OG by Depth

[Astaluego]

OG is a very valuable player on the court, a super elite defender and a good catch and shooter.. he would fit in and start on every team in the league… he is overpaid and the Knicks have clear holes if they want to compete at the next level… let’s do a research exercise to find out what they could get if the Knicks made him available..keep in mind they are trying to win and the package should focus on ready players..in my opinion they need another playmaker/scorer and frontcourt depth..although let’s let the Knicks fans enlighten us here… and then we can get an idea of ​​whether we should trade him or keep him

[R-DAWG]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

[Godaddycurse]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

did you miss the part about toronto trying to win next year by paying a 1st for Ingram?

You also leave sacramento with no starting PG now after the fox trade. that trade is DOA for sacramento and Toronto

[Stanq]

OG would be great for the Lakers, but not sure they can fit the 36M he is paid. Knicks could def use some of the wings the Lakers have, Like DFS and Vando, who are great defenders and would offer the Knicks the help they need for Brunson and KAT. Gabe Vincent fits the secondary creator/ball handler role, who is also a good POA guard defender and can catch and shoot to play alongside Brunson.

Now does it make sense for the Lakers to upgrade OG and pay something like Gabe+Vando+DFS+Knetch? OG is basically a better and younger DFS, but at 36M it is gonna be hard to justify that. LeBron takes a paycut to open up the MLE, Lakers sign someone to replace what Vando does for them and they loose Gabe and Knetch. Maybe it makes sense with OG+Achiwua.

[Astaluego]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

wow I think that's way above the value I assumed OG had in that contract

[Godaddycurse]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

wow I think that's way above the value I assumed OG had in that contract

you're not alone in thinking that

[gswhoops]

Yeah OG is a really nice player to have, but I don't think OG making $40M a year returns multiple solid role players/1st round picks

[LightTheBeam]

Start by saying I'd rather Sac rebuild, but the owner refuses to.. So...

I do like Sac as a destination.

I'd envision a 3 team deal. Kings give up JVal + DeMar + a 1st for OG. Robinson routed to a 3rd team to give NY more depth elsewhere.

[jayjaysee]

Would love OG in Dallas. Think my offer is just PJ, Gafford, Klay and the 2025 first assuming Dallas survives the play-in?

Looks low for the ask, but thats what I think?

And someone figures out how to make the salaries work (trim Klay or Gafford using a third team? Maybe NY’s vet mins to a third team is good enough?)

Adding a Naji/Mitchell based swap feels smart if you’re doing that deal but no idea how Mitchell is valued. Makes matching easier for NY and balances both rosters a bit.

[taikibansei]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

did you miss the part about toronto trying to win next year by paying a 1st for Ingram?

You also leave sacramento with no starting PG now after the fox trade. that trade is DOA for sacramento and Toronto

His trade idea is the rare proposal that damages every single team involved, including (especially?) the Knicks. Adding Poelti does **** for us--we need an elite shot-blocker (i.e., Robinson or someone like him) or might as well keep playing KAT and Precious at the 5. Monk too is a fine player, but OG is by far our best defender, and with sieves like Brunson and KAT on the floor, we desperately need OG healthy and playing. And finally, Agbaji plays the only position where we currently have depth--the 2--and while he's a good scorer, more scoring is not really needed on this team.

Again, I'm not arguing that Poelti, Agbaji and/or Monk are bad players. They're fine, and in a different context, they'd likely be worth together more than OG. However, adding them does nothing to address our main weaknesses--rim defense/shot-blocking and health--and makes us worse by replacing OG with lesser defenders (on a team that desperately needs more defense). Finally, regarding health, we've been missing Robinson, Precious, OG and now Hart for significant amounts of time this season. That's 4 of our top 7 players--and without all of them suited up and ready to play, we're frankly not competitive with OKC, Boston or Cleveland.

Fortunately, this is not a "win now or never" season for the Knicks. I.e., we have time to see if the current crew can get healthy and play together at a high level. Regardless, the trade proposal above is an Isaiah Thomas-style panic trade--even if Sacramento and Toronto were willing to do this trade (and they're not), it would be an absolute disaster for the Knicks to do it. Thankfully, unlike certain fans, Knicks management seems content to wait until, you know, the roster is healthy before coming to a decision about the team's future.

[LightTheBeam]

Would love OG in Dallas. Think my offer is just PJ, Gafford, Klay and the 2025 first assuming Dallas survives the play-in?

Looks low for the ask, but thats what I think?

And someone figures out how to make the salaries work (trim Klay or Gafford using a third team? Maybe NY’s vet mins to a third team is good enough?)

Adding a Naji/Mitchell based swap feels smart if you’re doing that deal but no idea how Mitchell is valued. Makes matching easier for NY and balances both rosters a bit.

I don't get this. What makes OG more valuable than PJ?

PJ is bigger
PJ is younger
PJ is on the biggest bargain contract this year and next
PJ rebounds much better
PJ has much less injury concerns
They are similar level shooters

I know OG is a better defender, I get that. But I don't think he's worth PJ + 2 solid role players + a 1st

[ACMFFL]

Would love OG in Dallas. Think my offer is just PJ, Gafford, Klay and the 2025 first assuming Dallas survives the play-in?

Looks low for the ask, but thats what I think?

And someone figures out how to make the salaries work (trim Klay or Gafford using a third team? Maybe NY’s vet mins to a third team is good enough?)

Adding a Naji/Mitchell based swap feels smart if you’re doing that deal but no idea how Mitchell is valued. Makes matching easier for NY and balances both rosters a bit.

Man, are you Nico in disguise?

