Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[nykballa2k4]

Didn’t we have recent season where we beat the Sixers during the regular season and then got blown out by them in the playoffs? I’m we can find many similar examples. I really think that getting a healthy Mitch back is going to change the dynamics of this team for the better. It’ll move Towns to the 4 where he’s better suited defensively and it also pushes Josh to lengthening the bench. His return also makes us a much better overall defensive team.

Finally, Cleveland and Boston must have lost to teams worse than us because our records are (or were) so close.

I still hold out hope for our team to get it together before the playoffs start.

I think for most it is not that we lost, but the way we lost which is disheartening. If say 4 out of those 7 games were close, tough games then it would feel different. It just feels like we have lost by an average margin of like 20 points to those teams.

I do agree that Mitch should help us out a lot. Covering for defensive deficiencies is one thing but like you said he'll essentially move Hart to the bench which should make our bench much better. All that being set you have to keep the following in mind: We traded Randle and DD (who was a fan favorite) as well as 6!!!first round draft picks (the Detroit pick is looking like a nice mid first rounder BTW). And today we are wondering whether we are looking at a better or worse season outcome in May. If you told me we'd trade Randle and DD and 6 FRPs ---4 of them unprotected (and Milwaukee pick certain to convey) and we'd get blown out 7 times against the league's elite....would you have been ok with that? So I can completely understand the frustration right now....

And on top of that...the guy we traded 5 FRPs for has been essentially catastrophically bad in those games against the league's elite...like he got literally benched for Deuce...

I can’t argue too much with the Knicks naysayers here. I get disheartened when watching these games too. I guess I’m trying to stay positive hoping something just clicks with this team as we hit the final stretch of the season.

*fingers crossed*

I think the thing was was concerning to me was that I looked at the Celtics losses. They have some loses to some pretty meh teams. Probably lost more to sub .500 teams than we have.

Mitch changes our math and if we can get Bridges going we have a chance. If he stays playing like a poor mans Lance Thomas ... He should move to the bench for someone like Deuce who thrives on catch and shoot

[Spree2Houston]

I think OG is gone by next year’s trade deadline. We have Precious’ full bird rights this summer so we should give him a large one year deal to include in a bigger trade at the deadline. OG + Precious should get us a disgruntled star making 45+ mil. Idk if the apron rules could allow it, so please feel free to chime in if I’m wrong with this

[Richard4444]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.

The team that receives an S&T player gets hard-capped at the first apron (196M). It would be impossible if the Wolves want to keep Randle (or equal salary in return) and Naz Reid.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think for most it is not that we lost, but the way we lost which is disheartening. If say 4 out of those 7 games were close, tough games then it would feel different. It just feels like we have lost by an average margin of like 20 points to those teams.

I do agree that Mitch should help us out a lot. Covering for defensive deficiencies is one thing but like you said he'll essentially move Hart to the bench which should make our bench much better. All that being set you have to keep the following in mind: We traded Randle and DD (who was a fan favorite) as well as 6!!!first round draft picks (the Detroit pick is looking like a nice mid first rounder BTW). And today we are wondering whether we are looking at a better or worse season outcome in May. If you told me we'd trade Randle and DD and 6 FRPs ---4 of them unprotected (and Milwaukee pick certain to convey) and we'd get blown out 7 times against the league's elite....would you have been ok with that? So I can completely understand the frustration right now....

And on top of that...the guy we traded 5 FRPs for has been essentially catastrophically bad in those games against the league's elite...like he got literally benched for Deuce...

I can’t argue too much with the Knicks naysayers here. I get disheartened when watching these games too. I guess I’m trying to stay positive hoping something just clicks with this team as we hit the final stretch of the season.

*fingers crossed*

I think the thing was was concerning to me was that I looked at the Celtics losses. They have some loses to some pretty meh teams. Probably lost more to sub .500 teams than we have.

Mitch changes our math and if we can get Bridges going we have a chance. If he stays playing like a poor mans Lance Thomas ... He should move to the bench for someone like Deuce who thrives on catch and shoot

Exactly! (Large font)

Maybe replacing Josh with Mitch in the starting lineup should create a lot more touches for Mikal where he can hopefully get into a better rhythm while Josh strengthens the bench.

