Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[PJSteven22]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

[Dan Z]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

What team needs a point guard?

Nets? Pelicans (with Murray out)? Orlando? Suns? Jazz? Kings?

Out of those teams the Suns, Kings and Orlando don't have money. I'm not sure if the Pelicans do...?

Nets probably aren't interested. I don't know about the Suns. That leaves the Jazz, but do they want him?

The reason why I bring this up...I hope the Bulls don't bid against themselves when it comes time to his new contract.

[PJSteven22]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

What team needs a point guard?

Nets? Pelicans (with Murray out)? Orlando? Suns? Jazz? Kings?

Out of those teams the Suns, Kings and Orlando don't have money. I'm not sure if the Pelicans do...?

Nets probably aren't interested. I don't know about the Suns. That leaves the Jazz, but do they want him?

The reason why I bring this up...I hope the Bulls don't bid against themselves when it comes time to his new contract.

Orlando has Suggs and black. They need shooting more than anything. The Kings don’t have the money or the contracts to get Giddey. The Pelicans still have CJ and they play Zion at point a lot as well.

[Chi town]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

What team needs a point guard?

Nets? Pelicans (with Murray out)? Orlando? Suns? Jazz? Kings?

Out of those teams the Suns, Kings and Orlando don't have money. I'm not sure if the Pelicans do...?

Nets probably aren't interested. I don't know about the Suns. That leaves the Jazz, but do they want him?

The reason why I bring this up...I hope the Bulls don't bid against themselves when it comes time to his new contract.

Bidding against yourself is the AK way

[Chi town]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

What team needs a point guard?

Nets? Pelicans (with Murray out)? Orlando? Suns? Jazz? Kings?

Out of those teams the Suns, Kings and Orlando don't have money. I'm not sure if the Pelicans do...?

Nets probably aren't interested. I don't know about the Suns. That leaves the Jazz, but do they want him?

The reason why I bring this up...I hope the Bulls don't bid against themselves when it comes time to his new contract.

I’d think more S&T.

If Giddey balls out like he has past 4 games he will be getting 25M+ despite his weaknesses. Only way he doesn’t stay is if Bulls draft Harper or KJ and someone offers him crazy money

[Dan Z]

His skillset doesn’t really match with what teams need.

What team needs a point guard?

Nets? Pelicans (with Murray out)? Orlando? Suns? Jazz? Kings?

Out of those teams the Suns, Kings and Orlando don't have money. I'm not sure if the Pelicans do...?

Nets probably aren't interested. I don't know about the Suns. That leaves the Jazz, but do they want him?

The reason why I bring this up...I hope the Bulls don't bid against themselves when it comes time to his new contract.

I’d think more S&T.

If Giddey balls out like he has past 4 games he will be getting 25M+ despite his weaknesses. Only way he doesn’t stay is if Bulls draft Harper or KJ and someone offers him crazy money

Would any of those teams be willing to give up much for him in a S&T?

If the Bulls draft Harper or KJ then I'm not sure they should re-sign Giddey if it means 25+ million, but you're right...he'll get a good contract.

If nothing else he can say that he's better than PW and PW just got a 5 year 90 million dollar contract (18 million per year).

[RSP83]

what kind of team do you built featuring a guy like Giddey? Obviously it should start with surrounding him with strong defenders

[HomoSapien]

what kind of team do you built featuring a guy like Giddey? Obviously it should start with surrounding him with strong defenders

Athletes, lanky defenders, and shooters.

On offense, you want people who can run with him on a fast-break, spread the floor in the half-court, cut to the basket, and are lob threats.

On defense, you want long players who can help shrink the floor and use their length to make up for his foot speed.


Can you build a good team around him? Not sure. But I'm starting to ask that question for the first time.

[Jvaughn]

What team might offer him a contract other than the Bulls? When I look around the league I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing one.

I'd like him back for sure. I just hope the Bulls don't Patrick Williams the situation and bet against themselves in the market with a massive overpay.

[RSP83]

what kind of team do you built featuring a guy like Giddey? Obviously it should start with surrounding him with strong defenders

Athletes, lanky defenders, and shooters.

On offense, you want people who can run with him on a fast-break, spread the floor in the half-court, cut to the basket, and are lob threats.

On defense, you want long players who can help shrink the floor and use their length to make up for his foot speed.


Can you build a good team around him? Not sure. But I'm starting to ask that question for the first time.

