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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#561 » by mpharris36 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:56 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Our 2nd round matchup is likely vs the celtics how in the world is Mitch going to help in that series?

Mitch guards KP?

And KAT guards who?

I have no problem with Mitch playing a lot vs CLE that is a good matchup for him. But we still need to adjust our play style and scheme vs BOS regardless if Mitch is considered the starting center.


I don’t even think we should be looking past any first round matchup honestly


of course not...but I don't even want to have that conversation if we lose in the 1st round :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#562 » by robillionaire » Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:59 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Our 2nd round matchup is likely vs the celtics how in the world is Mitch going to help in that series?

Mitch guards KP?

And KAT guards who?

I have no problem with Mitch playing a lot vs CLE that is a good matchup for him. But we still need to adjust our play style and scheme vs BOS regardless if Mitch is considered the starting center.


I don’t even think we should be looking past any first round matchup honestly


of course not...but I don't even want to have that conversation if we lose in the 1st round :lol:


On Boston, he might not help that much but he probably could have helped when they were playing two bigs in KP and Kornet and we couldn’t handle them both
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#563 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:03 pm

It feels like people are hoping Mitch doesn’t fix anything just so Thibs gets fired
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#564 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:03 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Our 2nd round matchup is likely vs the celtics how in the world is Mitch going to help in that series?

Mitch guards KP?

And KAT guards who?

I have no problem with Mitch playing a lot vs CLE that is a good matchup for him. But we still need to adjust our play style and scheme vs BOS regardless if Mitch is considered the starting center.


I don’t even think we should be looking past any first round matchup honestly




I don't think the Pistons have any real chance against us, they're too young. Season series aside, their best player doesn't have the playoff experience yet.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#565 » by Fury » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:12 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:It feels like people are hoping Mitch doesn’t fix anything just so Thibs gets fired


I hope Thibs is proven right and that's what he's been doing all along (waiting for Mitch to slide into an important role in his defense). I do remember that when the KAT trade was made, they talked about how one one of the reasons they made the trade is because KAT can play both 4/5, holding the fort until Mitch returns and implying that they do not see him as strictly a 5.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#566 » by mpharris36 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:14 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:Our 2nd round matchup is likely vs the celtics how in the world is Mitch going to help in that series?

Mitch guards KP?

And KAT guards who?

I have no problem with Mitch playing a lot vs CLE that is a good matchup for him. But we still need to adjust our play style and scheme vs BOS regardless if Mitch is considered the starting center.


I don’t even think we should be looking past any first round matchup honestly




I don't think the Pistons have any real chance against us, they're too young. Season series aside, their best player doesn't have the playoff experience yet.


Yeah and for a entire series to prepare there is no way even as much as I get frustrated at thibs lack of 3pt line coverage are they going to continue to leave Malik Bealsey open for 3....

Not really worried about having to guard Duren...and we can put him in a ton of P&R's he's not a good defender.

MIL if they sink to 6 I'm not too worried about that matchup either.

Indy we should beat as well but they probably would be the toughest but they have been playing well as of late so doubt they drop to 6.

Pistons have been good but they are really young. We have way more playoff experience.
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Post#567 » by HopelessKnick » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:52 pm

One final note on the game: Despite the defense and all, for me the biggest problem was the offense in the first quarter. It wasn't just Bridges dissapearing, it was Hart reluctant to shoot, OG looking like in super slow motion and KAT being completely invisible as well. We gave up 64points at the half. If we managed to put together 55 on our side, we would have been easily in the game.

Despite Thibs being completely outcoached against elite teams and making many bad decisions this season, we cannot have everyone outside JB playing like they are scared.

As for the strategy: Early on KAT must establish himself on offense. There is no realistic way for the Knicks to hide KAT against a team like Boston---the only realistic strategy is for KAT to be super aggressive against them, shoot, drive, draw fouls etc. He must essentially score 35+ points to offset the defensive disadvantage. What use is it to have him in there, shoot like 3 shots at halftime while giving up all those open looks on defense?
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#568 » by HEZI » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:40 pm

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If the players were coached properly they would know their roles in this situation. Clearly they don’t. OG should’ve stayed with Kornet and Towns should’ve picked up Tatum from the jump, but there’s miscommunication and uncertainty here and that’s on the coach. Mikal did fine against KP there too?


