Lamelo Ball by the numbers

righterwriter · Post #1 » by **righterwriter** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:58 am

2nd in Usage Rate
339th in True Shooting Percentage

336th in Net Rating
456th in Defensive Rating

1st in 3pt FGA/gm (11.7/gm)
143rd in 3pt FG% (33.6%)

3rd worst AST/TO of all starting PG's (just ahead of Ja Morant and Coby White)

Played 64% of games (on track for a 50 game season)
Hornets are 14-42, good for 14th in the Eastern Conference

In first year of a 5 year/$203M contract

Dr Aki · Post #2 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:02 am

Dyslexic me read the title as Lamelo Numbers by the balls

ratul · Post #3 » by **ratul** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:11 am

Pretty pretty good

Post #4 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:12 am

Pretty good stuff by LaMelo, young player still maturing.

FreeBird23 · Post #5 » by **FreeBird23** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:15 am

Snubbed from the All Star Game

Lalouie · Post #6 » by **Lalouie** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:15 am

Dr Aki wrote:Dyslexic me read the title as Lamelo Numbers by the balls

i thought it was lamelo has numerous balls

tmorgan · Post #7 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:26 am

Team stinks, he has a chance to get less experienced guys more good looks to help them improve.

Instead, mostly just puts up a crapton of threes himself.

He has real talent as a creative passer and tall PG with skills, but he needs a complete attitude change on and off the court to be taken seriously as a legit good player. He acts, plays and lives like a spoiled brat.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #8 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:54 am

Plenty of players elevate bad teams. Scottie Barnes is on a bad team, still plays great defence, and I feel like is a big part of the offense despite some inefficiency issues, isn't considered in the same league as Llamaelo, however.

Post #9 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:05 am

The scoring is rough but it's sort of a Philly Iverson scenario. He, Miller and Bridges are all around 3.5% below league average TS and 20+ ppg, so it isnt like there arent other guys shooting, they just also arent scoring well.

JujitsuFlip · Post #10 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:06 am

There's a reason players, media, coaches, and the commissioner all skipped on picking him for the All-Star game.

dirkdiggler4177 · Post #11 » by **dirkdiggler4177** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:13 am

He is a bit like Jason Williams. It's fun to watch, but not a guy who will win you a championship. I don't see Ball becoming a champion-caliber player till he is 30. If it happens it is because he grew up mentally. For me, he still seems like that kid who dropped 100.

tmorgan · Post #12 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:15 am

tsherkin wrote:The scoring is rough but it's sort of a Philly Iverson scenario. He, Miller and Bridges are all around 3.5% below league average TS and 20+ ppg, so it isnt like there arent other guys shooting, they just also arent scoring well.

The stats are obviously correct, but the conclusion here is not. Philly Iverson was intentionally surrounded by a bunch of non-creating, mostly non-shooting tough defenders. It was intentional to have AI shoulder a heavy load.

They may not be any better at it right now than Ball, but Miller is a shooter. Bridges is a scorer. Mark Williams is a finisher. Yeah, I know, injuries and drama right now, but it wasn’t much different when they were healthy. LaMelo is looking for himself first, second, and third, all while not playing defense and taking a bunch of bad shots. He’s sharing in the sense of letting Miller and Bridges self-create (take turns, if you will), but he’s generally not helping when he could. If he wants it to be his team and he wants to be recognized as a star, I think he has it in him, as he’s shown less selfish (if not ideal) play before. Play like you care about your teammates. Play like you care about winning. Stop being such a twat.

EDIT: I’ll admit to some bias and frustration here. Earlier in the year, when we were struggling to win games and get it together, we lost two close road games in Charlotte. It was really frustrating, because we knew they sucked (still 1/7th of their wins!) and we should have gotten those wins. LaMelo played really well in one of the games and decent in the other. 17 assists total and some clutch passes in there. He CAN be better.

hauntedcomputer · Post #13 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 pm

Perfect guy to build around, they tell me.

jasonxxx102 · Post #14 » by **jasonxxx102** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:50 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Plenty of players elevate bad teams. Scottie Barnes is on a bad team, still plays great defence, and I feel like is a big part of the offense despite some inefficiency issues, isn't considered in the same league as Llamaelo, however.

Scottie Barnes is definitely not elevating bad teams.

The Raptors are -12.1 when he's on without RJ/IQ.

brackdan70 · Post #15 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:51 pm

He needs to learn to play the whole game, defense isn’t but it’s important.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #16 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:30 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:There's a reason players, media, coaches, and the commissioner all skipped on picking him for the All-Star game.

players not really, I think he was third.

EmpireFalls · Post #17 » by **EmpireFalls** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:49 pm

If you haven’t seen the rest of the Hornets, don’t judge the numbers. He’s sharing the court with G Leaguers and guys who can’t create their own shot at all (Miller cannot really create a shot right now, and he’s injured anyway), so he’s just getting pummeled physically on and off ball. I’d actually compare it a bit to the Warriors pre-Jimmy, Steph was struggling in similar ways and wasn’t playing efficiently or scoring as well. You just can’t realistically play with only one shot creator in today’s NBA.

He doesn’t deal well with physicality and he’s not a heliocentric player. There are real questions about using him as this high volume ball handler a la Luka/Harden, I don’t think it’ll work.

However our GM thought that, and this is the result. He’s the only guy who can make something happen, and this is what it looks like on a terrible team. Please get him some help.

toooskies · Post #18 » by **toooskies** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:29 pm

I usually look at a star player on a bad team and compare their efficiency to the rest of the team to see if they are better off playing around the central piece.

LaMelo's got a pretty bad TS% at 54.0%, but the team as a whole is at 53.5%. On the whole his usage isn't taking away from his team.

Post #19 » by **Reeko** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:46 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Plenty of players elevate bad teams. Scottie Barnes is on a bad team, still plays great defence, and I feel like is a big part of the offense despite some inefficiency issues, isn't considered in the same league as Llamaelo, however.

Scottie Barnes is definitely not elevating bad teams.

The Raptors are -12.1 when he's on without RJ/IQ.

Lol and do you know who replaces them when they're not on the court? Very often it's been rookies drafted in the 2nd round.

jasonxxx102 · Post #20 » by **jasonxxx102** » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:54 pm

Reeko wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Plenty of players elevate bad teams. Scottie Barnes is on a bad team, still plays great defence, and I feel like is a big part of the offense despite some inefficiency issues, isn't considered in the same league as Llamaelo, however.

Scottie Barnes is definitely not elevating bad teams.

The Raptors are -12.1 when he's on without RJ/IQ.

Lol and do you know who replaces them when they're not on the court? Very often it's been rookies drafted in the 2nd round.

That wasn't the question. The person I quoted said that Barnes elevated bad teams, and he simply doesn't.