Lamelo Ball by the numbers

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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#41 » by tamaraw08 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:49 pm

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:I usually look at a star player on a bad team and compare their efficiency to the rest of the team to see if they are better off playing around the central piece.

LaMelo's got a pretty bad TS% at 54.0%, but the team as a whole is at 53.5%. On the whole his usage isn't taking away from his team.

2nd in Usage Rate
339th in True Shooting Percentage

336th in Net Rating
456th in Defensive Rating

1st in 3pt FGA/gm (11.7/gm)
143rd in 3pt FG% (33.6%)

3rd worst AST/TO of all starting PG's (just ahead of Ja Morant and Coby White)


But you saw the other horrible stats like assist to turnover and DRTG too right?
Also how his team is paying him so much money which begs the question, is Charlotte better off using cheaper more efficient players like SPJ, Tyus Jones then using their precious dollars on better SG's?

Congratulations, you've cherry-picked some stats that reflect poorly on LaMelo. LaMelo might have a bad Net Rating but he has a +4.0 on-off-- Net Rating rank just means he's on a bad team. Maybe because he's one of the top offensive players in the league by EPM (11th) and LEBRON (14th). See, I can cherry pick positive stuff too.

I generally don't expect tanking teams to play defense much at all. Put LaMelo in a competitive context and maybe starts playing better D. Maybe he doesn't. But defensive stats inherently collect not only a player's defensive ability but also the ability of his teammates to cover for it. Given he's playing with a bunch of young guys and defensive sieves, he gets none of the cover that players on good defensive teams get.

LaMelo's fine, he's just wasting time on a bad team.

When exactly did Charlotte start tanking?
They hired a new coach then held on to their good assets and just started trading them like a couple of weeks ago.
They started 4-4 if you take away the losses to NBA champ Celtics beating the likes of Rockets, Pacers, Pistons.
And you make it sound like the are they are the ultimate worst on defense when they are currently ranked 17th in DRTG (better than Spurs, Pacers, Knicks) which is actually better than their previous 4 seasons AND BTW, Lamelo has been CONSISTENLY BAD ON DRTG even with his athletic body at 6-7.
Trey Young can get a pass for being too short but the freaking 6-7 athleetic Lamelo?
And it's not just defensive stats.
He is chucking almost 12 3's at HIS CAREER LOW 3PT%
AND 2nd lowest assists/game. :banghead:
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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#42 » by tamaraw08 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:03 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:2nd in Usage Rate
339th in True Shooting Percentage

336th in Net Rating
456th in Defensive Rating

1st in 3pt FGA/gm (11.7/gm)
143rd in 3pt FG% (33.6%)

3rd worst AST/TO of all starting PG's (just ahead of Ja Morant and Coby White)


But you saw the other horrible stats like assist to turnover and DRTG too right?
Also how his team is paying him so much money which begs the question, is Charlotte better off using cheaper more efficient players like SPJ, Tyus Jones then using their precious dollars on better SG's?

Congratulations, you've cherry-picked some stats that reflect poorly on LaMelo. LaMelo might have a bad Net Rating but he has a +4.0 on-off-- Net Rating rank just means he's on a bad team. Maybe because he's one of the top offensive players in the league by EPM (11th) and LEBRON (14th). See, I can cherry pick positive stuff too.

I generally don't expect tanking teams to play defense much at all. Put LaMelo in a competitive context and maybe starts playing better D. Maybe he doesn't. But defensive stats inherently collect not only a player's defensive ability but also the ability of his teammates to cover for it. Given he's playing with a bunch of young guys and defensive sieves, he gets none of the cover that players on good defensive teams get.

[b]LaMelo's fine[/b], he's just wasting time on a bad team.

When exactly did Charlotte start tanking?
They hired a new coach then held on to their good assets and just started trading them like a couple of weeks ago.
They started 4-4 if you take away the losses to NBA champ Celtics beating the likes of Rockets, Pacers, Pistons.
And you make it sound like the are they are the ultimate worst on defense when they are currently ranked 17th in DRTG (better than Spurs, Pacers, Knicks) which is actually better than their previous 4 seasons AND BTW, Lamelo has been CONSISTENLY BAD ON DRTG even with his athletic body at 6-7.
Trey Young can get a pass for being too short but the freaking 6-7 athleetic Lamelo?
And it's not just defensive stats.
He is chucking almost 12 3's at HIS CAREER LOW 3PT%
AND 2nd lowest assists/game. :banghead:

