2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we couldn't get Banchero or Wagner because they'd both be untouchable to the Magic, would you still do a Booler trade there? And if so, what package would you demand back? I think obviously any non Banchero/ Franz package would have to start with Suggs and Silva. But then what else of value do they have to get remotely close?

I might have a very hard time talking myself into a package of Suggs/ De Silva/ Bidatze ??? Even though I really covet Suggs! Maybe for a KD package perhaps?

I'm of the opinion that we can get 1 of them. Could be wrong but we'll see. If they perform badly in the playoffs like they did tonight, they'll be more inclined i think.

Have yall done the math?

you two on your trade machines is like watching a dungeons and dragons match

LOL!
Honestly, though man, what aspects of this premise are you finding improbable or highly unlikely, and why exactly?

[mkot]

Yeah, but like other players, I think his strengths outweigh his negatives. A lot of people made dumb plays yesterday. It seems like KD made a ton of horrible passes.

When you can shoot like Bol and have the length to really deter shooters, you are valuable. And what helps IQ? Playing more.

It's not the same. KD usually makes mistakes with a ton of pressure on him or double teamed.

Bol Bol's low IQ is what has made that he hasn't been anything more than a minimum guy for years and years in the league, he is 25. I am not discovering anything new here.

I am the first one that want him to be great and play a big role on the team but he makes unforced mistakes all the time, even when he plays well.

I'm with you on Bol

His mistakes are loud. And I will not let his stats fool me as teams tend to let him get his because every time he shots the ball he is taking shots away from KD, Book and Beal. He has shown very little improvement on BBIQ and I think that unfortunately is the verdict on him. To me he is one of those players that focuses too much on his own physical attributes and increasing his ceiling but paying little to no attention on his floor game, his fundamentals. He is like a 7 foot D'Angelo Russell, loves working on his no-dip three, side-step pull up jumper and flashy passes, but got turn into a pumpkin in big games because he has nothing to contribute to the team when defense tighten up and his shots aren't falling.

If he could be a Chris Boucher for us, come in and block some shots, play solid defense, make energy plays, shot some three I'd be happy.

[Frank Lee]

Bol had two blocks and at least 2 altered shots vs Griz…..And I’d say he about matches the missed assignments that any one of the 3 Co-Stars put up or anyone else for that matter.

Sadly, he is one of our few prospects… and deserves to start. Could this be the beginnings of the ‘Tri-Towers’ ? May be we should go big rather than small.
Book,Dunn,KD,Bol,Richards

At least stretches of the game will be entertaining… not much else is

[Fo-Real]

Least surprising thing ever actually. I would have been surprised if not. He totally fits the demographic. This fake machismo bravado stuff. Hell Gambo even looks like Bongino.


As for the Suns - trade Booker and Durant
Thank you

If he had Biden or Kamala photo, would the media even make a deal out it?

No, unlikely.

Good on Gambo. And to those who would also put their preferred political side on their sleeve, good on you too. There are consequences, for every action, but mainstream media seems to only pick on one side and that's my issue. Main stream media and their corrupt ownership (political donors) are hypocrites and the people are waking up to it and proven by the declining ratings and increase views on alternative media that presents evidence with their accusations.

"Alternative media"


Lol....so some moron on his couch or in his mom's basement. Making youtube videos. Talking about how awesome Elon is and how he and other billionaires care about the little guy hahaha.

Give me a f ucking break.

He never mentioned Musk, sounds like you have a problem. He is absolutely correct that the media is losing viewers and to think otherwise is to have ones head in the sand, no matter witch way you vote. Just cause it hurts don't make it wrong.

[Fo-Real]

Bol had two blocks and at least 2 altered shots vs Griz…..And I’d say he about matches the missed assignments that any one of the 3 Co-Stars put up or anyone else for that matter.

Sadly, he is one of our few prospects… and deserves to start. Could this be the beginnings of the ‘Tri-Towers’ ? May be we should go big rather than small.
Book,Dunn,KD,Bol,Richards

At least stretches of the game will be entertaining… not much else is

Agree Bol has talent. It is actually amazing how many times I see no one rotating to a wide open 3 point shot and rewind to see it is Kevin Durant's assignment!! Other teams are absolutely attacking KD in the defensive rotation. Even rookies from other teams are catching and attacking KD one on one.

[RaisingArizona]

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[BobbieL]

Windhorst today. This is not surprising but in fact, it is not the most important move or decision the front office his. To me its Booker. Durant is expiring in 2026 - and yes, they should trade him and get value for him. But I think its more important to trade Booker at the same time. Booker is signed through 2028. They trade Durant but keep Booker - with Beal, Booker, Allen and O'Neale through 2027 - that is over $140m through 2027 when Beal expires. Trade Durant, trade Booker, hopefully you can attach O'Neal or Allen in a trade; or trade them outright. That has to be the plan this summer. Sorry Bradley, this will be your team for two years..