KP had Mikal completely sealed off calling for the lob and there was no defender between him and the rim. That’s an over the top lob for a dunk. How is that doing fine? Mikal was cooked in that situation. The only help defender was KAT who was stuck in no man’s land. You tell KAT to play up more and Mikal is cooked. That’s a dunk/layup no matter what. Whether it’s KP or Tatum



That didn’t happen tho. The whole time Mikal was watching White looking to get the ball to Kornet/Tatum to run a play while he was pushing KP out of the way. Do I love him fronting KP for a split second at any time during this battle for position? No, but his effort and ability to read the offense to know he’s not at risk of giving up that pass is fine enough that I’ll let it slide.

Perhaps if these guys were better prepared things like this wouldn’t happen. Isn’t that Thibs supposed specialty? Our guys should know not to front KP at any time since the guy can be effectively guarded and pushed around by a 6’0” guard in the post (like he was guarded by Jalen this game at one point). Just like they should know that Boston takes more 3’s than 2’s per game and we should prioritize guarding the 3 over playing drop and protecting the rim.

If we committed to a more switch heavy defense then Towns wouldn’t have been out of position there and would’ve been ready to take Tatum on 1 on 1 and lived with the results. I’ve already mentioned KAT isn’t a rim protector and shouldn’t be in drop coverage (just like everyone else on this forum all season)… he doesn’t possess the necessary skills, but man defense…he’s solid and that’s been proven time and again by him guarding guys 1 on 1 either in the post (against guys like Joker) or iso on the perimeter (against guys like Tatum or SGA). He just has to know wtf his role is and as it stands now, he’s asked to do too much and he’s just not mentally capable of covering the way he’s asked.


Not sure what you are seeing but Mikal was sealed off and was giving up the basket to a 7’4 athletic big who could have easily scored on an alley oop. The only reason Kornet hesitated was because KAT was sinking down to try to help. Mikal was cooked there

We actually held Boston to below their season average for 3s so that’s not where we got punished the most. It was on the interior. They were getting layups and dunks in half court and in transition. Not only is our half court defense bad but we have been getting murdered in transition.

We have tried multiple different coverage schemes but none are successful because we have two of the worst, if not the worst, defensive players at the 1 and 5. Certain players just have limitations that no coach can really fix. There needs to be a tweak to the roster for us to become a good defensive team again. For now we are not built to be a defensive team, we are an offensive team that still has weaknesses offensively when pressured by most good defenses.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#569 » by Guano » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:56 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:It feels like people are hoping Mitch doesn’t fix anything just so Thibs gets fired



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Post#570 » by Guano » Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:58 pm

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TheGreenArrow wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:Our 2nd round matchup is likely vs the celtics how in the world is Mitch going to help in that series?

Mitch guards KP?

And KAT guards who?

I have no problem with Mitch playing a lot vs CLE that is a good matchup for him. But we still need to adjust our play style and scheme vs BOS regardless if Mitch is considered the starting center.

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KAT was always going to play minutes with Mitch...I just think its crazy to think Mitch is being banked on to play 30ish minutes a night as a starter...if thats the case.


Thibs has been playing OG his most mins so this sht should come as some surprise.
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Post#571 » by mpharris36 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:07 pm

I love the fact Mitch is back (or will be back very soon)...he will be a great addition as long as he stays healthy. Precious goes back to a spot minutes type guy which is his best role as well. I just don't love the fact that the entire defensive scheme is being relied on a guy that isn't reliable to stay on the court.

