2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[thamadkant]

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Ishbia doesn’t understand this concept. He’s someone that assumes big names is all you need.

Cousins calling it out.

Because it is clear as day for anyone without bias.

The suns core is abysmal and the team around them are ineffective because the Suns leaders are actually non leaders and horrible at getting their team mates to rally for the team.

I bet players like O'Neal, Allen, Jones etc would thrive under a proper leader.


Some suns fans would throw the entire team to support Booker and those are the ones I absolutely detest in this era. In love with celebrities for illogical reasons.

[thamadkant]

I see some here mentioning Camara and how he is compared to Pippen.

Just want to state it... they compare his defense to Pippen because he is a utility knife type of defender but he doesn't have the physical traits Pippen had... Pippen was/is 6'7 in socks and with 7'4 wingspan... Kawhi Leonard is the closest to him on regards to defense and physical traits as Kawhi is 6'6 in socks and has 7'3 wingspan. Camara is a good defender but just not on the same tier as Pippen and Kawhi.


Offensively, Camara is closer to Dunn than Pippen. He is developing his 3pter but he has low level play making and facilitating skills and his offensive skills are best thay of a 3D wing today.

Not sure why they use Pippen but he's pretty much a modern 3D defender with elite energy.

[BobbieL]

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Ishbia doesn’t understand this concept. He’s someone that assumes big names is all you need.

Cousins calling it out.

Because it is clear as day for anyone without bias.

The suns core is abysmal and the team around them are ineffective because the Suns leaders are actually non leaders and horrible at getting their team mates to rally for the team.

I bet players like O'Neal, Allen, Jones etc would thrive under a proper leader.


Some suns fans would throw the entire team to support Booker and those are the ones I absolutely detest in this era. In love with celebrities for illogical reasons.

I just don't get the argument that the Suns shouldn't trade Booker if he wants to be a Suns lifer. Hello! The goal is to win an NBA title and trading Booker, I and many others seem to agree, is the best way to achieve that goal. Nobody is saying it is going to be overnight or even in 5 years. But the concern is if they do nothing - it will be 10 plus years of pure non-interesting basketball. Nobody will give a damn

[mkot]

I really don't understand the idea of trading KD to "soft re-tool" around Book. I understand it when they tried to get pieces to build around him when he is still 25 with the Point Book experiment, but at this point I think we all know who Book is...a great offensive weapon, but not an engine you can build around. He is not a high post facilitating bigs/wings like Jokić and LeBron, or off-ball machines like Steph, or on-ball magicians like Luka or CP3, or two-way monsters like Kawhi, Giannis, Tatum/Brown. Look at all the previous teams that went to the Finals, they all have one of those.

[KdoubleDees23]

I see some here mentioning Camara and how he is compared to Pippen.

Just want to state it... they compare his defense to Pippen because he is a utility knife type of defender but he doesn't have the physical traits Pippen had... Pippen was/is 6'7 in socks and with 7'4 wingspan... Kawhi Leonard is the closest to him on regards to defense and physical traits as Kawhi is 6'6 in socks and has 7'3 wingspan. Camara is a good defender but just not on the same tier as Pippen and Kawhi.


Offensively, Camara is closer to Dunn than Pippen. He is developing his 3pter but he has low level play making and facilitating skills and his offensive skills are best thay of a 3D wing today.

Not sure why they use Pippen but he's pretty much a modern 3D defender with elite energy.

The one thing you guys dont get is that Camara is in a good situation where he got reps, minutes, etc. He also has Chauncey helping coach him and develop! May not be a great HC but he is a players coach.

Camara wouldn't be where he is today because we were stacked and he would have barely got minutes to develop and play! He is thankful he isn't on this train wreck

[Slim Charless]

Watching the Magic game....they could use Booker

[garrick]

Wow a close game that was decided by Beal stupidly going for a steal on Ja instead of fouling him that let Ja blow past Beal and shoot an open 3 to put the game into OT.

Fundamentally this roster is just not very good with some low IQ players that aren't the type of players you want on a contending team. Unfortunately we are stuck with Beal but the rest of the roster should be fair game over the summer to trade and rebuild.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Watching the Magic game....they could use Booker

If we couldn't get Banchero or Wagner because they'd both be untouchable to the Magic, would you still do a Booler trade there? And if so, what package would you demand back? I think obviously any non Banchero/ Franz package would have to start with Suggs and Silva. But then what else of value do they have to get remotely close?

I might have a very hard time talking myself into a package of Suggs/ De Silva/ Bidatze ??? Even though I really covet Suggs! Maybe for a KD package perhaps?