[HarthorneWingo]

NYK Trades: KAT, Hart
PHX Trades: KD, Allen, Dunn, two future 1st rounders

Mitch / KD / OG / Bridges / Brunson w/ Deuce, Allen, Dunn, Huk off the pine. Much better team defensively and better overall shooting and depth. KD in his final contract year but he could stay on a 2-3 year team-friendly deal. PHX gets to pair KAT with Booker and stay semi-relevant for the next half decade as they lack picks anyway. Many around here would probably hate it, but KD is getting traded this summer no doubt. Probably to Miami.

I actually think the Knicks could pull off a KD deal this time around because the Suns would have to stay relevant due to the Booker situation---the Suns can't go into rebuilding mode and just trade for picks. They'll likely go for good veterans to replace KD. I like your proposed line-up a lot, although I don't know how good KD is on defense these days.

For me the main problem here is that our bench would be paper thin....even thinner than this season. On top of that KD shortens our window significantly and could make those traded 2029 and 2031 picks really valuable.

Is KD a better defender than KAT?

[HarthorneWingo]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.

Why would they want Precious? They already have Gobert, Naz, and Randle to b play the 4/5 positions.

[HopelessKnick]

NYK Trades: KAT, Hart
PHX Trades: KD, Allen, Dunn, two future 1st rounders

Mitch / KD / OG / Bridges / Brunson w/ Deuce, Allen, Dunn, Huk off the pine. Much better team defensively and better overall shooting and depth. KD in his final contract year but he could stay on a 2-3 year team-friendly deal. PHX gets to pair KAT with Booker and stay semi-relevant for the next half decade as they lack picks anyway. Many around here would probably hate it, but KD is getting traded this summer no doubt. Probably to Miami.

I actually think the Knicks could pull off a KD deal this time around because the Suns would have to stay relevant due to the Booker situation---the Suns can't go into rebuilding mode and just trade for picks. They'll likely go for good veterans to replace KD. I like your proposed line-up a lot, although I don't know how good KD is on defense these days.

For me the main problem here is that our bench would be paper thin....even thinner than this season. On top of that KD shortens our window significantly and could make those traded 2029 and 2031 picks really valuable.

Is KD a better defender than KAT?

Nowadays I honestly don't know because I haven't watched the Suns at all. But Durant throughout his career has been solid defensively (maybe the first couple seasons with OKC he was below average)---teams would never pick him out as a weak defensive link. He has never been a Ron Artest or so but his length and mobility have been good enough to impact the game defensively. The problem with KD is that he is getting really really old--36 years old now. However one could make the argument that--like Lebron--he probably has another 4-5 years of elite scoring etc. left.

I personally do not think the Knicks are going to seriously consider trading any of the core 5 this offseason. If I had to bet on anyone getting traded it would be Mitch, but with his value low it does not make that much sense to trade him (and you would have to get back and adequate Center replacement in the deal which basically means a downgrade in terms of talent).

[HopelessKnick]

We should look at targeting Brook Lopez in the offseason. He has still solid production at the age of 36 and blocks 2 shots a game while spacing the floor well. His only weakness is rebounding which shouldn't be a big problem here. At this stage in his career he may be willing to sign for the non-taxpayer exception on a 2 year deal. He is still playing 32 minutes a game so he should be good for a 25minutes role here. He is also pretty durable.

Another veteran to look at would be Clint Capela but I feel like he will command a much higher salary.

Does anybody know what exception we could potentially use in the summer?

[WargamesX]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.

Why would they want Precious? They already have Gobert, Naz, and Randle to b play the 4/5 positions.

Basically my question is if they decide to waive players to make space for Durant could we attach something to precious for DDV so they can then wait Precious and get an asset instead of waiving DDV and getting nothing back?

Honestly I think that might be in general the best use for Precious contract this summer. Find a team looking to waive a better player and attach an asset for them to trade and waive precious instead.

[WargamesX]

I think OG is gone by next year’s trade deadline. We have Precious’ full bird rights this summer so we should give him a large one year deal to include in a bigger trade at the deadline. OG + Precious should get us a disgruntled star making 45+ mil. Idk if the apron rules could allow it, so please feel free to chime in if I’m wrong with this

I honestly think the issue is we're too top heave. We need to either do 1 for 1 deal for a better player than precious or 1 for 2 deal for a starter for some bench depth.

[HarthorneWingo]

I actually think the Knicks could pull off a KD deal this time around because the Suns would have to stay relevant due to the Booker situation---the Suns can't go into rebuilding mode and just trade for picks. They'll likely go for good veterans to replace KD. I like your proposed line-up a lot, although I don't know how good KD is on defense these days.

