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Ritzo wrote:Big J wrote:Guys now are incredible, but they don’t care as much as MJ & Kobe did. Kobe was out there giving 110% effort in damn All Star games. MJ took every slight that was said about him personally, and avenged every single one of them.
That guy you're talking about retired 3 times
YogurtProducer wrote:Big J wrote:Guys now are incredible, but they don’t care as much as MJ & Kobe did. Kobe was out there giving 110% effort in damn All Star games. MJ took every slight that was said about him personally, and avenged every single one of them.
You are kidding yourself if you think MJ and Kobe cared more than others. Kobe and MJ were straight up d-bags who due to not coming up in the social media era have been able to market that as "caring".
You think LBJ "doesnt care" when the dude spends $1m+ a year to keep his body right? If he didnt care, why would he play into his 40s with generational wealth locked up?
You seriously think Giannis doesnt care? Or Curry? or any other great player in the league?
All because they don't try in an exhibition game lol
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
They didn't need to carry anything, they were popular basketball players. The league had plenty of popular basketball players that kept fans watching. You can speculate all you want but thats all thats ever gonna be.
The average American had no idea who those guys were unless they were playing against MJ in the Finals.
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog
1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.
by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53
im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
UglyBugBall wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Big J wrote:Guys now are incredible, but they don’t care as much as MJ & Kobe did. Kobe was out there giving 110% effort in damn All Star games. MJ took every slight that was said about him personally, and avenged every single one of them.
You are kidding yourself if you think MJ and Kobe cared more than others. Kobe and MJ were straight up d-bags who due to not coming up in the social media era have been able to market that as "caring".
You think LBJ "doesnt care" when the dude spends $1m+ a year to keep his body right? If he didnt care, why would he play into his 40s with generational wealth locked up?
You seriously think Giannis doesnt care? Or Curry? or any other great player in the league?
All because they don't try in an exhibition game lol
You proved our point. Players in the past cared so much that they couldn't even turn it off in an exhibition game. Players today can so no they don't care about competition even remotely close as much
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
ConSarnit wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
The lowest finals ratings in the 90’s were 94, 95 and 99. I wonder what happened in those years? The ‘94 finals saw a 30% drop in ratings from the previous season, which is a big number. The ‘98 to ‘99 drop off was 40%.
DOT wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:You are kidding yourself if you think MJ and Kobe cared more than others. Kobe and MJ were straight up d-bags who due to not coming up in the social media era have been able to market that as "caring".
You think LBJ "doesnt care" when the dude spends $1m+ a year to keep his body right? If he didnt care, why would he play into his 40s with generational wealth locked up?
You seriously think Giannis doesnt care? Or Curry? or any other great player in the league?
All because they don't try in an exhibition game lol
You proved our point. Players in the past cared so much that they couldn't even turn it off in an exhibition game. Players today can so no they don't care about competition even remotely close as much
Players cared so much they intentionally took worse shots and played worse basketball.
UglyBugBall wrote:DOT wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:
You proved our point. Players in the past cared so much that they couldn't even turn it off in an exhibition game. Players today can so no they don't care about competition even remotely close as much
Players cared so much they intentionally took worse shots and played worse basketball.
They took harder shots because they wanted to be the difference makers. Trying to cherry pick good shots indicates the player doesn't really care enough to try and force a win, rather they rely on the team to do it for them
Homer38 wrote:NBA4Lyfe wrote:klutch sports and their collusion see the recent luka/ad trade its what killing the nba
i wouldnt expect a klutch sports client like channing frye to say that tho
AD is a klutch client.....Not the case for Luka.And Lebron had no idea before this trade according to shams.Just stop for once.I trust way more Shams that your false story
And one of the other ridiculous thing but you will never admit, is that Harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, Powell was the best clippers players this year
dautjazz wrote:Personally I feel rule changes and analytics have made the game boring for me. Don't get wrong, I understand why teams discourage the midrange shots, but watching players post up and midrange shots was funner than teams spamming threes. It's also very difficult to defend three pointers, and rule changes have benefit offensive aspects of the game far more than defensively. I enjoyed games in the 90-100pt range, and now they have gotten ridiculously high scoring.
NBA4Lyfe wrote:Homer38 wrote:NBA4Lyfe wrote:klutch sports and their collusion see the recent luka/ad trade its what killing the nba
i wouldnt expect a klutch sports client like channing frye to say that tho
AD is a klutch client.....Not the case for Luka.And Lebron had no idea before this trade according to shams.Just stop for once.I trust way more Shams that your false story
And one of the other ridiculous thing but you will never admit, is that Harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, Powell was the best clippers players this year
uh yes you have not been paying attention.. i have said that numerous times already.. james harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, and if i was harden i would have declined it and let zubac or norman powell take that garbage.. its not like it would have helped or hurt their lousy tv ratings
now back to klutch sports and how they are killing the nba
stephen jackson recently on the all-the-smnoke podcast recently said that lebron and rich paul have "ears" on and inside every team in the nba. LOL how has adam silver not called for an investigation lol
the nba is a joke at this point
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavericks-interested-bronny-james-before-nba-draft-nico-harrison-like-an-uncle
nico harrison is a nike guy (nico may not have klutch sports attached to his name for obvious purposes, but he might as well be unofficially signed to them) in fact prior to this most recent nba draft said he viewed bronny like a "nephew." this is the same guy who got the ball rolling on trading basically a "shohei ohtani" level talent for peanuts on the dollar. This is how you can tell no one takes the nba serious, can you imagine if mahomes or the aformentioned ohtani was traded like that.. we would still be talking about it right now lol, everybody secretly knows the nba is corrupt and really now only watch ocassionally because of the explosion in sports betting.