Lamelo is FINE? maybe if you compare him to an ave player but he is getting 35 mil/year.
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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#43 » by tsherkin » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:24 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:The criticism of LaMelo's scoring is so dumb. He's legit been a top 5 scorer this season even when taking into his account his low true shooting


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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#44 » by floppymoose » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:44 pm

Ant/Wiseman/Lamello were consensus top 3. Ant was gone when GS drafted. I'm glad they picked Wiseman. Wiseman was so awful you could just let him walk. Lamello would have been signed and would still be stinking up the team and getting knocked out by Draymond.
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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#45 » by yosemiteben » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:40 am

tamaraw08 wrote:When exactly did Charlotte start tanking?

About the time that they lost Tre Mann, Grant Williams, and Brandon Miller for the season while they simultaneously had LaMelo Ball and Mark Williams on injury protocols where they routinely miss games to try to keep them healthy.
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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#46 » by Big J » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:43 am

floppymoose wrote:Ant/Wiseman/Lamello were consensus top 3. Ant was gone when GS drafted. I'm glad they picked Wiseman. Wiseman was so awful you could just let him walk. Lamello would have been signed and would still be stinking up the team and getting knocked out by Draymond.


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Post#47 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:09 am

hauntedcomputer wrote:Five years of everybody blaming the guys around him instead of this guy. It's not like he's making anybody better.

He actually does make the team much better.

Go look at how many games they’ve won without him. I’ll give you a hint, you can count them on one finger.
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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#48 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:14 am

yosemiteben wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:When exactly did Charlotte start tanking?

About the time that they lost Tre Mann, Grant Williams, and Brandon Miller for the season while they simultaneously had LaMelo Ball and Mark Williams on injury protocols where they routinely miss games to try to keep them healthy.

The vast majority of this board doesn’t even know they play for the Hornets or their injury status.

In fact a lot of people in this thread may not even know those players even exist (as evidenced by the Mark Williams threads).

And even if they do know them, I’d bet all I have that no one in this thread has actually watched more than two full Hornets games.
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Post#49 » by MrBigShot » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:15 am

He's extremely talented but he doesn't have discipline, and has poor shot selection at times.
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Post#50 » by baldur » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:22 am

I bet hornets over 29 thinking charlotte has some good youngsters and make a leap. lol.
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Post#51 » by floppymoose » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:43 am

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Re: Lamelo Ball by the numbers 

Post#52 » by flranger » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:57 am

LaMelo on that D'Angelo Russell track. #2 pick. Peak early with one all-star. Teams get fed up and ship him around and around.
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What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#53 » by GiggitySmalls » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:04 am

As a Hornets fan I cant help but feel despite his talent, that hes and often injured, immature, career loser. Just empty calories in stats. Yeah hes fun but hes not effective. What team would he look better on and who would take him and what's his trade value?

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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#54 » by Lakers In 5 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:07 am

While he is everything you describe him to be, I also feel he is a product of his environment. How many people within the Hornets organization correct him? I have no evidence, but to me that number seems rather low. He wouldn’t get away with some of the stuff he is trying on the court on a serious team.
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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#55 » by GiggitySmalls » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:10 am

Never listened to his dad when he preached weight room. Who is gonna get through to him. Yeah it's the hornets, but his headspace is just off.

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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#56 » by uncleduck13 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:31 am

Steve Francis of this generation. Street ball player. All flash, no substance. Very unserious. Will probably never lead a 50 win team in his career.
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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#57 » by MrGoat » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:36 am

He's the younger Ball that needs to be teamed up with his older brother and Gradey Dick, then add Kevin Love and Leaky Black
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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#58 » by shrink » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:40 am

I do wonder what type of player he would have become if he had been drafted by the Warriors.
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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#59 » by UcanUwill » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:58 am

He is best example I can think of, of why stats doesn't always mean anything. Rubio was 12 ppg. scorer, had more positive impact on his team than Lamelo scoring 30 a game, fight me. Hornets need to find a fool buyer fast, you will never win with that guy on a team.
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Re: What is LaMelo Ball? 

Post#60 » by uncleduck13 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:14 am

UcanUwill wrote:He is best example I can think of, of why stats doesn't always mean anything. Rubio was 12 ppg. scorer, had more positive impact on his team than Lamelo scoring 30 a game, fight me. Hornets need to find a fool buyer fast, you will never win with that guy on a team.


Steve Nash never cracked 20 and was an immensely better basketball player.

Numbers lie quite often.

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