for a Phoenix isn’t simply poor play though.

It’s a combination of age/injury and a complete lack of any real effective depth.

Amazingly the bough they have better “stars” than we do even before the deadline, but they are in a worse situation because of the money tied up in those three.
It’s why in the end I am actually fine with having moved Fox because his looming max was a Beal like trap.

[KF10]

At the very least, they need to change their starting lineup. Monk, Lavine & DDR glut does not work collectively together. Too much O weird energy and zero D intensity.

Need to add Keon into the starting lineup.

I think Lavine is the odd man out.

I get the feeling Monk will go back to the bench. At least until someone finds the Monstar that took his talent.

I like Monk as the 6th man since this is his true 'perfect' role for him but who will be the starting PG? Monk doesn't look as good as the starting PG as I wanted but he is the most competent PG in the roster, imo. They just need to return to the P&R centric offense with Sabonis. Not sure why they went away from this. Oh wait. I know. They added Lavine & DDR and their games are ISO heavy. Lavine in the starting lineup makes the Monk fit look worse in the starting 5, imo. That is why they need to have one of them move to the bench. They will not change their games at this point of the career. Doug will need to be tough and bench one of them.

Lavine, Keon aren't PGs at all. Fultz isn't starting game ready either. Carter is still far away from starting. Monk at PG still a go in my eyes...until we find something better.

[OxAndFox]

At the very least, they need to change their starting lineup. Monk, Lavine & DDR glut does not work collectively together. Too much O weird energy and zero D intensity.

Need to add Keon into the starting lineup.

I think Lavine is the odd man out.

I get the feeling Monk will go back to the bench. At least until someone finds the Monstar that took his talent.

I like Monk as the 6th man since this is his true 'perfect' role for him but who will be the starting PG? Monk doesn't look as good as the starting PG as I wanted but he is the most competent PG in the roster, imo. They just need to return to the P&R centric offense with Sabonis. Not sure why they went away from this. Oh wait. I know. They added Lavine & DDR and their games are ISO heavy. Lavine in the starting lineup makes the Monk fit look worse in the starting 5, imo. That is why they need to have one of them move to the bench. They will not change their games at this point of the career. Doug will need to be tough and bench one of them.

Lavine, Keon aren't PGs at all. Fultz isn't starting game ready either. Carter is still far away from starting. Monk at PG still a go in my eyes...until we find something better.

I agree with that TBH. Just don't think its the way they will go.
FWIW I think Doug will go with Lavine/DDR being the defacto PG. This is what's largely been happening anyway.

I also think we should get ready on a Keon back to the starting line up and what that's going to be. He is going to do his thing and it will improve the Kings overall, but there's only so much he can do on the defensive end. Don't be shocked if it doesn't "fix" the Kings because it's not. Not suggesting someone like yourself is thinking that way, just that this is a jigsaw puzzle that was gaining momentum and was then thrown off the table and the pieces need to be put back together again. It's just the pieces don't fit at this point.

[KF10]

I get the feeling Monk will go back to the bench. At least until someone finds the Monstar that took his talent.

I like Monk as the 6th man since this is his true 'perfect' role for him but who will be the starting PG? Monk doesn't look as good as the starting PG as I wanted but he is the most competent PG in the roster, imo. They just need to return to the P&R centric offense with Sabonis. Not sure why they went away from this. Oh wait. I know. They added Lavine & DDR and their games are ISO heavy. Lavine in the starting lineup makes the Monk fit look worse in the starting 5, imo. That is why they need to have one of them move to the bench. They will not change their games at this point of the career. Doug will need to be tough and bench one of them.

Lavine, Keon aren't PGs at all. Fultz isn't starting game ready either. Carter is still far away from starting. Monk at PG still a go in my eyes...until we find something better.

I agree with that TBH. Just don't think its the way they will go.
FWIW I think Doug will go with Lavine/DDR being the defacto PG. This is what's largely been happening anyway.

I also think we should get ready on a Keon back to the starting line up and what that's going to be. He is going to do his thing and it will improve the Kings overall, but there's only so much he can do on the defensive end. Don't be shocked if it doesn't "fix" the Kings because it's not. Not suggesting someone like yourself is thinking that way, just that this is a jigsaw puzzle that was gaining momentum and was then thrown off the table and the pieces need to be put back together again. It's just the pieces don't fit at this point.

