ImageImageImageImageImage

Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot

Moderators: dakomish23, mpharris36, j4remi, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, HerSports85, Deeeez Knicks

User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 82,379
And1: 96,339
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: Villanovknicks

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#301 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:48 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I can't really defend Mikal anymore but I still believe that Thibs isn't maximizing his skill set properly and it's adding to the issues. But he just has not been worth the cost at this point, and that kills me to say it because I love Mikal. But I expected much more.


Hiding behind "it's the coach" is weak.

Mikal is just corny and weak. Worst Knick trade in ages. Knicks went all in for a guy who behaves like a 5th option. Tragic.


Buzz, Tom has not used Bridges to his strengths. He should be the focal point with the 2nd unit moving, catching and pulling up for mid range shots, on top of being used for off ball actions that result in cut and catch looks.

I'm not bailing him out here. His defense has been trash, he isn't spacing the floor, and he should be held accountable. He has disappointed this team and fanbase.

It's just that I don't see much of a role for him offensively outside of just standing around watching JB and KAT.

Frankly Tom's offense sucks and it's the overall talent of the team that has elevated the Knick to being one of the best offensive clubs in the league despite his dinosaur methodology. It's not like this offense is complex half the time everyone is just standing around.

Just my 2 cents. I'm frustrated right now because this team has too much talent for us to be having this conversation.


I know you are somewhat new here, historically speaking, but the phrase "coach isn't playing player X to his strengths" is the go to phrase for Knick draft/young hopeful busts that are legion:

Ntilikina
Knox
Alonzo Trier
Cam Reddish


Mikal entering "Coach isn't using him right" is the Knicks RealGM Forum of "Jumped the shark"


It's over for Mikal. He's a bust here. Knicks need to trade him as soon as they can.
Image
User avatar
Jalen Bluntson
RealGM
Posts: 25,506
And1: 27,208
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#302 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:54 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Hiding behind "it's the coach" is weak.

Mikal is just corny and weak. Worst Knick trade in ages. Knicks went all in for a guy who behaves like a 5th option. Tragic.


Buzz, Tom has not used Bridges to his strengths. He should be the focal point with the 2nd unit moving, catching and pulling up for mid range shots, on top of being used for off ball actions that result in cut and catch looks.

I'm not bailing him out here. His defense has been trash, he isn't spacing the floor, and he should be held accountable. He has disappointed this team and fanbase.

It's just that I don't see much of a role for him offensively outside of just standing around watching JB and KAT.

Frankly Tom's offense sucks and it's the overall talent of the team that has elevated the Knick to being one of the best offensive clubs in the league despite his dinosaur methodology. It's not like this offense is complex half the time everyone is just standing around.

Just my 2 cents. I'm frustrated right now because this team has too much talent for us to be having this conversation.


I know you are somewhat new here, historically speaking, but the phrase "coach isn't playing player X to his strengths" is the go to phrase for Knick draft/young hopeful busts that are legion:

Ntilikina
Knox
Alonzo Trier
Cam Reddish


Mikal entering "Coach isn't using him right" is the Knicks RealGM Forum of "Jumped the shark"


It's over for Mikal. He's a bust here. Knicks need to trade him as soon as they can.


Fonzi was cool once.,.,,,
:beer: RIP mags
User avatar
WaltFrazier
RealGM
Posts: 34,269
And1: 31,737
Joined: Jan 21, 2006
Location: Ontario Canada
       

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#303 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:43 pm

JayTWill wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
Butler makes $48M+. Who would you have sent out to match salaries?


ok i don't know then.....either way, the trade was brutal for knicks


Yeah, they definitely overpaid for the role Mikal plays on the Knicks but I don't think people account for Bogey being a negative contract at the time of the trade. The Nets just bought him out and he won't play a single game this season. No one was going to take him from the Knicks for free.

The majority of the value sent out was for Mikal but some of that value was to take on the $23M+ we sent out that was not useful to the Nets.

That goes back to the mistake of getting Bogey and Burks at the 2024 deadline, rather than a younger two way forward who could have replaced the injured Randle the rest of season and maybe be the backup 3-4 now
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
User avatar
Guano
RealGM
Posts: 39,897
And1: 67,439
Joined: Dec 16, 2010
Location: any port

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#304 » by Guano » Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:03 pm

lol.
I hate him
Read on Twitter
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
User avatar
MrDollarBills
RealGM
Posts: 77,664
And1: 54,569
Joined: Feb 15, 2008
       

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#305 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:47 pm

Guano wrote:lol.
I hate him
Read on Twitter


Yeah, no. I love the guy but this isn't working.

I've been thinking about it and I think trading Mikal for a better fitting piece makes the most sense.

The defense should not be this bad. Tom's scheme sucks but Bridges has to be held accountable for his inconsistent effort defensively.