I dont care about harden not winning a championship lol, it was never in his control at any point of his career. 2018 was the only year and the NBA stepped in and prevented him from making a finals, yes the 2021 injury hurts.. but their was no guarentee that the nets make the finals or even win it that year either. You are overlooking the ref problem, that along with a whole host of other issues and is why the nba is at its lowest point in decades lol.
Klutch Sports is a problem one because everyone knows lebron is the co-founder with rich paul, and that should be illegal, but whatever i guess.
Homer38 wrote:NBA4Lyfe wrote:Homer38 wrote:
AD is a klutch client.....Not the case for Luka.And Lebron had no idea before this trade according to shams.Just stop for once.I trust way more Shams that your false story
And one of the other ridiculous thing but you will never admit, is that Harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, Powell was the best clippers players this year
uh yes you have not been paying attention.. i have said that numerous times already.. james harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, and if i was harden i would have declined it and let zubac or norman powell take that garbage.. its not like it would have helped or hurt their lousy tv ratings
now back to klutch sports and how they are killing the nba
stephen jackson recently on the all-the-smnoke podcast recently said that lebron and rich paul have "ears" on and inside every team in the nba. LOL how has adam silver not called for an investigation lol
the nba is a joke at this point
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavericks-interested-bronny-james-before-nba-draft-nico-harrison-like-an-uncle
nico harrison is a nike guy (nico may not have klutch sports attached to his name for obvious purposes, but he might as well be unofficially signed to them) in fact prior to this most recent nba draft said he viewed bronny like a "nephew." this is the same guy who got the ball rolling on trading basically a "shohei ohtani" level talent for peanuts on the dollar. This is how you can tell no one takes the nba serious, can you imagine if mahomes or the aformentioned ohtani was traded like that.. we would still be talking about it right now lol, everybody secretly knows the nba is corrupt and really now only watch ocassionally because of the explosion in sports betting.
I dont care about harden not winning a championship lol, it was never in his control at any point of his career. 2018 was the only year and the NBA stepped in and prevented him from making a finals, yes the 2021 injury hurts.. but their was no guarentee that the nets make the finals or even win it that year either. You are overlooking the ref problem, that along with a whole host of other issues and is why the nba is at its lowest point in decades lol.
Klutch Sports is a problem one because everyone knows lebron is the co-founder with rich paul, and that should be illegal, but whatever i guess.
stephen jackson
NBA4Lyfe wrote:Homer38 wrote:NBA4Lyfe wrote:
uh yes you have not been paying attention.. i have said that numerous times already.. james harden did not deserve to be an all-star this year, and if i was harden i would have declined it and let zubac or norman powell take that garbage.. its not like it would have helped or hurt their lousy tv ratings
now back to klutch sports and how they are killing the nba
stephen jackson recently on the all-the-smnoke podcast recently said that lebron and rich paul have "ears" on and inside every team in the nba. LOL how has adam silver not called for an investigation lol
the nba is a joke at this point
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavericks-interested-bronny-james-before-nba-draft-nico-harrison-like-an-uncle
nico harrison is a nike guy (nico may not have klutch sports attached to his name for obvious purposes, but he might as well be unofficially signed to them) in fact prior to this most recent nba draft said he viewed bronny like a "nephew." this is the same guy who got the ball rolling on trading basically a "shohei ohtani" level talent for peanuts on the dollar. This is how you can tell no one takes the nba serious, can you imagine if mahomes or the aformentioned ohtani was traded like that.. we would still be talking about it right now lol, everybody secretly knows the nba is corrupt and really now only watch ocassionally because of the explosion in sports betting.
I dont care about harden not winning a championship lol, it was never in his control at any point of his career. 2018 was the only year and the NBA stepped in and prevented him from making a finals, yes the 2021 injury hurts.. but their was no guarentee that the nets make the finals or even win it that year either. You are overlooking the ref problem, that along with a whole host of other issues and is why the nba is at its lowest point in decades lol.
Klutch Sports is a problem one because everyone knows lebron is the co-founder with rich paul, and that should be illegal, but whatever i guess.
stephen jackson
predictable response
ScrantonBulls wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:They didn't need to carry anything, they were popular basketball players. The league had plenty of popular basketball players that kept fans watching. You can speculate all you want but thats all thats ever gonna be.
The average American had no idea who those guys were unless they were playing against MJ in the Finals.
You trying to tell me that average Americans didn't know who Clyde "Can't Dribble Left-handed" Drexler was?
ConSarnit wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
The lowest finals ratings in the 90’s were 94, 95 and 99. I wonder what happened in those years? The ‘94 finals saw a 30% drop in ratings from the previous season, which is a big number. The ‘98 to ‘99 drop off was 40%.
Lalouie wrote:nostalgia is just fighting back at people today yakking about how much better today is than yesterday
no other sport obsesses about this like the nba
ScrantonBulls wrote:SkyBill40 wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:People like you this delusional regarding a **** GOAT debate is honestly just weird.
It's what we call SARCASM, my dude. FFS. Get a grip. It's not even remotely that serious. People like you are hilarious.
SweaterBae wrote:It's the perfect trade when nobody is happy.