The DDR & Lavine show didn't work in Chicago, and it will not work in Sacramento, imo. Unless there is a complete change on how the team plays i.e. return to the Sabonis DHO/PNR centric offense. Please, no more of this 'my turn, your turn' offense between Monk, Lavine, DDR mess. It is an eye sore. Losing to crappy teams because these guy's ego are too inflated.

Sabonis is the best player on the roster. He needs to be highlighted 100%. I don't care of "but DDR is a HOF!!!" narrative...nope. Dude is 35 and at the end of his career. I would roll with Sabonis over DDR 10/10 times. Doug needs to rapidly adjust his tactics...if not..he will get the boot in the off season.

And yes, Keon at the 2 needs to be done 100%. It will not fix all the problems but it will balance the starting lineup to the positive direction.

[OxAndFox]

I like Monk as the 6th man since this is his true 'perfect' role for him but who will be the starting PG? Monk doesn't look as good as the starting PG as I wanted but he is the most competent PG in the roster, imo. They just need to return to the P&R centric offense with Sabonis. Not sure why they went away from this. Oh wait. I know. They added Lavine & DDR and their games are ISO heavy. Lavine in the starting lineup makes the Monk fit look worse in the starting 5, imo. That is why they need to have one of them move to the bench. They will not change their games at this point of the career. Doug will need to be tough and bench one of them.

Lavine, Keon aren't PGs at all. Fultz isn't starting game ready either. Carter is still far away from starting. Monk at PG still a go in my eyes...until we find something better.

I agree with that TBH. Just don't think its the way they will go.
FWIW I think Doug will go with Lavine/DDR being the defacto PG. This is what's largely been happening anyway.

I also think we should get ready on a Keon back to the starting line up and what that's going to be. He is going to do his thing and it will improve the Kings overall, but there's only so much he can do on the defensive end. Don't be shocked if it doesn't "fix" the Kings because it's not. Not suggesting someone like yourself is thinking that way, just that this is a jigsaw puzzle that was gaining momentum and was then thrown off the table and the pieces need to be put back together again. It's just the pieces don't fit at this point.

The DDR & Lavine show didn't work in Chicago, and it will not work in Sacramento, imo. Unless there is a complete change on how the team plays i.e. return to the Sabonis DHO/PNR centric offense. Please, no more of this 'my turn, your turn' offense between Monk, Lavine, DDR mess. It is an eye sore. Losing to crappy teams because these guy's ego are too inflated.

Sabonis is the best player on the roster. He needs to be highlighted 100%. I don't care of "but DDR is a HOF!!!" narrative...nope. Dude is 35 and at the end of his career. I would roll with Sabonis over DDR 10/10 times. Doug needs to rapidly adjust his tactics...if not..he will get the boot in the off season.

And yes, Keon at the 2 needs to be done 100%. It will not fix all the problems but it will balance the starting lineup to the positive direction.

Absolutely.
And if things continue like this don't be surprised if Sabonis asks to be traded in the off season. He's not going to put up with playing ISO ball. Like at all.

[BoogieTime]

I like Monk as the 6th man since this is his true 'perfect' role for him but who will be the starting PG? Monk doesn't look as good as the starting PG as I wanted but he is the most competent PG in the roster, imo. They just need to return to the P&R centric offense with Sabonis. Not sure why they went away from this. Oh wait. I know. They added Lavine & DDR and their games are ISO heavy. Lavine in the starting lineup makes the Monk fit look worse in the starting 5, imo. That is why they need to have one of them move to the bench. They will not change their games at this point of the career. Doug will need to be tough and bench one of them.

Lavine, Keon aren't PGs at all. Fultz isn't starting game ready either. Carter is still far away from starting. Monk at PG still a go in my eyes...until we find something better.

I agree with that TBH. Just don't think its the way they will go.
FWIW I think Doug will go with Lavine/DDR being the defacto PG. This is what's largely been happening anyway.

