KD back to the Warriors

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors wanted KD back. According to reports a deal was all but done, the fact that KD was not interested is what derailed it.

KD said he didn't want to uproot mid-season. Also the writing is on the wall now, everyone knows, KD knows, Suns will trade him this summer - that experiment was a failure.

I fully expect the Warriors to revisit this over the summer.

[wco81]

They'd have to send Butler to match contracts and the Suns would want more draft picks.

Or sign and trade Kuminga at a high salary and toss in some other players and picks.

[NW]

Warriors wanted KD back. According to reports a deal was all but done, the fact that KD was not interested is what derailed it.

KD said he didn't want to uproot mid-season. Also the writing is on the wall now, everyone knows, KD knows, Suns will trade him this summer - that experiment was a failure.

I fully expect the Warriors to revisit this over the summer.

I don't. KD don't want to come back, imo, because all that's left for KD is to win a title on his terms and his way. That's never happening in GS. Here it's the Warriors/Steve Kerr way. KD already won that way, didn't like it and has spent his entire career since trying to win one his way. What good would coming back to GS be for him? Thus, not good for GS as they know what an unhappy KD is. Phoenix is learning now.

[wco81]

Yeah what's the point in trading more assets for someone who doesn't want to be here.

I don't know that swapping Butler or JK for KD, in addition to other players and draft assets, will make this team a contender anyways

[ILOVEIT]

Warriors wanted KD back. According to reports a deal was all but done, the fact that KD was not interested is what derailed it.

KD said he didn't want to uproot mid-season. Also the writing is on the wall now, everyone knows, KD knows, Suns will trade him this summer - that experiment was a failure.

I fully expect the Warriors to revisit this over the summer.

So obvious....KD nixed the trade but THEN the Warriors brought in Butler. I have NO DOUBT that Butler and KD talked a ton about playing together in Pheniox and THAT IS why KD changed the REASON why he didn't want to come.

Come Summer, Warriors are going to trade a resigned Kuminga and salary (Draymond, IMO) to the Suns (where he might get bought out) and a first-round pick for Durant.

Podz, Curry, Butler, Durant, CENTER TBD

[AirP.]

Yeah what's the point in trading more assets for someone who doesn't want to be here.

I don't know that swapping Butler or JK for KD, in addition to other players and draft assets, will make this team a contender anyways

What if you found out KD wanted to play with Butler and that's why Butler was trying to force his way to Phoenix? He may be open to joining the Warriors again.

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[vvoland]

KD for JK and Dray? I don't believe that is legal under the CBA. S&T cannot be combined with another contract (e.g. the GSW-BKN durant trade), if memory serves. I'll defer to xdrta but I don't think you can aggregate on a S&T.

That said, bringing in an offensive player in KD to put next the Steph and Jimmy, at the expense of Dray may not bring the results most people would assume from hearing those two names. On 29 other teams, moving Dray + salary + picks for KD = a lot more wins. On this team? I'm not so sure.

[AirP.]

KD for JK and Dray? I don't believe that is legal under the CBA. S&T cannot be combined with another contract (e.g. the GSW-BKN durant trade), if memory serves. I'll defer to xdrta but I don't think you can aggregate on a S&T.

That said, bringing in an offensive player in KD to put next the Steph and Jimmy, at the expense of Dray may not bring the results most people would assume from hearing those two names. On 29 other teams, moving Dray + salary + picks for KD = a lot more wins. On this team? I'm not so sure.

I'm not really looking at what the apron would restrict, just saying he wanted to play with Butler.

Who says Kuminga would go to Phoenix? You might be able to S&T him somewhere else for most of the contracts you'd need while including say Hield and/or Moody plus a minimum or 2 then add draft assets.

KD would be in the last year of his contract next season and could limit where he's traded to by refusing to sign an extension with the new team.

[vvoland]

KD for JK and Dray? I don't believe that is legal under the CBA. S&T cannot be combined with another contract (e.g. the GSW-BKN durant trade), if memory serves. I'll defer to xdrta but I don't think you can aggregate on a S&T.

That said, bringing in an offensive player in KD to put next the Steph and Jimmy, at the expense of Dray may not bring the results most people would assume from hearing those two names. On 29 other teams, moving Dray + salary + picks for KD = a lot more wins. On this team? I'm not so sure.

Who says Kuminga would go to Phoenix? You might be able to S&T him somewhere else for most of the contracts you'd need while including say Hield and/or Moody plus a minimum or 2 then add draft assets.

KD would be in the last year of his contract next season and could limit where he's traded to by refusing to sign an extension with the new team.

