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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#141 » by Dez » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:27 am

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PJSteven22 wrote:Explain. I beg to differ. Don’t call me unintelligent and run away.


I said it wasn't an intelligent comment and it wasn't.

You used Cade as your example, go have a look at Cade and Giddey's TS% given it's something you love quoting.

Context. Giddey can’t create off the dribble whereas Cade can. Cade takes tougher off the dribble shots and has way higher volume than Giddey. Also defenses are game planning against Cade and still beating them. Whereas Giddey hasn’t even made it on the scouting report yet. Only 20% of Cade 2s and 56.7% of his 3s are assisted whereas Giddey is at 42.9% and 93% from 3. Your comment is unintelligent gibberish and lacks context.


Moving goal posts now.

It's laughable that you think that teams wouldn't have Giddey on the scouting report when playing the Bulls.

As for context, how about using the assisted percentage after the LaVine trade for Giddey?
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#142 » by PJSteven22 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:30 am

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I said it wasn't an intelligent comment and it wasn't.

You used Cade as your example, go have a look at Cade and Giddey's TS% given it's something you love quoting.

Context. Giddey can’t create off the dribble whereas Cade can. Cade takes tougher off the dribble shots and has way higher volume than Giddey. Also defenses are game planning against Cade and still beating them. Whereas Giddey hasn’t even made it on the scouting report yet. Only 20% of Cade 2s and 56.7% of his 3s are assisted whereas Giddey is at 42.9% and 93% from 3. Your comment is unintelligent gibberish and lacks context.


Moving goal posts now.

It's laughable that you think that teams wouldn't have Giddey on the scouting report when playing the Bulls.

As for context, how about using the assisted percentage after the LaVine trade for Giddey?

Not moving any goal posts. Just additional context. He still doesn’t create much for himself. That will create problems down the road. I showed you the numbers.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#143 » by Dez » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:53 am

PJSteven22 wrote:
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PJSteven22 wrote:Context. Giddey can’t create off the dribble whereas Cade can. Cade takes tougher off the dribble shots and has way higher volume than Giddey. Also defenses are game planning against Cade and still beating them. Whereas Giddey hasn’t even made it on the scouting report yet. Only 20% of Cade 2s and 56.7% of his 3s are assisted whereas Giddey is at 42.9% and 93% from 3. Your comment is unintelligent gibberish and lacks context.


Moving goal posts now.

It's laughable that you think that teams wouldn't have Giddey on the scouting report when playing the Bulls.

As for context, how about using the assisted percentage after the LaVine trade for Giddey?

Not moving any goal posts. Just additional context. He still doesn’t create much for himself. That will create problems down the road. I showed you the numbers.


You showed numbers that are skewed by LaVine being here, context.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#144 » by PJSteven22 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 5:03 am

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Moving goal posts now.

It's laughable that you think that teams wouldn't have Giddey on the scouting report when playing the Bulls.

As for context, how about using the assisted percentage after the LaVine trade for Giddey?

Not moving any goal posts. Just additional context. He still doesn’t create much for himself. That will create problems down the road. I showed you the numbers.


You showed numbers that are skewed by LaVine being here, context.

44% of his 2s and 90.5 of his 3s were assisted in February. No significant drop off. Stop shifting goalposts please and thank you.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#145 » by Dan Z » Tue Feb 25, 2025 6:51 am

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Bring him back but dont overpay. That has been my stance since day 1.


What’s an overpay though?


To me anything, that doesn't involve an offer sheet.

The offer sheet is the market. We can then say, if that is an overpay for his services or not.


Is there a number where you wouldn't match an offer sheet?
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Post#146 » by gf2020hotmail » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:34 am

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What’s an overpay though?


To me anything, that doesn't involve an offer sheet.

The offer sheet is the market. We can then say, if that is an overpay for his services or not.


Is there a number where you wouldn't match an offer sheet?

The only team that give him an offer sheet over the midlevel is Brooklyn. The Bulls need to treat this like the Lauri RFA. They got to get him on a below market deal or not do it. Enough having awful deals like Pat or Felicio on the roster.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#147 » by WesPeace » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:58 am

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Guru wrote:Im rewatching and Huerter is great.....

Always liked Huerter, really glad this guy found his game again.Fits in so well.If he continues like this he definitely has a future here.


Finally had a good game.. lets see how he does for remainder of season. He had 2 3pt airballs previous game,while shooting all alone. Had some really ugly missed..
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#149 » by DASMACKDOWN » Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:32 pm

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What’s an overpay though?


To me anything, that doesn't involve an offer sheet.

The offer sheet is the market. We can then say, if that is an overpay for his services or not.


Is there a number where you wouldn't match an offer sheet?


It isnt an exact science because these deals go up so much each year. But lets say everything remains the same as last year in terms of cap and contracts that were given out.

Two things stand out, Immanuel Quickley and Jalen Suggs.

For the most part I would say a big portion of their fanbase was very weary paying them 30 mil a year. Unfortunately that also created the market to where others feels they should get. This is why the Giddey camp allegedly is asking for 30 mil.

The advantage that we have is we do not have to offer GIddey anywhere near that amount since the market is limited. There is no need to bid against ourselves.

So to me Id take anything under 30 mil. 30 mil for me would be a hard swallow. I do think he is worth more than 20 mil based on his peers. He has the age on his side and he has already improved on defense and 3pt shooting.

With that said, I highly doubt any team in the open market will offer him 30. So we can be fiscally smart and not be insulting but fair. Range from 20-25.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#150 » by Stratmaster » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:59 pm

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LikeMike23 wrote:The Bulls scored a season-high 75 points in the 1st half without P Will, Vooch, or Ayo.
peeps have been implying that vuc is the problem all year add Zach a little bit too .they definitely were "holding"players back.