[Slim Charless]

Watching the Magic game....they could use Booker

If we couldn't get Banchero or Wagner because they'd both be untouchable to the Magic, would you still do a Booler trade there? And if so, what package would you demand back? I think obviously any non Banchero/ Franz package would have to start with Suggs and Silva. But then what else of value do they have to get remotely close?

I might have a very hard time talking myself into a package of Suggs/ De Silva/ Bidatze ??? Even though I really covet Suggs! Maybe for a KD package perhaps?

I'm of the opinion that we can get 1 of them. Could be wrong but we'll see. If they perform badly in the playoffs like they did tonight, they'll be more inclined i think.

[Revived]

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[Fo-Real]

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Gonna make people here screech!

[BobbieL]

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For anyone that cares, peep the framed photo in the background in Gambo’s office.

Least surprising thing ever actually. I would have been surprised if not. He totally fits the demographic. This fake machismo bravado stuff. Hell Gambo even looks like Bongino.


As for the Suns - trade Booker and Durant
Thank you

[Fo-Real]

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For anyone that cares, peep the framed photo in the background in Gambo’s office.

Least surprising thing ever actually. I would have been surprised if not. He totally fits the demographic. This fake machismo bravado stuff. Hell Gambo even looks like Bongino.


As for the Suns - trade Booker and Durant
Thank you

[bwgood77]

Hello.
Long time reading, almost life-long Suns fan...

The idea that is in my mind is that if we had played this five for most of the season (when healthy), we would not be in this situation.
Bol scored 23+8 in 32 minutes playing alongside KD for most of the time, exactly what we have been missing next to him for most of the year, as KD is 36 and should not be guarding opposing PFs.

Well, it is what it is but the Grizzlies are a very solid team at home and play with 11/12 players. They run, they play with intensity and their offense is very well organized based on the ideas of their Finnish assistant coach whom they hired last summer.

We could still get in the PO. There is 24 games and we need to do +4 on the Clippers.

Yeah Bol was awesome. He is so smooth. His shooting really reminds me of KD. Seems to just hit net a lot. I can't understand why he wouldn't play. People say low iq, but it doesn't look like it. He handles, can shoot from anywhere, deflects shots, etc.

I hope to God we are able to keep him. We desperately need to. As a matter of fact, if we could keep 1 player for next year and just load up on other picks and young players, I'd pick him. Over Dunn, over anyone (though of course I'm taking into account what we could likely net in trade from dealing others).

[Saberestar]

Hello.
Long time reading, almost life-long Suns fan...

The idea that is in my mind is that if we had played this five for most of the season (when healthy), we would not be in this situation.
Bol scored 23+8 in 32 minutes playing alongside KD for most of the time, exactly what we have been missing next to him for most of the year, as KD is 36 and should not be guarding opposing PFs.

Well, it is what it is but the Grizzlies are a very solid team at home and play with 11/12 players. They run, they play with intensity and their offense is very well organized based on the ideas of their Finnish assistant coach whom they hired last summer.

We could still get in the PO. There is 24 games and we need to do +4 on the Clippers.

Yeah Bol was awesome. He is so smooth. His shooting really reminds me of KD. Seems to just hit net a lot. I can't understand why he wouldn't play. People say low iq, but it doesn't look like it. He handles, can shoot from anywhere, deflects shots, etc.

I hope to God we are able to keep him. We desperately need to. As a matter of fact, if we could keep 1 player for next year and just load up on other picks and young players, I'd pick him. Over Dunn, over anyone (though of course I'm taking into account what we could likely net in trade from dealing others).

It's for his low IQ for sure.

He made two big mistakes yesterday when the game on the line. One was retaining the ball or not moving it fast enough and getting fouled (then he missed 1 FT) when the Grizzlies wanted to make foul and the other one was missing his man on defense for a wide open 3 (Aldama) when we were up by 4 in OT.

Hopefully he improves in all those details because I like his game and he is really smooth on the court.

[bwgood77]

Hello.
Long time reading, almost life-long Suns fan...

The idea that is in my mind is that if we had played this five for most of the season (when healthy), we would not be in this situation.
Bol scored 23+8 in 32 minutes playing alongside KD for most of the time, exactly what we have been missing next to him for most of the year, as KD is 36 and should not be guarding opposing PFs.

Well, it is what it is but the Grizzlies are a very solid team at home and play with 11/12 players. They run, they play with intensity and their offense is very well organized based on the ideas of their Finnish assistant coach whom they hired last summer.

We could still get in the PO. There is 24 games and we need to do +4 on the Clippers.

Yeah Bol was awesome. He is so smooth. His shooting really reminds me of KD. Seems to just hit net a lot. I can't understand why he wouldn't play. People say low iq, but it doesn't look like it. He handles, can shoot from anywhere, deflects shots, etc.