Things I really like about Giddey is his passing, court vision, and most underrated part of his game is rebounding. He's actually a pretty tough kid, especially if you compare to charmin' Patrick Williams. It's really this part of his game that makes me think about this long-term possibility. Toughness is part of Chicago Bulls DNA that I love. It's the Nocionis, the Capn' Kirks, the Taj Gibsons, the Joakim Noahs toughness. I know Giddey is not that type of hard hat lunch pail dirty work type of guy, but I think Giddey's toughness has really been underrated by many.

But I understand it will all comes down to how much do we have to pay him.

[Jvaughn]

what kind of team do you built featuring a guy like Giddey? Obviously it should start with surrounding him with strong defenders

Athletes, lanky defenders, and shooters.

On offense, you want people who can run with him on a fast-break, spread the floor in the half-court, cut to the basket, and are lob threats.

On defense, you want long players who can help shrink the floor and use their length to make up for his foot speed.


Can you build a good team around him? Not sure. But I'm starting to ask that question for the first time.

Honestly a team like Toronto might be a great fit. They have great length and athleticism throughout that roster (Barnes, Ingram, Poetl, Boucher) with good shooters (Gradey, Boucher, Quickley, Agbaji). They definitely don't have the money, but I feel like that type of team makeup would be ideal.

[Ice Man]

As it turned out, great OP by Duck. I liked the trade when it happened because Giddey would likely have a higher ceiling than whatever pick we would get for AC. Then in the first half of the year I said to myself, OK fine. He didn't work out. There was no conundrum, because we would let him go. At least we got a guy who *could* have been good, instead of another future 6th man.

But now ... hmmm. Watching last night I thought man, if we had a core of Matas/Giddey that would be two long and skilled players, they could be dynamite on offense together, plus rebounding, plus Matas can defend too. Add a rim runner, a scoring SG, and a 2-way physical wing and that could be a real team.

So, now I have a conundrum.

[WesPeace]

So we draft Edgecombe if possible, PWill gets back to his rookie body to play 3&D role SF and we trade Vucevic or White for rim running defensive C.

Giddey, Edgecombe, Williams, Buzelis, new C
Bench mob : L.Ball, Ayo, Huerter, Terry, Phillips, Smith

[sco]

As it turned out, great OP by Duck. I liked the trade when it happened because Giddey would likely have a higher ceiling than whatever pick we would get for AC. Then in the first half of the year I said to myself, OK fine. He didn't work out. There was no conundrum, because we would let him go. At least we got a guy who *could* have been good, instead of another future 6th man.

But now ... hmmm. Watching last night I thought man, if we had a core of Matas/Giddey that would be two long and skilled players, they could be dynamite on offense together, plus rebounding, plus Matas can defend too. Add a rim runner, a scoring SG, and a 2-way physical wing and that could be a real team.

So, now I have a conundrum.

The one dynamic that has changed around the same time as his offensive improvement has been the Lavine trade. I feel like that trade somehow freed several guys from holding back on their offense. IMO, the truth is that that is likely more perception that reality. I do think that other than Zach, we have a roster of deferential minded guys, but Giddey cleary has more alpha in him than others (see his Olympics). The good news is that there is nothing likely to change that dynamic next season give our roster/contracts.

I also want to note that I continue to see decent defense out of Giddey. Again, if we deepfaked Pat over Giddey gametape, nobody here would be saying "Hmm, Pat looks worse on defense than usual". Is he gonna get blown by by quick guards...sure, but is he getting blown by by forwards, actually not so much. That leads me to my next point. If we can get over calling him a guard, and just call him a forward, alot of that defensive perception goes way.

I also want to debate the notion that he can't penetrate off the dribble. Is he Maxey or Ja, no, but I look at his ability to get to the rim off the dribble and he's miles ahead of Coby. He's not quick, but he's crafty and he's been pretty good at drawing fouls. He's also pretty effective at backing down smaller guards.

[Jcool0]

As it turned out, great OP by Duck. I liked the trade when it happened because Giddey would likely have a higher ceiling than whatever pick we would get for AC. Then in the first half of the year I said to myself, OK fine. He didn't work out. There was no conundrum, because we would let him go. At least we got a guy who *could* have been good, instead of another future 6th man.

But now ... hmmm. Watching last night I thought man, if we had a core of Matas/Giddey that would be two long and skilled players, they could be dynamite on offense together, plus rebounding, plus Matas can defend too. Add a rim runner, a scoring SG, and a 2-way physical wing and that could be a real team.