Yeah. Lavine has been holding that Heurter guy back all season long damnit
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#151 » by Stratmaster » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:02 pm

Bwahaha. Play-ins here we come.

Gee... no Pwill or Co y in the starting lineup. I'm actually going to have to go back and watch the game. What took Billy so long?
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#152 » by Dan Z » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:43 pm

gf2020hotmail wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:
To me anything, that doesn't involve an offer sheet.

The offer sheet is the market. We can then say, if that is an overpay for his services or not.


Is there a number where you wouldn't match an offer sheet?

The only team that give him an offer sheet over the midlevel is Brooklyn. The Bulls need to treat this like the Lauri RFA. They got to get him on a below market deal or not do it. Enough having awful deals like Pat or Felicio on the roster.


One issue is that Giddey can point to PW and say that he's better than him (which he is). PW got a 5 year 90 million dollar contract (18 million per year).
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#153 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:06 pm

Dan Z wrote:
gf2020hotmail wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Is there a number where you wouldn't match an offer sheet?

The only team that give him an offer sheet over the midlevel is Brooklyn. The Bulls need to treat this like the Lauri RFA. They got to get him on a below market deal or not do it. Enough having awful deals like Pat or Felicio on the roster.


One issue is that Giddey can point to PW and say that he's better than him (which he is). PW got a 5 year 90 million dollar contract (18 million per year).


Obviously, his agent can make that argument, but I don't think "hey, the Bulls gave out a dumb contract, so they have to do it again" is particularly persuasive. If Pat's deal were viewed as a good decision, then it'd be different.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#154 » by Red8911 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:06 pm

Stratmaster wrote:Bwahaha. Play-ins here we come.

Gee... no Pwill or Co y in the starting lineup. I'm actually going to have to go back and watch the game. What took Billy so long?

Coby was supposed to be in the starting lineup but had some kind of last second cut issue so came in after.Then P Will is out for 2 weeks. Where have you been? Too busy watching Zach drop 40 in Sacramento ?
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#155 » by kodo » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:08 pm

Lavine had 42 points on only 19 shots as well, great night for Bulls guards.
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Post#156 » by Red8911 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:09 pm

WesPeace wrote:
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Guru wrote:Im rewatching and Huerter is great.....

Always liked Huerter, really glad this guy found his game again.Fits in so well.If he continues like this he definitely has a future here.


Finally had a good game.. lets see how he does for remainder of season. He had 2 3pt airballs previous game,while shooting all alone. Had some really ugly missed..

He’s been solid for 3 straight games now. If it’s just 1 or 2 bad shots that’s fine, when he first came here almost all his shots were way off.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#157 » by ChettheJet » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:14 pm

Well that's what it looks like when a team sits everybody they can for some real or imagined injury and the guys they throw out there are uninspired to do anything but get some stats. It's ugly and whole lot of people around here have long wanted the Bulls to do that again.

On the other hand the Bulls showed up and figured they needed to make an impression on the team to stay beyond the summer because they saw a chance to play or they didn't want to pack up the family and move again. Nobody was playing iso ball they all just kept passing the ball and moving without it and undermanned they still put up quite a game. For all the PWill haters, this is the kind of game he would have come up with 15-20 points, he could have moved without the ball without being assigned to spread the floor for Demar or Zach or having Vuc split his time clogging the lane or firing up 3's from the top of the key.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#158 » by DuckIII » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:26 pm

Stratmaster wrote:Bwahaha. Play-ins here we come.



Eh. We’ve played 7 games since the deadline. We destroyed an awful team that is in the midst of complete dysfunction and drama. The other 6 we lost by an average of 19 ppg.

The east is just absolutely putrid, it’s true. So it can’t be completely ruled out. And I’d be shocked if Philly doesn’t tank. But Brooklyn is 7-3 in their last 10 and we are really terrible. Reading the tea leaves we should still miss the play in. And for what it’s worth as we get closer I expect to see more in-game and rotational tank moves coming from the FO. I don’t actually believe they want to make it this year regardless of what AK says.

The next 7 games will tell a lot. We will presumably be the dog in all 7. We then play Brooklyn. They have 8 games between now and then. After that there is exactly one month left in the season.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#159 » by DuckIII » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:29 pm

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Stratmaster wrote:Bwahaha. Play-ins here we come.

Gee... no Pwill or Co y in the starting lineup. I'm actually going to have to go back and watch the game. What took Billy so long?

Coby was supposed to be in the starting lineup but had some kind of last second cut issue so came in after.Then P Will is out for 2 weeks. Where have you been? Too busy watching Zach drop 40 in Sacramento ?


Pretty sure even when he comes back P-Will will finish the season from the bench. He should anyway. They had already sent him there, his play improved in that role before he got hurt again, and Matas should get starters burn the rest of the year anyway.
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Re: Bulls @ Sixers 6:00pm CT Feb. 24 2025 

Post#160 » by WesPeace » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:46 pm

Red8911 wrote:
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Red8911 wrote:Always liked Huerter, really glad this guy found his game again.Fits in so well.If he continues like this he definitely has a future here.


Finally had a good game.. lets see how he does for remainder of season. He had 2 3pt airballs previous game,while shooting all alone. Had some really ugly missed..

He’s been solid for 3 straight games now. If it’s just 1 or 2 bad shots that’s fine, when he first came here almost all his shots were way off.


I dont know if he was solid vs Suns, yeah he was 4-10 for 3pts, played 30min, but hard to say he played good vet basketball overall, vs NYK we wasnt good imho.

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