For me the main problem here is that our bench would be paper thin....even thinner than this season. On top of that KD shortens our window significantly and could make those traded 2029 and 2031 picks really valuable.

Is KD a better defender than KAT?

Nowadays I honestly don't know because I haven't watched the Suns at all. But Durant throughout his career has been solid defensively (maybe the first couple seasons with OKC he was below average)---teams would never pick him out as a weak defensive link. He has never been a Ron Artest or so but his length and mobility have been good enough to impact the game defensively. The problem with KD is that he is getting really really old--36 years old now. However one could make the argument that--like Lebron--he probably has another 4-5 years of elite scoring etc. left.

I personally do not think the Knicks are going to seriously consider trading any of the core 5 this offseason. If I had to bet on anyone getting traded it would be Mitch, but with his value low it does not make that much sense to trade him (and you would have to get back and adequate Center replacement in the deal which basically means a downgrade in terms of talent).

Agreed. Ain’t nothing happening. We’re going to give the core time to develop chemistry before they make any major moves. I can see us making some moves to improve the bench. But if Mitch is healthy - big if - that moves Hart to the bench. Problem possibly solved.

[WaltFrazier]

One of the YouTube videos in the Mitch thread led me to another Knicks channel, one of the ones by a guy in his house, claiming Chuma Okeke would be brought in soon. I don't know much about him but 6'7 forward who can shoot? Sounds good. Is he likely to be brought up from Westchester? What would it take roster wise?

Edit: https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-could-fill-15th-roster-spot-with-one-of-two-g-league-standouts/

So it's him or TJ, which one do we want?

[nykballa2k4]

I can’t argue too much with the Knicks naysayers here. I get disheartened when watching these games too. I guess I’m trying to stay positive hoping something just clicks with this team as we hit the final stretch of the season.

*fingers crossed*

I think the thing was was concerning to me was that I looked at the Celtics losses. They have some loses to some pretty meh teams. Probably lost more to sub .500 teams than we have.

Mitch changes our math and if we can get Bridges going we have a chance. If he stays playing like a poor mans Lance Thomas ... He should move to the bench for someone like Deuce who thrives on catch and shoot

Exactly! (Large font)

Maybe replacing Josh with Mitch in the starting lineup should create a lot more touches for Mikal where he can hopefully get into a better rhythm while Josh strengthens the bench.

What i like about josh off of the bench is that he can change the pace. Start of games Brunson/KAT are more half court guys. JHart is a fast break, playing him with our faster guys is ideal.

[HarthorneWingo]

We could’ve signed Gary Trent Jr., who’s having a nice season for the Bucks, for a song. But Leon was asleep.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think the thing was was concerning to me was that I looked at the Celtics losses. They have some loses to some pretty meh teams. Probably lost more to sub .500 teams than we have.

Mitch changes our math and if we can get Bridges going we have a chance. If he stays playing like a poor mans Lance Thomas ... He should move to the bench for someone like Deuce who thrives on catch and shoot

Exactly! (Large font)

Maybe replacing Josh with Mitch in the starting lineup should create a lot more touches for Mikal where he can hopefully get into a better rhythm while Josh strengthens the bench.

What i like about josh off of the bench is that he can change the pace. Start of games Brunson/KAT are more half court guys. JHart is a fast break, playing him with our faster guys is ideal.

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[nykballa2k4]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.

The team that receives an S&T player gets hard-capped at the first apron (196M). It would be impossible if the Wolves want to keep Randle (or equal salary in return) and Naz Reid.

We could cobble some things together for Donte back, but it would hurt. Like pick swap 2032, Kolek, Deuce, Pac, and probably one Min guy. Need to find a 3rd team if we are both over 1st apron teams. Might be able to finesse getting a lesser pick back (like one of the ones we gave them).

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[nykballa2k4]

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I don't think he could score 30 for Shanghi

[WargamesX]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.

The team that receives an S&T player gets hard-capped at the first apron (196M). It would be impossible if the Wolves want to keep Randle (or equal salary in return) and Naz Reid.

We could cobble some things together for Donte back, but it would hurt. Like pick swap 2032, Kolek, Deuce, Pac, and probably one Min guy. Need to find a 3rd team if we are both over 1st apron teams. Might be able to finesse getting a lesser pick back (like one of the ones we gave them).

I think it is something they explore if its reasonable.