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Windhorst today. This is not surprising but in fact, it is not the most important move or decision the front office his. To me its Booker. Durant is expiring in 2026 - and yes, they should trade him and get value for him. But I think its more important to trade Booker at the same time. Booker is signed through 2028. They trade Durant but keep Booker - with Beal, Booker, Allen and O'Neale through 2027 - that is over $140m through 2027 when Beal expires. Trade Durant, trade Booker, hopefully you can attach O'Neal or Allen in a trade; or trade them outright. That has to be the plan this summer. Sorry Bradley, this will be your team for two years..

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A very reasonable package value obviously! As I and others have pointed out already. There'll be plenty of suitors, and we'll have options for a good deal. So no need to bend over just to get "sandpaper dildo" ed by another team! 1-2 young prospects/ talents/ Salary fillers for matching purposes and 2 1sts.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

Windhorst today. This is not surprising but in fact, it is not the most important move or decision the front office his. To me its Booker. Durant is expiring in 2026 - and yes, they should trade him and get value for him. But I think its more important to trade Booker at the same time. Booker is signed through 2028. They trade Durant but keep Booker - with Beal, Booker, Allen and O'Neale through 2027 - that is over $140m through 2027 when Beal expires. Trade Durant, trade Booker, hopefully you can attach O'Neal or Allen in a trade; or trade them outright. That has to be the plan this summer. Sorry Bradley, this will be your team for two years..

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A very reasonable package value obviously! As I and others have pointed out already. There'll be plenty of suitors, and we'll have options for a good deal. So no need to bend over just to get "sandpaper dildo" ed by another team! 1-2 young prospects/ talents/ Salary fillers for matching purposes and 2 1sts.

I agree. There will be good solid trades for KD.

But really need Houston to open it up for Booker. That’s the big one

[Slim Charless]

Windhorst today. This is not surprising but in fact, it is not the most important move or decision the front office his. To me its Booker. Durant is expiring in 2026 - and yes, they should trade him and get value for him. But I think its more important to trade Booker at the same time. Booker is signed through 2028. They trade Durant but keep Booker - with Beal, Booker, Allen and O'Neale through 2027 - that is over $140m through 2027 when Beal expires. Trade Durant, trade Booker, hopefully you can attach O'Neal or Allen in a trade; or trade them outright. That has to be the plan this summer. Sorry Bradley, this will be your team for two years..

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A very reasonable package value obviously! As I and others have pointed out already. There'll be plenty of suitors, and we'll have options for a good deal. So no need to bend over just to get "sandpaper dildo" ed by another team! 1-2 young prospects/ talents/ Salary fillers for matching purposes and 2 1sts.

Three way trade:

Detroit- Ausar/Ivey/Stewart/2026+2028 FRPs
Houston-Jabari/Reed/our picks/ Dillon Brooks (to DET)
PHX-

Booker (to Detroit)
Durant (to Houston)


Ivey
Beal
Thompson
Jabari
Stewart

Bench: Reed, Dunn, Greyson

We draft some guys that can shoot as we'll need more so Koby seems like a great call. Maybe get a vet PG here like Conley as well.


Saves us 40 million almost and we have 2 firsts in next three drafts.

[BobbieL]

Windhorst today. This is not surprising but in fact, it is not the most important move or decision the front office his. To me its Booker. Durant is expiring in 2026 - and yes, they should trade him and get value for him. But I think its more important to trade Booker at the same time. Booker is signed through 2028. They trade Durant but keep Booker - with Beal, Booker, Allen and O'Neale through 2027 - that is over $140m through 2027 when Beal expires. Trade Durant, trade Booker, hopefully you can attach O'Neal or Allen in a trade; or trade them outright. That has to be the plan this summer. Sorry Bradley, this will be your team for two years..

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A very reasonable package value obviously! As I and others have pointed out already. There'll be plenty of suitors, and we'll have options for a good deal. So no need to bend over just to get "sandpaper dildo" ed by another team! 1-2 young prospects/ talents/ Salary fillers for matching purposes and 2 1sts.

Three way trade:

Detroit- Ausar/Ivey/Stewart/2026+2028 FRPs
Houston-Jabari/Reed/our picks/ Dillon Brooks (to DET)
PHX-

Booker (to Detroit)
Durant (to Houston)


Ivey
Beal
Thompson
Jabari
Stewart

Bench: Reed, Dunn, Greyson

We draft some guys that can shoot as we'll need more so Koby seems like a great call. Maybe get a vet PG here like Conley as well.


