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89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
MasterGMer wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
btw 2030 for what?
ChampionshipMasterGMer wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
btw 2030 for what?
FFBlitzace wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:Yes, I do have a ton of this in mind when I plant my criticism seeds. In a marginal way I have transcended the usual "my father was upset the Magic lost last night even though they had ZERO chance of winning to begin with."
At the same time, it can be fun to gripe. It can be fun to whine. It can be fun to read Eyrique (spelling alludes me, blame the brain) saying he will be downtown with his high heels on in case we lose. This can also be elements of fandom. How I can disagree about their team building, how we don't properly address our weaknesses. It's pure speculative, narrative fun.
I want everyone to take a step back and re-read my last paragraph. 99.9% of what I am saying should not be taken seriously as I see this and the sport as pure entertainment. I'm not even sure I can call it a competition until playoffs.
If you have em, hug your kids today if not soon. Hug your parents today if not soon. If that can't be done, call em. This forum is a hobby, this sport is an escape from real life (gasp not that phrase again), so enjoy it for that aspect.
Thank Sam, great post! I hope business goes well for you!
You're right, but also, it's not that easy for some people. Throughout my life, I have placed way too much of myself into the results of this team. I'm far better now than I used to be, but I truly don't know if I will ever be able to completely separate my emotions from it. It really is "just a game," but it's really annoyingly difficult to actually feel that way. I would love to, but it's hard.
Optimus_Steel wrote:The Devos family are the #1 problem, all issues filter down from their ownership. They are content hanging out in their 10 yatchs, doing their best to destroy public education while they are invested in private schools, and occasionally coming down to FL to catch a game and hired a greasy haired lackey in Martins and gave him free reign to do whatever with no oversight because he is loyal to them. He still thinks that defense is all that matters because thats was the mantra when he came in the league in the late 80s as PR guy. He hires a passive dude in Weltman who has has a nervous tick sniff and told him to focus on defenders. There is a reason this team has been among the worst offensive teams for over a decade. Sell the team to someone who cares.
Kent wrote:Optimus_Steel wrote:The Devos family are the #1 problem, all issues filter down from their ownership. They are content hanging out in their 10 yatchs, doing their best to destroy public education while they are invested in private schools, and occasionally coming down to FL to catch a game and hired a greasy haired lackey in Martins and gave him free reign to do whatever with no oversight because he is loyal to them. He still thinks that defense is all that matters because thats was the mantra when he came in the league in the late 80s as PR guy. He hires a passive dude in Weltman who has has a nervous tick sniff and told him to focus on defenders. There is a reason this team has been among the worst offensive teams for over a decade. Sell the team to someone who cares.
Ehhhh I don't believe ownership is telling the FO not to make moves to improve the team.
They've been willing to spend money throughout their run, so there's that.
And I get it: making money is important. They run a business, after all.
But they make *more* money if we win championships. And the family has seen what getting to The Finals can do.
So while I don't believe they're perfect or possess the owners' equivalent of Mamba Mentality, I do think the right FO can bring together a champion.
(Edit: added "*more*")
89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
fendilim wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
Btw, where did you get the all the reputables talked abt them not really making calls? I only heard this from Windy.
89Magicfan wrote:MasterGMer wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
btw 2030 for what?
Alex Martin’s said after they started the rebuilding he sees us winning a title by 2030 and will be among the NBA elite.
so its just one? Cause monopoly lol not allpepe1991 wrote:fendilim wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
Btw, where did you get the all the reputables talked abt them not really making calls? I only heard this from Windy.
There is something to be told, to understand why it's important that Windy (ESPN reporter) said it.
Bojan Bogdanović returned to native Croatia 8- ish days ago and talked to friends, as he knew he needs surgery that will be done in Europe. Friends went out and told it to some media members in Croatia, but upon hearing it, Bojan had to call that media outlet in Croatia to ask for not publish info before Shams makes it official.
Once Shams "reported it" it was official. Again, despite fact this "news" wasn't news, it was something that was factual issue at least weeks prior to "Sham bomb".
That's how trades work. "Woj Bomb" and other "bombs" always have to come from ESPN, as they have some sort of NBA - exclusive for news. This shouldn't be surprising, ESPN is owned by Disney, one of largest companies in the world. And TNT & ESPN payed 2,6 billion dollars for tv rights , but also it's obvious that they have full control of inside news.
Meaning, when some ESPN insider says something, it has waaaaaaaaay more legs than when any other member of media outlet has "inside". Because, they literally pay billion dollars for such things.
