PG: Sun sets on the tank tonight

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Not the same level of passer? I think he is. It probably helps that Draymond has had Steph, Klay and Durant to finish plays when he passes.

Barnes also runs point more whereas Draymond makes smart reads out of the high post or short rolls a lot more.

Barnes get some "fabricated" assists that every PG in the league gets simply because they handle the ball more.

Draymond is a borderline elite guy in terms of vision. Barnes is a willing passer and is pretty good at it, but he doesn't have elite vision IMO. He will make the open pass but I rarely get the sense that he is manipulating the game in the same way.

Those are good points but I still classify scotty's vision as elite. It'll be interesting to see how adding Ingram and a pick will showcase more of his passing.

I havent seen what I'd call elite vision from Scottie either. He is pretty decent but his passes mostly seem pretty straightforward.

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Barnes also runs point more whereas Draymond makes smart reads out of the high post or short rolls a lot more.

Barnes get some "fabricated" assists that every PG in the league gets simply because they handle the ball more.

Draymond is a borderline elite guy in terms of vision. Barnes is a willing passer and is pretty good at it, but he doesn't have elite vision IMO. He will make the open pass but I rarely get the sense that he is manipulating the game in the same way.

Those are good points but I still classify scotty's vision as elite. It'll be interesting to see how adding Ingram and a pick will showcase more of his passing.

I havent seen what I'd call elite vision from Scottie either. He is pretty decent but his passes mostly seem pretty straightforward.

Its hard to equate Draymond to Scottie 1:1 becaus they get the ball at different times. Draymond is elite at his role.

An elite player in Scotties role is Lebron or Luka. Guys who are a legit threat to put up 10APG in a season. I don't see that from Scottie because IMO his on-ball game is pretty mediocre, and the best version of him is literally in the Draymond role as a secondary creator and not the main one.

Part of that is his lack of scoring prowess, but the other part is he simply just doesn't have elite vision.

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We have 18 wins and it’s nearly March. Most people on here thought this team was a middling team who would win 30-35 games.

You never want to see injuries but it allowed us to really bottom out. We are the 5th worst team in the league. We should finish in that 5-7 range which is fantastic.

that's my point. the season wasn't "deliberately meant" to be bad like TheGeneral99 says. We backed into it by accident.
Philly and Brooklyn can probably "beat" is in the standings. I don't think we're bad enough to catch the likes of Charlotte or Utah. We could end up the 8th pick

Being this bad was accidental but it was like that for a lot of teams around us. Philly was planning on contending.Pelicans as well were slowed by their injuries. Bulls went into season competing and only just pivoted to tank. Hornets had a quite a few injuries as well.

There are also teams with injuries that went back up. Bucks, Pacers, Magic, etc.
And I just posted on another thread, half of our opponents are also missing a starter. I don't have the exact number against teams not in full starter, but I am unsure being this bad was accidental. We cannot win against short handed teams as well.

Our major wins were the 5 games winning streak with Boucher. Even this game was Boucher (and Quickley and perhaps Barrett) hitting all these 3s at game end.