He certainly comes back an becomes our best rim protector and offensive rebounder...there is serious value in that. Also KAT still needs to play a good amount of 5 to keep Josh Hart being as effective as he's been. If Hart is running a lot with Mitch or Precious that really hurts our spacing.
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Post#572 » by Spree2Houston » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:09 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:It feels like people are hoping Mitch doesn’t fix anything just so Thibs gets fired


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Post#573 » by spree8 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:34 pm

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KP had Mikal completely sealed off calling for the lob and there was no defender between him and the rim. That’s an over the top lob for a dunk. How is that doing fine? Mikal was cooked in that situation. The only help defender was KAT who was stuck in no man’s land. You tell KAT to play up more and Mikal is cooked. That’s a dunk/layup no matter what. Whether it’s KP or Tatum



That didn’t happen tho. The whole time Mikal was watching White looking to get the ball to Kornet/Tatum to run a play while he was pushing KP out of the way. Do I love him fronting KP for a split second at any time during this battle for position? No, but his effort and ability to read the offense to know he’s not at risk of giving up that pass is fine enough that I’ll let it slide.

Perhaps if these guys were better prepared things like this wouldn’t happen. Isn’t that Thibs supposed specialty? Our guys should know not to front KP at any time since the guy can be effectively guarded and pushed around by a 6’0” guard in the post (like he was guarded by Jalen this game at one point). Just like they should know that Boston takes more 3’s than 2’s per game and we should prioritize guarding the 3 over playing drop and protecting the rim.

If we committed to a more switch heavy defense then Towns wouldn’t have been out of position there and would’ve been ready to take Tatum on 1 on 1 and lived with the results. I’ve already mentioned KAT isn’t a rim protector and shouldn’t be in drop coverage (just like everyone else on this forum all season)… he doesn’t possess the necessary skills, but man defense…he’s solid and that’s been proven time and again by him guarding guys 1 on 1 either in the post (against guys like Joker) or iso on the perimeter (against guys like Tatum or SGA). He just has to know wtf his role is and as it stands now, he’s asked to do too much and he’s just not mentally capable of covering the way he’s asked.


Not sure what you are seeing but Mikal was sealed off and was giving up the basket to a 7’4 athletic big who could have easily scored on an alley oop. The only reason Kornet hesitated was because KAT was sinking down to try to help. Mikal was cooked there

We actually held Boston to below their season average for 3s so that’s not where we got punished the most. It was on the interior. They were getting layups and dunks in half court and in transition. Not only is our half court defense bad but we have been getting murdered in transition.

We have tried multiple different coverage schemes but none are successful because we have two of the worst, if not the worst, defensive players at the 1 and 5. Certain players just have limitations that no coach can really fix. There needs to be a tweak to the roster for us to become a good defensive team again. For now we are not built to be a defensive team, we are an offensive team that still has weaknesses offensively when pressured by most good defenses.



I’m quite literally seeing everything… I watched the video like a dozen times and paused it 100 times to break it down from all perspectives. Kornet never looks to pass to KP… ever. Not once. In fact, before he even gets the ball, mid pass, he’s already looking at Tatum to dump it off to him. He told Jrue to get back to the corner right before that. That was the play the whole time.

I wouldn’t say we “held” them below their season average like it’s an accomplishment. They shot 44 attempts (only 4 below their average) on 39%. Same way I wouldn’t say we “held” them below their average the previous game when they beat the shyt out of us by 30 points. More like they chilled out on their 3pt attack during garbage time. And that massacre in the season opener… 61 attempts on 48% shooting. Yeah, guarding their 3 is a problem just like with every team. The only improvement I saw on a few occasions was running them off the 3pt line.

Our half court defense is bad because we force guys like Mikal who leads the league in minutes and going up against screens into the POA defender role and KAT into drop coverage.

Our transition defense is bad because Thibs thinks he has last years team and has undersized guys fighting for offensive rebounds while the opposing players leak out.

The majority of the board seems to know the basic things that will help the team out significantly. Thibs is just stubborn and set in his ways… he likes to force square pegs into round holes.

This is coming from someone who defended him last year especially during the playoffs when he showed some ability to make adjustments (like when Jalen was getting destroyed games 1 & 2). Coming into this year, knowing this roster didn’t fit him, and seeing it all unfold, I have to take the homer lenses off and try to be objective to really understand what the hell is going on with the team. Can’t be loyal to a player or coach over the team as a whole.
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Post#574 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:28 pm

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Post#575 » by ezmoney707 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:45 pm

Guano wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:It feels like people are hoping Mitch doesn’t fix anything just so Thibs gets fired



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Post#576 » by ezmoney707 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:55 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I love the fact Mitch is back (or will be back very soon)...he will be a great addition as long as he stays healthy. Precious goes back to a spot minutes type guy which is his best role as well. I just don't love the fact that the entire defensive scheme is being relied on a guy that isn't reliable to stay on the court.