Saves us 40 million almost and we have 2 firsts in next three drafts.

Make this happen. This would be ideal actually

But what teams can take O'Neal and Allen - might as well continue to offload the bad contracts

[BobbieL]

Scoop Robinson - he is based in NY/NJ - I think he has a lot of Flex in him. Gets some stuff right but not always. Has this little nugget about Kyrie and Durant:

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Scoop also has a lot today about the Mavs wanting Durant to pair with Kyrie. I think the market for Durant could be pretty decent

[Saberestar]

Scoop Robinson - he is based in NY/NJ - I think he has a lot of Flex in him. Gets some stuff right but not always. Has this little nugget about Kyrie and Durant:

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Scoop also has a lot today about the Mavs wanting Durant to pair with Kyrie. I think the market for Durant could be pretty decent

My first thought is.... Booker for Kyrie?

[lilfishi22]

It's for his low IQ for sure.

He made two big mistakes yesterday when the game on the line. One was retaining the ball or not moving it fast enough and getting fouled (then he missed 1 FT) when the Grizzlies wanted to make foul and the other one was missing his man on defense for a wide open 3 (Aldama) when we were up by 4 in OT.

Hopefully he improves in all those details because I like his game and he is really smooth on the court.

Yeah, but like other players, I think his strengths outweigh his negatives. A lot of people made dumb plays yesterday. It seems like KD made a ton of horrible passes.

When you can shoot like Bol and have the length to really deter shooters, you are valuable. And what helps IQ? Playing more.

It's not the same. KD usually makes mistakes with a ton of pressure on him or double teamed.

Bol Bol's low IQ is what has made that he hasn't been anything more than a minimum guy for years and years in the league, he is 25. I am not discovering anything new here.

I am the first one that want him to be great and play a big role on the team but he makes unforced mistakes all the time, even when he plays well.

The simple fact is every team that takes a chance on him wants to be the one that figures him out or gets him to figure it out. I don't think anyone can pinpoint exactly what the issue is, it's probably IQ related but Malone had a go, Mosley had a go, Vogel had a go and now Bud had a go. These aren't bum coaches either, these are at the very least, solid head coaches and the other 3 are championship winning coaches.

I think we all want him to be great. If he's great, it's great for us. With how this season and last season went, I think everyone is hoping to find some bright spots in an otherwise a pretty dark situation. But he just hasn't earned the minutes, he didn't earn it with Malone, not with Mosley, not with Vogel and not with Bud and as much as I like to think I know how to coach, these are actual championship coaches.

[BobbieL]

Scoop Robinson - he is based in NY/NJ - I think he has a lot of Flex in him. Gets some stuff right but not always. Has this little nugget about Kyrie and Durant:

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Scoop also has a lot today about the Mavs wanting Durant to pair with Kyrie. I think the market for Durant could be pretty decent

My first thought is.... Booker for Kyrie?

You mean to pair with Durant -- I don't think thats a good idea

Could the Suns get Christie in a Durant deals?

That said - I prefer the above idea
Durant to Houston
Booker to Detroit

Suns get the picks and young players, get below the apron level

[Slim Charless]

Scoop Robinson - he is based in NY/NJ - I think he has a lot of Flex in him. Gets some stuff right but not always. Has this little nugget about Kyrie and Durant:

Read on Twitter

Scoop also has a lot today about the Mavs wanting Durant to pair with Kyrie. I think the market for Durant could be pretty decent

I'd rather Durant to Houston as I would like our picks back. Taking Dillon Brooks instead of Jalen Green makes up the value for them. That only works though if we're trading Booker too. I like this idea alot as it gets up a Thompson. A front court of

Ausar
Jabari
Stewart

Is a mean combination that will defend well. Those 3 compliment each other, defensively at least. Surround them with shooting and someone who can run an offensive set, and I think we have something.

[Frank Lee]

And yet the teams are penalized for tampering?

[Saberestar]

Scoop Robinson - he is based in NY/NJ - I think he has a lot of Flex in him. Gets some stuff right but not always. Has this little nugget about Kyrie and Durant:

Read on Twitter

Scoop also has a lot today about the Mavs wanting Durant to pair with Kyrie. I think the market for Durant could be pretty decent

My first thought is.... Booker for Kyrie?

You mean to pair with Durant -- I don't think thats a good idea

Could the Suns get Christie in a Durant deals?

That said - I prefer the above idea
Durant to Houston
Booker to Detroit

Suns get the picks and young players, get below the apron level

Dallas would be (theorically) a bad partner in a Durant trade because they don't have too many good assets.

Picks are meh, young players look like future role players at best...no one with big upside or someone with All-Star potential.