That's a tough needle to thread: You're essentially doing a multi-team trade where BKN (just for example) get the S&T Kuminga, sending PHX back ~$35M in attractive contracts that we add Dray + picks for KD. That's a tough trade to make happen but it's not impossible. I don't believe you can do it in more than 1 trade as the players you trade JK for have to be on the team for a few months before they can be re-traded.

My broader point was different. Assuming good health all around, I'm not sure KD for Dray, even straight up, brings us closer to a title. I like our offense as it stands right now. That's w/o JK and, if nothing else, he should add more scoring punch. Our real title shot comes with a top 5 defense and I don't think moving Dray for KD gets us closer to that goal.

[AirP.]

KD for JK and Dray? I don't believe that is legal under the CBA. S&T cannot be combined with another contract (e.g. the GSW-BKN durant trade), if memory serves. I'll defer to xdrta but I don't think you can aggregate on a S&T.

That said, bringing in an offensive player in KD to put next the Steph and Jimmy, at the expense of Dray may not bring the results most people would assume from hearing those two names. On 29 other teams, moving Dray + salary + picks for KD = a lot more wins. On this team? I'm not so sure.

Who says Kuminga would go to Phoenix? You might be able to S&T him somewhere else for most of the contracts you'd need while including say Hield and/or Moody plus a minimum or 2 then add draft assets.

KD would be in the last year of his contract next season and could limit where he's traded to by refusing to sign an extension with the new team.

That's a tough needle to thread: You're essentially doing a multi-team trade where BKN (just for example) get the S&T Kuminga, sending PHX back ~$35M in attractive contracts that we add Dray + picks for KD. That's a tough trade to make happen but it's not impossible. I don't believe you can do it in more than 1 trade as the players you trade JK for have to be on the team for a few months before they can be re-traded.

My broader point was different. Assuming good health all around, I'm not sure KD for Dray, even straight up, brings us closer to a title. I like our offense as it stands right now. That's w/o JK and, if nothing else, he should add more scoring punch. Our real title shot comes with a top 5 defense and I don't think moving Dray for KD gets us closer to that goal.

I wouldn't move Draymond with other assets for KD. Warriors need the defense.

Looking at the current salary setup, GS is ~36 mil under the 2nd apron for next year without resigning Kuminga, maybe Hield will have to go to allow GS to use their taxpayer MLE to stay under the 2nd apron which I guess could be used to bring in some defense to replace Draymond if he were moved. I've not really dove deep into GS's finances yet.

Team's financial situations with the aprons next year

[Onus]

KD on dray's pod right now and he really sounds like he'd be willing to come back ...

[Old_Blue]

Presuming that Kuminga gets extended for $30-$35 million, is there any way to acquire Durant WITHOUT giving up any of Curry, Butler or Draymond?

[vvoland]

Presuming that Kuminga gets extended for $30-$35 million, is there any way to acquire Durant WITHOUT giving up any of Curry, Butler or Draymond?

I really don't see it outside a multi-team trade that S&T JK to a 3rd team, we send the ~35M of contracts to Phx and we find another ~20M to send out. Durant costs 55M and we'd have a hard time finding enough matching salary w/o one of those 3 getting moved (and even dray would be not enough, most likely). If we did that, somehow, we'd have Steph, Butler, KD, Dray making a combined 195M when the 2nd apron is ~215m. Meaning we'd have ~20M to fill out the other 11 roster spots (assuming moody, podz, loon, gp2, buddy, JK, Post, Gui, TJD, etc. are all gone and it's just those 4).

[Old_Blue]

Presuming that Kuminga gets extended for $30-$35 million, is there any way to acquire Durant WITHOUT giving up any of Curry, Butler or Draymond?

I really don't see it outside a multi-team trade that S&T JK to a 3rd team, we send the ~35M of contracts to Phx and we find another ~20M to send out. Durant costs 55M and we'd have a hard time finding enough matching salary w/o one of those 3 getting moved (and even dray would be not enough, most likely). If we did that, somehow, we'd have Steph, Butler, KD, Dray making a combined 195M when the 2nd apron is ~215m. Meaning we'd have ~20M to fill out the other 11 roster spots (assuming moody, podz, loon, gp2, buddy, JK, Post, Gui, TJD, etc. are all gone and it's just those 4).

Hield and Moody together will make approximately $20 million next season.

[statsman]

KD for JK and Dray? I don't believe that is legal under the CBA. S&T cannot be combined with another contract (e.g. the GSW-BKN durant trade), if memory serves. I'll defer to xdrta but I don't think you can aggregate on a S&T.