He certainly comes back an becomes our best rim protector and offensive rebounder...there is serious value in that. Also KAT still needs to play a good amount of 5 to keep Josh Hart being as effective as he's been. If Hart is running a lot with Mitch or Precious that really hurts our spacing.

I know we can’t really trust Mitch’s health, but as far as roster balance goes this sure does help.

Josh’s bench production will help stabilize that 2nd unit and you can play him as a point forward which
will allow Deuce and Cam to be scorers rather than facilitators.

Just gotta hope the medical team has a sound plan to keep him healthy, at the very least we get to see this team with a traditional anchor and make decisions going forward based on the results.
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Post#577 » by HEZI » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:15 am

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HEZI wrote:
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That didn’t happen tho. The whole time Mikal was watching White looking to get the ball to Kornet/Tatum to run a play while he was pushing KP out of the way. Do I love him fronting KP for a split second at any time during this battle for position? No, but his effort and ability to read the offense to know he’s not at risk of giving up that pass is fine enough that I’ll let it slide.

Perhaps if these guys were better prepared things like this wouldn’t happen. Isn’t that Thibs supposed specialty? Our guys should know not to front KP at any time since the guy can be effectively guarded and pushed around by a 6’0” guard in the post (like he was guarded by Jalen this game at one point). Just like they should know that Boston takes more 3’s than 2’s per game and we should prioritize guarding the 3 over playing drop and protecting the rim.

If we committed to a more switch heavy defense then Towns wouldn’t have been out of position there and would’ve been ready to take Tatum on 1 on 1 and lived with the results. I’ve already mentioned KAT isn’t a rim protector and shouldn’t be in drop coverage (just like everyone else on this forum all season)… he doesn’t possess the necessary skills, but man defense…he’s solid and that’s been proven time and again by him guarding guys 1 on 1 either in the post (against guys like Joker) or iso on the perimeter (against guys like Tatum or SGA). He just has to know wtf his role is and as it stands now, he’s asked to do too much and he’s just not mentally capable of covering the way he’s asked.


Not sure what you are seeing but Mikal was sealed off and was giving up the basket to a 7’4 athletic big who could have easily scored on an alley oop. The only reason Kornet hesitated was because KAT was sinking down to try to help. Mikal was cooked there

We actually held Boston to below their season average for 3s so that’s not where we got punished the most. It was on the interior. They were getting layups and dunks in half court and in transition. Not only is our half court defense bad but we have been getting murdered in transition.

We have tried multiple different coverage schemes but none are successful because we have two of the worst, if not the worst, defensive players at the 1 and 5. Certain players just have limitations that no coach can really fix. There needs to be a tweak to the roster for us to become a good defensive team again. For now we are not built to be a defensive team, we are an offensive team that still has weaknesses offensively when pressured by most good defenses.



I’m quite literally seeing everything… I watched the video like a dozen times and paused it 100 times to break it down from all perspectives. Kornet never looks to pass to KP… ever. Not once. In fact, before he even gets the ball, mid pass, he’s already looking at Tatum to dump it off to him. He told Jrue to get back to the corner right before that. That was the play the whole time.

I wouldn’t say we “held” them below their season average like it’s an accomplishment. They shot 44 attempts (only 4 below their average) on 39%. Same way I wouldn’t say we “held” them below their average the previous game when they beat the shyt out of us by 30 points. More like they chilled out on their 3pt attack during garbage time. And that massacre in the season opener… 61 attempts on 48% shooting. Yeah, guarding their 3 is a problem just like with every team. The only improvement I saw on a few occasions was running them off the 3pt line.

Our half court defense is bad because we force guys like Mikal who leads the league in minutes and going up against screens into the POA defender role and KAT into drop coverage.

Our transition defense is bad because Thibs thinks he has last years team and has undersized guys fighting for offensive rebounds while the opposing players leak out.