[NYG]

Jonas Valanciunas, John Collins and Collin Sexton to NYK

DeMar DeRozan and Mitchell Robinson to LAL

OG to the Kings

Lakers filler, Knecht, Kings 1st and conditional Wiz 1st to the Jazz

[Rockazoids]

OG is a very valuable player on the court, a super elite defender and a good catch and shooter.. he would fit in and start on every team in the league… he is overpaid and the Knicks have clear holes if they want to compete at the next level… let’s do a research exercise to find out what they could get if the Knicks made him available..keep in mind they are trying to win and the package should focus on ready players..in my opinion they need another playmaker/scorer and frontcourt depth..although let’s let the Knicks fans enlighten us here… and then we can get an idea of ​​whether we should trade him or keep him

So NY has one of the best offense and not up to power defense, and you want to fix it by getting rid of one of the best wing defender.
Seem like you are trying to fix the wrong thing. What they need is a rim protector at the 5. Oh wait a minute maybe they can play
Mitchell Robinson there since he could be back this week.

[taikibansei]

OG is a very valuable player on the court, a super elite defender and a good catch and shooter.. he would fit in and start on every team in the league… he is overpaid and the Knicks have clear holes if they want to compete at the next level… let’s do a research exercise to find out what they could get if the Knicks made him available..keep in mind they are trying to win and the package should focus on ready players..in my opinion they need another playmaker/scorer and frontcourt depth..although let’s let the Knicks fans enlighten us here… and then we can get an idea of ​​whether we should trade him or keep him

So NY has one of the best offense and not up to power defense, and you want to fix it by getting rid of one of the best wing defender.
Seem like you are trying to fix the wrong thing. What they need is a rim protector at the 5. Oh wait a minute maybe they can play
Mitchell Robinson there since he could be back this week.

Looks like he's coming back next week:

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxDnKSPQ4Eq4AcbEiK6CAPNCQSqgGKstRu?si=u42jSBKE2ul0Mjhr

OG and Hart should be fully recovered by then as well. And then, for the first time this season, we'll finally have the full team together. Fingers crossed.

[R-DAWG]

Would love OG in Dallas. Think my offer is just PJ, Gafford, Klay and the 2025 first assuming Dallas survives the play-in?

Looks low for the ask, but thats what I think?

And someone figures out how to make the salaries work (trim Klay or Gafford using a third team? Maybe NY’s vet mins to a third team is good enough?)

Adding a Naji/Mitchell based swap feels smart if you’re doing that deal but no idea how Mitchell is valued. Makes matching easier for NY and balances both rosters a bit.

PJ + Gafford + Pick(s) makes sense for both sides. I don’t think Klay is needed. Caleb Martin can be added to make the cap math work.

OG gives Dallas an elite perimeter defender.

NY gets a poor man’s OG in PJ, a league average starting C in Gafford and recoups some draft capital they desperately need.

Dallas would roll with Kyrie-Klay-OG-AD-Lively with the ability to mix in Christie in small ball lineups

Knicks roll with Brunson-Bridges-PJ-Towns-Gafford. Adding Hart and Mitchell Robinson to McBride off the bench

[babyjax13]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

did you miss the part about toronto trying to win next year by paying a 1st for Ingram?

You also leave sacramento with no starting PG now after the fox trade. that trade is DOA for sacramento and Toronto

It would be the offseason, so they'll have options to add a PG. RE: Toronto, I hope to god they aren't delusional enough to think that team is good. I like the value of Ingram, but it is a lot of players who demand the ball and aren't really all that great.

[Apz]

Its nico. If og goes to mavs its probably for kyrie. Nico doesnt like offensive talents that takes his shine

[R-DAWG]

I think the two places OG would fit the current timeline with a realistic path to acquire him is Dallas and Sacramento.

Dallas would have to build the deal around Gafford and either Thompson/Washington and add picks
Sacramento would have to build the deal around Monk and picks.

In both cases, a third team would likely be needed. I could see Toronto being that team with Jakob Poelti and Ochaji Agbaji.

I could see something like:

OG to Sacamento
Poelti, Agbaji, and Malik Monk to NY along with the lessor of SAC/SAS 27 1st
The lessor of MIN/SAC 2031 1st and 2nds from SAC to Toronto along with cap filler

NY would turn Anunoby into a league average starting center, a quality 6th man, an interesting prospect that is extension eligible and an extra 1st

SAC turns their lower value 1st rd pick depth into a defensive upgrade to team with Sabonis/LaVine

Toronto cashes out on Poelti (1st Rd Pick value) and avoids an Agbaji extension.

did you miss the part about toronto trying to win next year by paying a 1st for Ingram?

You also leave sacramento with no starting PG now after the fox trade. that trade is DOA for sacramento and Toronto

It would be the offseason, so they'll have options to add a PG. RE: Toronto, I hope to god they aren't delusional enough to think that team is good. I like the value of Ingram, but it is a lot of players who demand the ball and aren't really all that great.

Part of me thinks Toronto acquired Ingram to flip him. Ingram’s value was very low and Toronto basically got him for a late 26 1st. I could see a world where Ingram is worth more than that over the next few trade cycles since he’s now on a long term contract.

[tmorgan]

This is where having no tradable, biggish contracts actually hurts Detroit. If OG were made available in the off-season, he’d be a helluva nice fit. Ausar is freaky enough to play the 4 some, as well as 2/3 and a bit of 1.

Problem is, there’s just no contracts to make it work. Tobias is about it, and the Knicks have very little use for a guy like Tobias. We could give a first, certainly, but we’ve finally reached the point where a Detroit first isn’t that valuable.

Not giving up Ausar to pay a ton more money just because OG shoots better. Holland, I guess, but he’s not a win-now guy. Ivey/Brunson is a hella ugly defense on the perimeter.

Nothing works.