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It's from Twitter so I don't know if this is in fact a quote from JT. Must be from that Washington Post article.
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Post#25 » by OnlyTheTruth » Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:31 am

He is being disrespected why ? He is not a tier 1 generational talent. Superstar yes, but thats where it ends
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ConstableGeneva wrote:It's from Twitter so I don't know if this is in fact a quote from JT. Must be from that Washington Post article.
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Post#27 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:12 pm

Stay healthy, have a long career, and his resume will speak for itself when it's all said and done.

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OnlyTheTruth wrote:He is being disrespected why ? He is not a tier 1 generational talent. Superstar yes, but thats where it ends


Outside of Bron Steph and KD who is?
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Post#29 » by ThePigeon » Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:28 pm

OnlyTheTruth wrote:He is being disrespected why ? He is not a tier 1 generational talent. Superstar yes, but thats where it ends


1-2 more ring and he will be
Stay tuned

And as I said - I am glad that he is on our team and I wouldn't trade him for anyone else right now. He is peaking right when our championship window is wide open
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Post#30 » by bigboi » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:12 pm

Doesn’t mattter. We about to 3peat. Tatum will be a top 20 player all time by accolades when it’s said and done
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Post#31 » by shackles10 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:39 pm

The "needs 1 to 2 more rings" thing is weird to me. SGA, Brunson, Ant have zero rings. Why don't they have to wait for 2-3 more rings? lol.
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Post#32 » by Bar Fight » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:40 pm

shackles10 wrote:The "needs 1 to 2 more rings" thing is weird to me. SGA, Brunson, Ant have zero rings. Why don't they have to wait for 2-3 more rings? lol.

Ant is a young player, he hasn't been around long enough to nitpick like JT has. SGA is having a monster season and is leading the youngest team in the league to a historically great record. That's unheard of. Who outside of NY considers Brunson a top 5 player (or having top 5 potential)? Seems like he's properly rated as a top 15 player(maybe lower end of the top 10 at best) by most people.
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Post#33 » by shackles10 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:16 pm

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shackles10 wrote:The "needs 1 to 2 more rings" thing is weird to me. SGA, Brunson, Ant have zero rings. Why don't they have to wait for 2-3 more rings? lol.

Ant is a young player, he hasn't been around long enough to nitpick like JT has. SGA is having a monster season and is leading the youngest team in the league to a historically great record. That's unheard of. Who outside of NY considers Brunson a top 5 player (or having top 5 potential)? Seems like he's properly rated as a top 15 player(maybe lower end of the top 10 at best) by most people.


If Thunder fall short this year will SGA get the Tatum treatment though? They're basically the same age so I have my doubts. I think a lot of people put Tatum at the end of the top 10 and the fact that he gets All-NBA first team is just because he plays enough games compared to players they'd rate ahead of him otherwise so similar to Brunson rankings you're estimating.
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Post#34 » by 31to6 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:36 pm

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Bar Fight wrote:
shackles10 wrote:The "needs 1 to 2 more rings" thing is weird to me. SGA, Brunson, Ant have zero rings. Why don't they have to wait for 2-3 more rings? lol.

Ant is a young player, he hasn't been around long enough to nitpick like JT has. SGA is having a monster season and is leading the youngest team in the league to a historically great record. That's unheard of. Who outside of NY considers Brunson a top 5 player (or having top 5 potential)? Seems like he's properly rated as a top 15 player(maybe lower end of the top 10 at best) by most people.


If Thunder fall short this year will SGA get the Tatum treatment though? They're basically the same age so I have my doubts. I think a lot of people put Tatum at the end of the top 10 and the fact that he gets All-NBA first team is just because he plays enough games compared to players they'd rate ahead of him otherwise so similar to Brunson rankings you're estimating.


Isn't this why we're saying one or two more titles for Tatum to get truly popular?
    He scores a lot -- but he's settled in below 30ppg instead of over it (with good reason) -- unlike Shai
    He passes well -- but he's up to 6apg average and that's cool, but it's not Jokic or Luka constant triple double #s
    He rebounds well -- but again, 9rpg doesn't grab headlines
    He defends well -- but he's not going to lead the league in steals like Shai or get DPOY votes
    He drives and dunks -- but not like Ja or Anthony Edwards -- and he hits 3s but not like Steph, and people decided his form is funky which I honestly haven't ever 'gotten', but it's a meme
    And he blows kisses to the crowds and sells potato chips and decent sneakers and he's a mild-mannered dad and to some of us that's cool, but to the Tik Tok generation he's considered corny
    He's from Boston and **** the Celtics and Boston because THEY AIN'T US and [content warning] Boston's considered racist

I don't know. I don't care about any of this. Add two more titles and people will have to be like well damn, I guess this guy's an all-timer and not just, like, Devin Booker with a ring
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Post#36 » by 31to6 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:40 pm

Any ways my wife doesn't care about sports, and doesn't know who SGA is, or Luka, or Jokic, or Brunson -- and wouldn't know about Tatum or Brown if I weren't a fanatic -- she just knows LeBron, Curry, and I guess Durant. Possibly Giannis but if so it's fading.
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Post#37 » by Shak_Celts » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:53 pm

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Post#38 » by Shak_Celts » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:59 pm

shackles10 wrote:The "needs 1 to 2 more rings" thing is weird to me. SGA, Brunson, Ant have zero rings. Why don't they have to wait for 2-3 more rings? lol.