Basically, ESPN has monopoly over "inside info" in nba. It goes so far that even "news" that 36 years old player at tail end of his career can't tell anybody he is hurt but espn, so they can publish it first. It's borderline crazy really.
pepe1991 wrote:fendilim wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Remember when Martins said 2030? We all thought that was funny?
I believe after his deadline they didn’t WANT to make a move. All the reputables talked about how they don’t even really call anyone about trades?
Wise man once told me you can lie to some people all the time. You can lie to everyone some time. You can’t lie to everyone all the time.
T minus 5 years and counting to 2030.
Btw, where did you get the all the reputables talked abt them not really making calls? I only heard this from Windy.
There is something to be told, to understand why it's important that Windy (ESPN reporter) said it.
Bojan Bogdanović returned to native Croatia 8- ish days ago and talked to friends, as he knew he needs surgery that will be done in Europe. Friends went out and told it to some media members in Croatia, but upon hearing it, Bojan had to call that media outlet in Croatia to ask for not publish info before Shams makes it official.
Once Shams "reported it" it was official. Again, despite fact this "news" wasn't news, it was something that was factual issue at least weeks prior to "Sham bomb".
That's how trades work. "Woj Bomb" and other "bombs" always have to come from ESPN, as they have some sort of NBA - exclusive for news. This shouldn't be surprising, ESPN is owned by Disney, one of largest companies in the world. And TNT & ESPN payed 2,6 billion dollars for tv rights , but also it's obvious that they have full control of inside news.
Meaning, when some ESPN insider says something, it has waaaaaaaaay more legs than when any other member of media outlet has "inside". Because, they literally pay billion dollars for such things.
Basically, ESPN has monopoly over "inside info" in nba. It goes so far that even "news" that 36 years old player at tail end of his career can't tell anybody he is hurt but espn, so they can publish it first. It's borderline crazy really.
jezzerinho wrote:I might.have views on their politics, but I don't have enough info on the DeVos family to know how much of an issue they are.
But any owner who gives a key senior manager as easy a ride as they give our FO has to be suspected.of not trying hard enough.
One thing is to get sold the "No Skipping Steps" job retention scam back 7 or 8 years ago. It's another thing to allow it be perpetuated when the end product clearly demonstrates it needs changing. That's either naivite, negligence or ambivalence. None of those are great in an owner.
89Magicfan wrote:jezzerinho wrote:I might.have views on their politics, but I don't have enough info on the DeVos family to know how much of an issue they are.
But any owner who gives a key senior manager as easy a ride as they give our FO has to be suspected.of not trying hard enough.
One thing is to get sold the "No Skipping Steps" job retention scam back 7 or 8 years ago. It's another thing to allow it be perpetuated when the end product clearly demonstrates it needs changing. That's either naivite, negligence or ambivalence. None of those are great in an owner.
Think it’s worth pointing out that Rich Devos the OG owner would’ve never allowed this to go on long. He wanted to win and he was proactive about it for him and the community.
Kent wrote:89Magicfan wrote:jezzerinho wrote:I might.have views on their politics, but I don't have enough info on the DeVos family to know how much of an issue they are.
But any owner who gives a key senior manager as easy a ride as they give our FO has to be suspected.of not trying hard enough.
One thing is to get sold the "No Skipping Steps" job retention scam back 7 or 8 years ago. It's another thing to allow it be perpetuated when the end product clearly demonstrates it needs changing. That's either naivite, negligence or ambivalence. None of those are great in an owner.
Think it’s worth pointing out that Rich Devos the OG owner would’ve never allowed this to go on long. He wanted to win and he was proactive about it for him and the community.
You might have a point.
RDV genuinely loved the team. You could just tell.
As Jezzerinho said, it's hard to know for sure how ownership truly thinks. But as I've said elsewhere, a great FO/POBO can succeed in spite of ownership.
) drsd wrote:There is the Chinese expression "Better to be a dog in times of tranquility than a human in times of chaos.", which somehow became the curse: May you live in interesting times.
Look; the Magic is indeed "interesting". Something's gotta give or we're all gonna have heart attacks!
JoshuaPotter wrote:drsd wrote:There is the Chinese expression "Better to be a dog in times of tranquility than a human in times of chaos.", which somehow became the curse: May you live in interesting times.
Look; the Magic is indeed "interesting". Something's gotta give or we're all gonna have heart attacks!
My EKG came back abnormal and now I have to have a stress test and an echo.