I also think we should get ready on a Keon back to the starting line up and what that's going to be. He is going to do his thing and it will improve the Kings overall, but there's only so much he can do on the defensive end. Don't be shocked if it doesn't "fix" the Kings because it's not. Not suggesting someone like yourself is thinking that way, just that this is a jigsaw puzzle that was gaining momentum and was then thrown off the table and the pieces need to be put back together again. It's just the pieces don't fit at this point.

The DDR & Lavine show didn't work in Chicago, and it will not work in Sacramento, imo. Unless there is a complete change on how the team plays i.e. return to the Sabonis DHO/PNR centric offense. Please, no more of this 'my turn, your turn' offense between Monk, Lavine, DDR mess. It is an eye sore. Losing to crappy teams because these guy's ego are too inflated.

Sabonis is the best player on the roster. He needs to be highlighted 100%. I don't care of "but DDR is a HOF!!!" narrative...nope. Dude is 35 and at the end of his career. I would roll with Sabonis over DDR 10/10 times. Doug needs to rapidly adjust his tactics...if not..he will get the boot in the off season.

And yes, Keon at the 2 needs to be done 100%. It will not fix all the problems but it will balance the starting lineup to the positive direction.

Zach is a better player than Fox

Fox was good for nothing, inefficient, not a playmaker of a Pg, didn’t space and wasn’t a good defender

Zach at the least is a great shooter at Sf/SG

The team needs to start Keon

The team looked the best this year with Monk/Keon - Zach can play with it, obviously not fox

Biggest question is whether Monk can hack it full time at PG, but he at least is a better playmaker Fox so we will see

[OxAndFox]

I agree with that TBH. Just don't think its the way they will go.
FWIW I think Doug will go with Lavine/DDR being the defacto PG. This is what's largely been happening anyway.

I also think we should get ready on a Keon back to the starting line up and what that's going to be. He is going to do his thing and it will improve the Kings overall, but there's only so much he can do on the defensive end. Don't be shocked if it doesn't "fix" the Kings because it's not. Not suggesting someone like yourself is thinking that way, just that this is a jigsaw puzzle that was gaining momentum and was then thrown off the table and the pieces need to be put back together again. It's just the pieces don't fit at this point.

The DDR & Lavine show didn't work in Chicago, and it will not work in Sacramento, imo. Unless there is a complete change on how the team plays i.e. return to the Sabonis DHO/PNR centric offense. Please, no more of this 'my turn, your turn' offense between Monk, Lavine, DDR mess. It is an eye sore. Losing to crappy teams because these guy's ego are too inflated.

Sabonis is the best player on the roster. He needs to be highlighted 100%. I don't care of "but DDR is a HOF!!!" narrative...nope. Dude is 35 and at the end of his career. I would roll with Sabonis over DDR 10/10 times. Doug needs to rapidly adjust his tactics...if not..he will get the boot in the off season.

And yes, Keon at the 2 needs to be done 100%. It will not fix all the problems but it will balance the starting lineup to the positive direction.

Zach is a better player than Fox

Fox was good for nothing, inefficient, not a playmaker of a Pg, didn’t space and wasn’t a good defender

Zach at the least is a great shooter at Sf/SG

The team needs to start Keon

The team looked the best this year with Monk/Keon - Zach can play with it, obviously not fox

Biggest question is whether Monk can hack it full time at PG, but he at least is a better playmaker Fox so we will see

Look. We know Zach is going to go off now and again. Like even myself. I predicted 38 tonight for him. Let's see if he can get there.

Ok. Where is the talk of low motor for Zach though? He doesn't have effort, like at all. But we won't hear Vroom Vroom from you. That's telling.

BUT he is a silky smooth scorer when he is on, everyone knows it. No one denies it, but point to him being a defensive player, point to him being a leader, point to him being a creator, point to him leading a team in whatever you like. Keep it consistent.

[BoogieTime]

The DDR & Lavine show didn't work in Chicago, and it will not work in Sacramento, imo. Unless there is a complete change on how the team plays i.e. return to the Sabonis DHO/PNR centric offense. Please, no more of this 'my turn, your turn' offense between Monk, Lavine, DDR mess. It is an eye sore. Losing to crappy teams because these guy's ego are too inflated.