That said, bringing in an offensive player in KD to put next the Steph and Jimmy, at the expense of Dray may not bring the results most people would assume from hearing those two names. On 29 other teams, moving Dray + salary + picks for KD = a lot more wins. On this team? I'm not so sure.

Who says Kuminga would go to Phoenix? You might be able to S&T him somewhere else for most of the contracts you'd need while including say Hield and/or Moody plus a minimum or 2 then add draft assets.

From the Warriors viewpoint in such a trade, Kuminga would be aggregated with other salaries, which is not allowed. Now, if a S&T of Kuminga acquires one or more players, then at a later point (two months) those players can be aggregated with other Warriors in a trade.

[wco81]

KD on dray's pod right now and he really sounds like he'd be willing to come back ...

He can't win. IF he agrees to come back, they will be on him for leaving in the first place and basically proving the haters that he is a beta.

If he refuses to come back it will still be another failure, after Brooklyn. Presumably he'd go to a team like Houston.

[vvoland]

Presuming that Kuminga gets extended for $30-$35 million, is there any way to acquire Durant WITHOUT giving up any of Curry, Butler or Draymond?

I really don't see it outside a multi-team trade that S&T JK to a 3rd team, we send the ~35M of contracts to Phx and we find another ~20M to send out. Durant costs 55M and we'd have a hard time finding enough matching salary w/o one of those 3 getting moved (and even dray would be not enough, most likely). If we did that, somehow, we'd have Steph, Butler, KD, Dray making a combined 195M when the 2nd apron is ~215m. Meaning we'd have ~20M to fill out the other 11 roster spots (assuming moody, podz, loon, gp2, buddy, JK, Post, Gui, TJD, etc. are all gone and it's just those 4).

Hield and Moody together will make approximately $20 million next season.

If you want, we can play it out with Draymond, slow day at work:

Steph - 59.6
KD - 54.7
Butler - 54.1
Dray - 25.8

That totals 194.2M.

Let's pretend we can keep everyone that's on a min/rookie deal:

Podz - 3.7
TJD - 2.2
Gui - 2.2
QP - 2.0

That's 204.3. Spotrac projects the 2nd apron next year at 207.8M. So we'd have 3.5M for the remaining 6 roster spots. We could probably trade/cut everyone and if we sign 10 minimum contracts to go with the top 4, we could squeeze in just under 208 but that's not a real roster.

I'm not sure how we can acquire KD since if we sign and trade Kuminga, we'd be hard capped at the 1st apron (196M). If we let him walk, we don't have the cap space to get KD, so if he takes the QO and we get another 25M of contracts in the summer that we trade mid year, we might be able to get close (JK on the QO + moody + buddy + Melton + anderson + podz, to use this year's example, is just enough salary, i believe). There may be rules about trading/aggregating players on the qualifying offer.

KD for Butler would certainly work but considering the current fit, I'm not sure. I reserve the right to change my mind if we look bad against better competition.

[HiRez]

I wouldn't move Draymond with other assets for KD. Warriors need the defense.

Meh. So they win 140-130 instead of 125-115. Yes, you'd lose defense, but KD's offensive prowess is among the best of all time (granted, he's 36 and in a slow decline, but so is Draymond). And he's actually not horrific on D anyway. That being said, I don't know if KD is what the Dubs need most, especially if it means giving up assets. But jeez, imagine trying to scheme a defense to stop Steph, KD, and Butler, along with maybe Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc., that's a rough assignment for any team.

[AirP.]

I wouldn't move Draymond with other assets for KD. Warriors need the defense.

Meh. So they win 140-130 instead of 125-115. Yes, you'd lose defense, but KD's offensive prowess is among the best of all time (granted, he's 36 and in a slow decline, but so is Draymond). And he's actually not horrific on D anyway. That being said, I don't know if KD is what the Dubs need most, especially if it means giving up assets. But jeez, imagine trying to scheme a defense to stop Steph, KD, and Butler, along with maybe Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc., that's a rough assignment for any team.

You sound like Mat Ishbia.

Forget about the value of the players for a minute, I believe the Phoenix Suns would be a better team right now if they replaced KD with Draymond or Butler (which I think they had decided to do since they couldn't move Beal) because their defense is way more needed than his offense with Booker and Beal on the roster. Of course, Phoenix would have gotten more than just a player since KD is an incredible offensive player.

[Nvnervous45]

Kd is so wishy-washy, I'm not sure he knows what he wants for breakfast, let alone what he wants to do this summer. One thing for sure he doesn't want to play with Draymond.