I would probably think making a phone call this summer to Phoenix might be in play.
Please consider donating blood: https://www.nybc.org/

2025-2026 Indiana Pacers

C: J. Valanciunas /T. Bryant
PF: K. Kuzma /J. Robinson-Earl
SF: T. Evbuomwan /J. Howard
SG: T. Hardaway Jr. /V. Williams Jr.
PG: C. Payne /G.Vincent
HopelessKnick
Analyst
Posts: 3,293
And1: 3,002
Joined: Aug 03, 2021

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#306 » by HopelessKnick » Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:06 pm

Guano wrote:lol.
I hate him
Read on Twitter


At this point I hope there is a plan B. The way he has played this season I wouldn't offer him more than 4years 25-30mill. Anything above 120mill. is a clear overpay IMO. The problem is that Leon boxed himself into a corner with the 5 picks. Not only a big overpay, but also now he HAS to extend Bridges. Bad position to be in.
NY2k1
Veteran
Posts: 2,637
And1: 1,094
Joined: Dec 21, 2011

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#307 » by NY2k1 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:37 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:
Guano wrote:lol.
I hate him
Read on Twitter


At this point I hope there is a plan B. The way he has played this season I wouldn't offer him more than 4years 25-30mill. Anything above 120mill. is a clear overpay IMO. The problem is that Leon boxed himself into a corner with the 5 picks. Not only a big overpay, but also now he HAS to extend Bridges. Bad position to be in.


Said this in another thread, but if Bridges proves not to be worthy of being extended at a big contract, I would MUCH rather Leon Rose not double down on him and either let him walk or trade him.
User avatar
Guano
RealGM
Posts: 39,897
And1: 67,439
Joined: Dec 16, 2010
Location: any port

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#308 » by Guano » Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:41 pm

Image
Image
Image
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
User avatar
Woodsanity
RealGM
Posts: 15,310
And1: 12,371
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
 

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#309 » by Woodsanity » Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:58 pm

Still find it unbelievable how much we paid for someone who was a super role player at best and now he is not even super but more like mediocre....
All NBA Chokers List

PG: Harden
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul George
PF: Karl Malone
C: Embiid (Harden of Centers)
User avatar
NoDopeOnSundays
RealGM
Posts: 27,406
And1: 57,044
Joined: Nov 22, 2005
         

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#310 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:01 pm

Guano wrote:Image
Image
Image





He'll need to rework his shot in the offseason, he has to get back to his form that allowed him to come off screens as a ball handler and take jumpers. If you look at his best Net games he was basically playing like Khris Middleton, using a screen with a live dribble and shooting off it, we don't see any of that now.


The volume drop off on above the break threes is jaw dropping, never seen anything like that.
HopelessKnick
Analyst
Posts: 3,293
And1: 3,002
Joined: Aug 03, 2021

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#311 » by HopelessKnick » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:35 pm

And that's to me the concerning part about all of this: Looking at how he used to shoot and what it looks now I can't help but believe it is mental....it's difficult to believe that this can be purely physical. Like I can't believe Mikal himself or any shooting coach would think that having a set point one foot behind and above his head is truly a good idea. So it begs the question: What purpose does this serve? If you look at his early days with the Suns, his shot looked super fluid, smooth and technically sound.

It kinda reminds you of those players that developed hitches etc. in their shot (Fultz, Hyes etc.). I just hope this is something temporary and he can figure it out---whatever it is---mental or physical.
BowlRips
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,692
And1: 2,937
Joined: Jul 16, 2009
     

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#312 » by BowlRips » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:38 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Hiding behind "it's the coach" is weak.

Mikal is just corny and weak. Worst Knick trade in ages. Knicks went all in for a guy who behaves like a 5th option. Tragic.


Buzz, Tom has not used Bridges to his strengths. He should be the focal point with the 2nd unit moving, catching and pulling up for mid range shots, on top of being used for off ball actions that result in cut and catch looks.

I'm not bailing him out here. His defense has been trash, he isn't spacing the floor, and he should be held accountable. He has disappointed this team and fanbase.

It's just that I don't see much of a role for him offensively outside of just standing around watching JB and KAT.

Frankly Tom's offense sucks and it's the overall talent of the team that has elevated the Knick to being one of the best offensive clubs in the league despite his dinosaur methodology. It's not like this offense is complex half the time everyone is just standing around.

Just my 2 cents. I'm frustrated right now because this team has too much talent for us to be having this conversation.