I hope to God we are able to keep him. We desperately need to. As a matter of fact, if we could keep 1 player for next year and just load up on other picks and young players, I'd pick him. Over Dunn, over anyone (though of course I'm taking into account what we could likely net in trade from dealing others).

It's for his low IQ for sure.

He made two big mistakes yesterday when the game on the line. One was retaining the ball or not moving it fast enough and getting fouled (then he missed 1 FT) when the Grizzlies wanted to make foul and the other one was missing his man on defense for a wide open 3 (Aldama) when we were up by 4 in OT.

Hopefully he improves in all those details because I like his game and he is really smooth on the court.

Yeah, but like other players, I think his strengths outweigh his negatives. A lot of people made dumb plays yesterday. It seems like KD made a ton of horrible passes.

When you can shoot like Bol and have the length to really deter shooters, you are valuable. And what helps IQ? Playing more.

[Saberestar]

Yeah Bol was awesome. He is so smooth. His shooting really reminds me of KD. Seems to just hit net a lot. I can't understand why he wouldn't play. People say low iq, but it doesn't look like it. He handles, can shoot from anywhere, deflects shots, etc.

I hope to God we are able to keep him. We desperately need to. As a matter of fact, if we could keep 1 player for next year and just load up on other picks and young players, I'd pick him. Over Dunn, over anyone (though of course I'm taking into account what we could likely net in trade from dealing others).

It's for his low IQ for sure.

He made two big mistakes yesterday when the game on the line. One was retaining the ball or not moving it fast enough and getting fouled (then he missed 1 FT) when the Grizzlies wanted to make foul and the other one was missing his man on defense for a wide open 3 (Aldama) when we were up by 4 in OT.

Hopefully he improves in all those details because I like his game and he is really smooth on the court.

Yeah, but like other players, I think his strengths outweigh his negatives. A lot of people made dumb plays yesterday. It seems like KD made a ton of horrible passes.

When you can shoot like Bol and have the length to really deter shooters, you are valuable. And what helps IQ? Playing more.

It's not the same. KD usually makes mistakes with a ton of pressure on him or double teamed.

Bol Bol's low IQ is what has made that he hasn't been anything more than a minimum guy for years and years in the league, he is 25. I am not discovering anything new here.

I am the first one that want him to be great and play a big role on the team but he makes unforced mistakes all the time, even when he plays well.

[Frank Lee]

Watching the Magic game....they could use Booker

If we couldn't get Banchero or Wagner because they'd both be untouchable to the Magic, would you still do a Booler trade there? And if so, what package would you demand back? I think obviously any non Banchero/ Franz package would have to start with Suggs and Silva. But then what else of value do they have to get remotely close?

I might have a very hard time talking myself into a package of Suggs/ De Silva/ Bidatze ??? Even though I really covet Suggs! Maybe for a KD package perhaps?

I'm of the opinion that we can get 1 of them. Could be wrong but we'll see. If they perform badly in the playoffs like they did tonight, they'll be more inclined i think.

Have yall done the math?

you two on your trade machines is like watching a dungeons and dragons match

[thamadkant]

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For anyone that cares, peep the framed photo in the background in Gambo’s office.

Least surprising thing ever actually. I would have been surprised if not. He totally fits the demographic. This fake machismo bravado stuff. Hell Gambo even looks like Bongino.


As for the Suns - trade Booker and Durant
Thank you

If he had Biden or Kamala photo, would the media even make a deal out it?

No, unlikely.

Good on Gambo. And to those who would also put their preferred political side on their sleeve, good on you too. There are consequences, for every action, but mainstream media seems to only pick on one side and that's my issue. Main stream media and their corrupt ownership (political donors) are hypocrites and the people are waking up to it and proven by the declining ratings and increase views on alternative media that presents evidence with their accusations.

[Slim Charless]

Spoiler:

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For anyone that cares, peep the framed photo in the background in Gambo’s office.

Least surprising thing ever actually. I would have been surprised if not. He totally fits the demographic. This fake machismo bravado stuff. Hell Gambo even looks like Bongino.


As for the Suns - trade Booker and Durant
Thank you

If he had Biden or Kamala photo, would the media even make a deal out it?

No, unlikely.

Good on Gambo. And to those who would also put their preferred political side on their sleeve, good on you too. There are consequences, for every action, but mainstream media seems to only pick on one side and that's my issue. Main stream media and their corrupt ownership (political donors) are hypocrites and the people are waking up to it and proven by the declining ratings and increase views on alternative media that presents evidence with their accusations.

"Alternative media"


Lol....so some moron on his couch or in his mom's basement. Making youtube videos. Talking about how awesome Elon is and how he and other billionaires care about the little guy hahaha.

Give me a f ucking break.