The majority of the board seems to know the basic things that will help the team out significantly. Thibs is just stubborn and set in his ways… he likes to force square pegs into round holes.

This is coming from someone who defended him last year especially during the playoffs when he showed some ability to make adjustments (like when Jalen was getting destroyed games 1 & 2). Coming into this year, knowing this roster didn’t fit him, and seeing it all unfold, I have to take the homer lenses off and try to be objective to really understand what the hell is going on with the team. Can’t be loyal to a player or coach over the team as a whole.


There are multiple options for the Celtics and none of them are good for the Knicks. With KAT not dropping down to help, White can just lob it to KP. With KAT dropping and being quicker to recover, Kornet can make that pass. With KAT helping but being slow to recover leaves Tatum for the hand off and the mismatch on KAT. All types of mismatches created by the switch and us not having the right personnel for it to work successfully.

They didn’t chill out on their 3 point attack, they just took advantage of us adjusting to trying to guard the 3 and they destroyed us on the interior. We tried doing it before with other teams and they did the exact same thing. It’s not secret we can’t guard the 3 or the inside so teams, especially the elite ones, can easily score on us however they choose.

Transition defense sucks because of many things. Sometimes it’s just lack of effort, sometimes it’s just Brunson being too slow or small, sometimes it’s just careless turnovers from the offense.

I think to really be objective you have to look at both players and the coach and not just at one but a rosters limitations will always limit what a coach can and can’t do with it
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#578 » by mpharris36 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:51 am

ezmoney707 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I love the fact Mitch is back (or will be back very soon)...he will be a great addition as long as he stays healthy. Precious goes back to a spot minutes type guy which is his best role as well. I just don't love the fact that the entire defensive scheme is being relied on a guy that isn't reliable to stay on the court.

He certainly comes back an becomes our best rim protector and offensive rebounder...there is serious value in that. Also KAT still needs to play a good amount of 5 to keep Josh Hart being as effective as he's been. If Hart is running a lot with Mitch or Precious that really hurts our spacing.

I know we can’t really trust Mitch’s health, but as far as roster balance goes this sure does help.

Josh’s bench production will help stabilize that 2nd unit and you can play him as a point forward which
will allow Deuce and Cam to be scorers rather than facilitators.

Just gotta hope the medical team has a sound plan to keep him healthy, at the very least we get to see this team with a traditional anchor and make decisions going forward based on the results.


Mitch is going to be on a strict minutes cap for a while is my guess...not sure he goes into the starting lineup right away. Also Mitch probably doesn't finish games. Hart is going to be on the court at end of the game he is too important to the team, and Mitch liability at the FT line.

So Thibs is going to have to figure out end of game defense with KAT at the 5 because that is our most likely finishing lineup. So more switching is necessary whether he likes it or not.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#579 » by Guano » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:58 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging... 

Post#580 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:01 am

mpharris36 wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I love the fact Mitch is back (or will be back very soon)...he will be a great addition as long as he stays healthy. Precious goes back to a spot minutes type guy which is his best role as well. I just don't love the fact that the entire defensive scheme is being relied on a guy that isn't reliable to stay on the court.

He certainly comes back an becomes our best rim protector and offensive rebounder...there is serious value in that. Also KAT still needs to play a good amount of 5 to keep Josh Hart being as effective as he's been. If Hart is running a lot with Mitch or Precious that really hurts our spacing.

I know we can’t really trust Mitch’s health, but as far as roster balance goes this sure does help.

Josh’s bench production will help stabilize that 2nd unit and you can play him as a point forward which
will allow Deuce and Cam to be scorers rather than facilitators.

Just gotta hope the medical team has a sound plan to keep him healthy, at the very least we get to see this team with a traditional anchor and make decisions going forward based on the results.


Mitch is going to be on a strict minutes cap for a while is my guess...not sure he goes into the starting lineup right away. Also Mitch probably doesn't finish games. Hart is going to be on the court at end of the game he is too important to the team, and Mitch liability at the FT line.

So Thibs is going to have to figure out end of game defense with KAT at the 5 because that is our most likely finishing lineup. So more switching is necessary whether he likes it or not.


I actually think we’ll close out games with Mitch once he’s in game shape

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