Sabonis is the best player on the roster. He needs to be highlighted 100%. I don't care of "but DDR is a HOF!!!" narrative...nope. Dude is 35 and at the end of his career. I would roll with Sabonis over DDR 10/10 times. Doug needs to rapidly adjust his tactics...if not..he will get the boot in the off season.

And yes, Keon at the 2 needs to be done 100%. It will not fix all the problems but it will balance the starting lineup to the positive direction.

Zach is a better player than Fox

Fox was good for nothing, inefficient, not a playmaker of a Pg, didn’t space and wasn’t a good defender

Zach at the least is a great shooter at Sf/SG

The team needs to start Keon

The team looked the best this year with Monk/Keon - Zach can play with it, obviously not fox

Biggest question is whether Monk can hack it full time at PG, but he at least is a better playmaker Fox so we will see

Look. We know Zach is going to go off now and again. Like even myself. I predicted 38 tonight for him. Let's see if he can get there.

Ok. Where is the talk of low motor for Zach though? He doesn't have effort, like at all. But we won't hear Vroom Vroom from you. That's telling.

BUT he is a silky smooth scorer when he is on, everyone knows it. No one denies it, but point to him being a defensive player, point to him being a leader, point to him being a creator, point to him leading a team in whatever you like. Keep it consistent.

Actually you will hear it… Zach looked to have motor issues last game and early on in his Kings career. The fact that we are talking about his energetic performances this early is scary.

Neither him or Fox are defensive players or creators as much

Zach is efficient, and can play off ball as at least a great shooter, are differences

[OxAndFox]

Zach is a better player than Fox

Fox was good for nothing, inefficient, not a playmaker of a Pg, didn’t space and wasn’t a good defender

Zach at the least is a great shooter at Sf/SG

The team needs to start Keon

The team looked the best this year with Monk/Keon - Zach can play with it, obviously not fox

Biggest question is whether Monk can hack it full time at PG, but he at least is a better playmaker Fox so we will see

Look. We know Zach is going to go off now and again. Like even myself. I predicted 38 tonight for him. Let's see if he can get there.

Ok. Where is the talk of low motor for Zach though? He doesn't have effort, like at all. But we won't hear Vroom Vroom from you. That's telling.

BUT he is a silky smooth scorer when he is on, everyone knows it. No one denies it, but point to him being a defensive player, point to him being a leader, point to him being a creator, point to him leading a team in whatever you like. Keep it consistent.

Actually you will hear it… Zach looked to have motor issues last game and early on in his Kings career. The fact that we are talking about his energetic performances this early is scary.

Neither him or Fox are defensive players or creators as much

Zach is efficient, and can play off ball as at least a great shooter, are differences

I don't really want to talk about Fox much more TBH in this format. BUT he is a GOOD defensive player overall. He has proven time and time again that he is. But I digress. Fox is crap. Lavine is Curry as you've been saying and let's make a run at the Larry.

[BoogieTime]

Look. We know Zach is going to go off now and again. Like even myself. I predicted 38 tonight for him. Let's see if he can get there.

Ok. Where is the talk of low motor for Zach though? He doesn't have effort, like at all. But we won't hear Vroom Vroom from you. That's telling.

BUT he is a silky smooth scorer when he is on, everyone knows it. No one denies it, but point to him being a defensive player, point to him being a leader, point to him being a creator, point to him leading a team in whatever you like. Keep it consistent.

Actually you will hear it… Zach looked to have motor issues last game and early on in his Kings career. The fact that we are talking about his energetic performances this early is scary.

Neither him or Fox are defensive players or creators as much

Zach is efficient, and can play off ball as at least a great shooter, are differences

I don't really want to talk about Fox much more TBH in this format. BUT he is a GOOD defensive player overall. He has proven time and time again that he is. But I digress. Fox is crap. Lavine is Curry as you've been saying and let's make a run at the Larry.

Fox got steals, other than that his career advanced metrics are alsonewhat below average some years to fighting to stay average other years

I don’t even like having to bring up Fox, but you have users on here from my vantage trollishly hating on LaVine and the new look Kings out of pouting over Fox. Because they’re talking about the deadline getting worse (hence, the great Fox is gone!)