So, now I have a conundrum.

Kind of depends what your expectations where for him (if you weren't blinded by thinking AK got screwed in the deal). He started out hot from 3 but that only really lasted 5 games so not much to take away from that. From about November to mid December he was 27% from 3 on almost 4 attempts. But he was also averaging 6 rebounds, 7.2 assists & 1.1 steals. So while he wasn't scoring in the 15+ range (which is what i figured he would do) he was still contributing. Since December 28th he has been averaging 13.9 ppg on 46/40/85 with 8.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists and 2.2 stocks. Even with his red hot streak recently he isn't a max guy so this isn't like with Zack asking is he worth 40+ million a year. But even if you think hes not worth resigning, if you are going to want that disgruntled superstar looking to get out in the next few years, you are going to need him to even have a chance at the deal.

[Stratmaster]

As it turned out, great OP by Duck. I liked the trade when it happened because Giddey would likely have a higher ceiling than whatever pick we would get for AC. Then in the first half of the year I said to myself, OK fine. He didn't work out. There was no conundrum, because we would let him go. At least we got a guy who *could* have been good, instead of another future 6th man.

But now ... hmmm. Watching last night I thought man, if we had a core of Matas/Giddey that would be two long and skilled players, they could be dynamite on offense together, plus rebounding, plus Matas can defend too. Add a rim runner, a scoring SG, and a 2-way physical wing and that could be a real team.

So, now I have a conundrum.

Maybe they can trade for Gafford and Lavine and then sign Butler.

[Stratmaster]

As it turned out, great OP by Duck. I liked the trade when it happened because Giddey would likely have a higher ceiling than whatever pick we would get for AC. Then in the first half of the year I said to myself, OK fine. He didn't work out. There was no conundrum, because we would let him go. At least we got a guy who *could* have been good, instead of another future 6th man.

But now ... hmmm. Watching last night I thought man, if we had a core of Matas/Giddey that would be two long and skilled players, they could be dynamite on offense together, plus rebounding, plus Matas can defend too. Add a rim runner, a scoring SG, and a 2-way physical wing and that could be a real team.

So, now I have a conundrum.

Kind of depends what your expectations where for him (if you weren't blinded by thinking AK got screwed in the deal). He started out hot from 3 but that only really lasted 5 games so not much to take away from that. From about November to mid December he was 27% from 3 on almost 4 attempts. But he was also averaging 6 rebounds, 7.2 assists & 1.1 steals. So while he wasn't scoring in the 15+ range (which is what i figured he would do) he was still contributing. Since December 28th he has been averaging 13.9 ppg on 46/40/85 with 8.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists and 2.2 stocks. Even with his red hot streak recently he isn't a max guy so this isn't like with Zack asking is he worth 40+ million a year. But even if you think hes not worth resigning, if you are going to want that disgruntled superstar looking to get out in the next few years, you are going to need him to even have a chance at the deal.

Well, if Williams was worth 5/90 then Giddy is worth at least 5/150.

Of course if we judge contracts based on Williams every player on the league would be with at least 5/90.

[Stratmaster]

Bulls need to trade Coby and Vuc this offseason and just hand the team to Giddey, Matas and whoever we end up drafting.

Don't forget Williams. He also needs to go in one of those trades

[Stratmaster]

Winning 40 games as the second best player isn’t some crowning achievement. It honestly sounds like something AK would say.

As a 20 year old it’s pretty good. I like how you argue like Giddey is finished product at 22. Very bad faith.

No. His weaknesses aren’t age/maturity related. Meaning that him getting older is not going to fix his weaknesses. I think that’s what people miss. He wasn’t that good to begin with that year either. He shot 7 percent below league average TS% that year as well.

Giddey's biggest issues are shooting, which absolutely can get better with more time in the league, and decision making. Which absolutely can get better with maturity.

Who was the last player you saw run the point, put up 20+ points, and have multiple 16 rebound games?

[League Circles]

The excitement over Giddey is frankly hilarious in light of the mantras of most posters saying how important it is that we be bad for multiple years in the future in order to be able to draft really talented players.

You can't really insist that we tank/rebuild/start over blah blah blah if you are excited to commit long term to a quite flawed yet effective floor raiser like Giddey. It's like the exact opposite of what most have been saying they want. Predictable, but hilarious.

He's a fine player and all, might even run a good offense eventually. But he's just a different flavor of the types of guys we've had.