He will need more rings to be curry nem type of talk. He’s better than all his other young peers and IDC that people disagree.
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Post#39 » by Shak_Celts » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:05 pm

31to6 wrote:
shackles10 wrote:
Bar Fight wrote:Ant is a young player, he hasn't been around long enough to nitpick like JT has. SGA is having a monster season and is leading the youngest team in the league to a historically great record. That's unheard of. Who outside of NY considers Brunson a top 5 player (or having top 5 potential)? Seems like he's properly rated as a top 15 player(maybe lower end of the top 10 at best) by most people.


If Thunder fall short this year will SGA get the Tatum treatment though? They're basically the same age so I have my doubts. I think a lot of people put Tatum at the end of the top 10 and the fact that he gets All-NBA first team is just because he plays enough games compared to players they'd rate ahead of him otherwise so similar to Brunson rankings you're estimating.


Isn't this why we're saying one or two more titles for Tatum to get truly popular?
    He scores a lot -- but he's settled in below 30ppg instead of over it (with good reason) -- unlike Shai
    He passes well -- but he's up to 6apg average and that's cool, but it's not Jokic or Luka constant triple double #s
    He rebounds well -- but again, 9rpg doesn't grab headlines
    He defends well -- but he's not going to lead the league in steals like Shai or get DPOY votes
    He drives and dunks -- but not like Ja or Anthony Edwards -- and he hits 3s but not like Steph, and people decided his form is funky which I honestly haven't ever 'gotten', but it's a meme
    And he blows kisses to the crowds and sells potato chips and decent sneakers and he's a mild-mannered dad and to some of us that's cool, but to the Tik Tok generation he's considered corny
    He's from Boston and **** the Celtics and Boston because THEY AIN'T US and [content warning] Boston's considered racist

I don't know. I don't care about any of this. Add two more titles and people will have to be like well damn, I guess this guy's an all-timer and not just, like, Devin Booker with a ring


That’s a bunch of, “he’s not doing it like them,” but are they doing it like him? No, because even most of the greats weren’t him at the same age! Time will tell the whole story, but nobody in Tatum’s age range is on his level! They gotta win and show me, just like the media lied and said Tatum would need to do! It’s Tatum and the other youngins Aintum!
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Post#40 » by 31to6 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:04 pm

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If Thunder fall short this year will SGA get the Tatum treatment though? They're basically the same age so I have my doubts. I think a lot of people put Tatum at the end of the top 10 and the fact that he gets All-NBA first team is just because he plays enough games compared to players they'd rate ahead of him otherwise so similar to Brunson rankings you're estimating.


Isn't this why we're saying one or two more titles for Tatum to get truly popular?
    He scores a lot -- but he's settled in below 30ppg instead of over it (with good reason) -- unlike Shai
    He passes well -- but he's up to 6apg average and that's cool, but it's not Jokic or Luka constant triple double #s
    He rebounds well -- but again, 9rpg doesn't grab headlines
    He defends well -- but he's not going to lead the league in steals like Shai or get DPOY votes
    He drives and dunks -- but not like Ja or Anthony Edwards -- and he hits 3s but not like Steph, and people decided his form is funky which I honestly haven't ever 'gotten', but it's a meme
    And he blows kisses to the crowds and sells potato chips and decent sneakers and he's a mild-mannered dad and to some of us that's cool, but to the Tik Tok generation he's considered corny
    He's from Boston and **** the Celtics and Boston because THEY AIN'T US and [content warning] Boston's considered racist

I don't know. I don't care about any of this. Add two more titles and people will have to be like well damn, I guess this guy's an all-timer and not just, like, Devin Booker with a ring


That’s a bunch of, “he’s not doing it like them,” but are they doing it like him? No, because even most of the greats weren’t him at the same age! Time will tell the whole story, but nobody in Tatum’s age range is on his level! They gotta win and show me, just like the media lied and said Tatum would need to do! It’s Tatum and the other youngins Aintum!


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Maybe people are uncomfortable with Tatum because he defies easy comparison?

He's not Kobe.
He's not MJ.
He's not Luka, who TRASH.

Like: he's maybe shorter Durant. And a less transcendent scorer, but perhaps better all-around player. KD has two rings, one MVP, and is sometimes mentioned as a border-line 'top 10 all time' guy, but is realistically closer to 'top 20.'

He's maybe discount-LeBron-esque, but that seems awkward to talk about.

Amongst all-time Celtics?
No one will ever be Russell.
He's not Larry -- though why not shoot for it?
A Pierce comp doesn't seem particularly exciting, and much as I love The Truth (all time favorite career I've seen all of), Tatum's on track to surpass him.

Does that leave -- new thought for me -- Havlicek?

Disclaimer: I didn't see him. But Hondo seems perhaps the most underrated player in NBA history: 8 rings, 13 All Stars, 4 All NBA 1st team and 7 All NBA 2nd. 26k points. 21/6/5 for his career and I believe very clutch and enormous grit. "Only" 37th in career all-time NBA win-shares (14th in defensive win shares), so maybe I'm missing something, but I propose for possibly some discussion:

Is Tatum on a career trajectory that might seem more like Hondo than Bird? Is that the type and level of 'star' he seems?

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