I know you are somewhat new here, historically speaking, but the phrase "coach isn't playing player X to his strengths" is the go to phrase for Knick draft/young hopeful busts that are legion:

Ntilikina
Knox
Alonzo Trier
Cam Reddish


Mikal entering "Coach isn't using him right" is the Knicks RealGM Forum of "Jumped the shark"


It's over for Mikal. He's a bust here. Knicks need to trade him as soon as they can.


uh how can you even make that comparison????
mikal was an all-nba 2nd team defensive player and the starting wing on an NBA finals team, with a super efficient offensive game throughout his career.
The rest have made minimal impact in the league.

writing off Mikal is idiotic. His track record proves otherwise.
Thibs is definitely not playing to his strengths - but he still needs to rise above it.
If he can, come playoff time, that will validate his worth.
HopelessKnick
Analyst
Posts: 3,293
And1: 3,002
Joined: Aug 03, 2021

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#313 » by HopelessKnick » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:39 pm

If you look at his mechanics in 2019----it just looks so much better!

8516knicks
General Manager
Posts: 8,642
And1: 6,522
Joined: May 18, 2017
   

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#314 » by 8516knicks » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:50 pm

Woodsanity wrote:Still find it unbelievable how much we paid for someone who was a super role player at best and now he is not even super but more like mediocre....

Yes, more Kevin Knoxes would make us a cinch to win the championship! :crazy: :nod: :noway: :nonono: :nonono:
User avatar
NoDopeOnSundays
RealGM
Posts: 27,406
And1: 57,044
Joined: Nov 22, 2005
         

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#315 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:16 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:If you look at his mechanics in 2019----it just looks so much better!





This is the version of him we needed -

;t=7s


Look at how many of the shots come off a dribble. I went to check the numbers, and he's horrific from three this year off the dribble compared to his 2 Nets seasons.



He's shooting 20% on pull up threes with us, with the Nets he shot 36% and 34% on the same shots. He's taking less pull up 2 pointers with us too. He was a PnR ball handler on 27.3% and 23.7% of his plays with the Nets, with us he's down to 9% as well.
User avatar
Woodsanity
RealGM
Posts: 15,310
And1: 12,371
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
 

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#316 » by Woodsanity » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:05 pm

8516knicks wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:Still find it unbelievable how much we paid for someone who was a super role player at best and now he is not even super but more like mediocre....

Yes, more Kevin Knoxes would make us a cinch to win the championship! :crazy: :nod: :noway: :nonono: :nonono:

So you think 5 first round picks and 1 2nd round pick is worth a mediocre role player?

Peak delusion.

Thats a big enough package to get a star or even a superstar.
All NBA Chokers List

PG: Harden
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul George
PF: Karl Malone
C: Embiid (Harden of Centers)
HopelessKnick
Analyst
Posts: 3,293
And1: 3,002
Joined: Aug 03, 2021

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#317 » by HopelessKnick » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:21 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:If you look at his mechanics in 2019----it just looks so much better!





This is the version of him we needed -

;t=7s


Look at how many of the shots come off a dribble. I went to check the numbers, and he's horrific from three this year off the dribble compared to his 2 Nets seasons.



He's shooting 20% on pull up threes with us, with the Nets he shot 36% and 34% on the same shots. He's taking less pull up 2 pointers with us too. He was a PnR ball handler on 27.3% and 23.7% of his plays with the Nets, with us he's down to 9% as well.


That's exactly why I'm fearing this is more mental than physical. What physical thing can really explain this?
The Vo Show
Rookie
Posts: 1,135
And1: 977
Joined: Nov 25, 2020
 

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#318 » by The Vo Show » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:37 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:If you look at his mechanics in 2019----it just looks so much better!



Seeing this makes me understand exactly why he changed his shooting form and why its so inconsistent now. He looks like he brings the ball up very far away from his body due to his long arms. And he used to lean forward on a lot of shots. To 'fix' that, he now brings it up tighter and higher and he added a slight fade. Thats a pretty big difference in mechanics.
8516knicks
General Manager
Posts: 8,642
And1: 6,522
Joined: May 18, 2017
   

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#319 » by 8516knicks » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:07 pm

Woodsanity wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:Still find it unbelievable how much we paid for someone who was a super role player at best and now he is not even super but more like mediocre....

Yes, more Kevin Knoxes would make us a cinch to win the championship! :crazy: :nod: :noway: :nonono: :nonono:

So you think 5 first round picks and 1 2nd round pick is worth a mediocre role player?

Peak delusion.

Thats a big enough package to get a star or even a superstar.


OK, name ONE. (these are bottom of the first round almost 2nd round pick, you realize?) :crazy:
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 96,152
And1: 137,946
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: Mikal's Broke then Fixed Then Broke Jump Shot 

Post#320 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:54 pm

Gave up 5 picks to get torched by Tatum
Read on Twitter
Image
It’s like when lil bitches make subliminal records, if it ain’t directed directly at me, I don’t respect it

Return to New York Knicks