They are making it about Fox

We should just be having objective conversations about the team

[OxAndFox]

Actually you will hear it… Zach looked to have motor issues last game and early on in his Kings career. The fact that we are talking about his energetic performances this early is scary.

Neither him or Fox are defensive players or creators as much

Zach is efficient, and can play off ball as at least a great shooter, are differences

I don't really want to talk about Fox much more TBH in this format. BUT he is a GOOD defensive player overall. He has proven time and time again that he is. But I digress. Fox is crap. Lavine is Curry as you've been saying and let's make a run at the Larry.

Fox got steals, other than that his career advanced metrics are alsonewhat below average some years to fighting to stay average other years

I don’t even like having to bring up Fox, but you have users on here from my vantage trollishly hating on LaVine and the new look Kings out of pouting over Fox. Because they’re talking about the deadline getting worse (hence, the great Fox is gone!)

They are making it about Fox

We should just be having objective conversations about the team

Career metrics on a team that is the poorest defensive team over the long haul it feels like isn't anything to point to as a defender. An elite defender will make a difference, but a good defender absolutely will not surrounded by trash.

Additionally. Like who has had another scorer next to them? This is evident of what Fox needed to do offensively and I will absolutely guarantee you that Fox was told not to get in foul trouble every single night because outside of him they wouldn't be able to put the ball in the cup. I absolutely hate these types of things, but it does really lean towards just how poor the Kings were. No D and couldn't put the ball in the hoop.

FOX
24/25 - DDR/Monk/Sabonis
23/24 - Sabonis/Murray/Monk
22/23 - Sabonis/Huerter/Monk
21/22 - Sabonis/Mitchell/Barnes* or Hield/Hali/Mitchell
20/21 - Hield/Bagley/Barnes
19/20 - Hield/Bagley/Bogdanovic

LAVINE
24/25 - Vucevic/White/Giddey
23/24 - DDR/Vucevic/White
22/23 - DDR/Vucevic/White
21/22 - DDR/Vucevic/Ball
20/21 - Vucevic/White/Markkanen
19/20 - White/Markkanen/Porter Jr

[BoogieTime]

Fox is now putting up the same inefficiency on the Spurs and horrible shooting, I thought we would at least see the honeymoon. Thats not a good sign, but good for that 2027 pick if they keep him

[Silver Man]

Fox is now putting up the same inefficiency on the Spurs and horrible shooting, I thought we would at least see the honeymoon. Thats not a good sign, but good for that 2027 pick if they keep him

Haven't you been spending the past two weeks calling out people who haven't been giving Lavine a chance to settle in but when Fox goes to a new team and their cornerstone franchise player unexpectedly goes out for the year right after the AS break its a different story?

[codydaze]

Fox is now putting up the same inefficiency on the Spurs and horrible shooting, I thought we would at least see the honeymoon. Thats not a good sign, but good for that 2027 pick if they keep him

Haven't you been spending the past two weeks calling out people who haven't been giving Lavine a chance to settle in but when Fox goes to a new team and their cornerstone franchise player unexpectedly goes out for the year right after the AS break its a different story?

First 7 games for Fox in SA, 23 PPG/7.3 APG/4.4 RPG on 50.4/34.3/77.5 shooting splits.

First 7 games for Lavine in SAC, 20.3 PPG/4.7 APG/3.3 RPG on 43.0/26.4/93.8 shooting splits.

Honeymoon wasn't expected for us?

[BoogieTime]

6-21, 1-9 from three, I cant even look at the Spurs boards now

[BoogieTime]

3/12 and 1/5 for our boy...

The Spurs are going to have the quandary I always posited this summer on what to pay, I didn't think he was worth the regular max

[BoogieTime]

I’d say Domas being injured would keep our pick but the Suns and others have been so bad…

[codydaze]

I’d say Domas being injured would keep our pick but the Suns and others have been so bad…

Phoenix is the only real threat to jump us in the standings and unless things just go disastrously wrong, I don't even see that happening. They have a rough schedule to end the season too. We're likely looking at a 9/10 finish, I think we can jump one of Minnesota or Dallas but jumping both will be tough.