Not Loyal, No Journeyman Draft (Post Merger) - Discussion

ReggiesKnicks · Post #141 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:32 pm

I'm happy to get two play-off caliber rotation players (2023 Nickeil Alexander-Walker and 2024 Naji Marshall) at this spot. I was worried I was going to be picking non-shooters like Matisse Thybulle or TA.

JimmyPlopper · Post #142 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:42 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Thybulle was migya's pick...

Db is up

Post #143 » by **MadNESS** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:31 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Seems like too much research

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Post #144 » by **MadNESS** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:32 pm

I actually have more guards (over bigs) for my last pick. I usually have a hundred bigs, and no guards. Such a weird and different draft.

Post #145 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:33 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:.

Timelord was already picked

JimmyPlopper · Post #146 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:25 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Too annoying for me.

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Dr Positivity · Post #147 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:31 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Too annoying for me.

up

It's still uber's turn.

JimmyPlopper · Post #148 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:33 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Too annoying for me.

up

It's still uber's turn.

sorry got confused by stans pick

durantbird · Post #149 » by **durantbird** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 5:22 am

MadNESS wrote:I actually have more guards (over bigs) for my last pick. I usually have a hundred bigs, and no guards. Such a weird and different draft.

Role player pool is tough because role players always go around clubs. I had some name in mind who played 4 seasons in the league but turns out every season was for a different club

JimmyPlopper · Post #150 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:03 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
up

It's still uber's turn.

sorry got confused by stans pick

Now you're up

Larry_Russell · Post #151 » by **Larry_Russell** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:20 pm

MadNESS wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:Seems like too much research

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Post #152 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:40 pm

durantbird wrote:For me it was actually pretty easy to remember which are the top guys for this, and I remember pretty well if a player stayed for one team or been to at least four. I simulated possible first six rounds and didn't feel difficult or research heavy to me. But maybe that's just me.

As Snake mentioned, when you enter a player's page you can check eligibility pretty fast.

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Post #153 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:05 pm

I liked this restriction. A lot of new faces drafted. Definitely different and challenging. I like what I did for the most part. Should be fun.

durantbird · Post #154 » by **durantbird** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:08 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:I'll join

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flaco · Post #155 » by **flaco** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:58 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Harrison Barnes

He's ineligible. Please repick.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #156 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:02 pm

Greg Ostertag

flaco · Post #157 » by **flaco** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:15 pm

This was a very shallow pool, yet George Gervin, Elvin Hayes and Bob Lanier ended up undrafted. All 3 of them are HOFers. Personally, I almost drafted Gervin. Changed my mind the very last second and opted for Wiggins. I was afraid voters would dismiss Gervin as a non 3pt shooter who'd disrupt spacing next to Luka.

Hope we have a conversation about this now that the draft is over. I think there's something fundamentally wrong in the way we judge old school players. Gervin was a career 84% FT shooter. More often than not, FT% is indicative of shooting ability. By all accounts, he was also a great mid-range shooter. Nobody was expecting him to shoot 3s in the 70s/80s. Chances are he would have developed a reliable 3 in the modern era. All he'd have to do is expand his range a little bit. Hate myself right now for passing up an all-time great for Andrew f...ing Wiggins. He's a decent 2-way wing, but Gervin is a basketball legend.

JimmyPlopper · Post #158 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:17 pm

I agree and I almost took Gervin as well

ReggiesKnicks · Post #159 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:22 pm

flaco wrote:This was a very shallow pool, yet George Gervin, Elvin Hayes and Bob Lanier ended up undrafted. All 3 of them are HOFers. Personally, I almost drafted Gervin. Changed my mind the very last second and opted for Wiggins. I was afraid voters would dismiss Gervin as a non 3pt shooter who'd distrapt spacing next to Luka.

Hope we have a conversation about this now that the draft is over. I think there's something fundamentally wrong in the way we judge old school players. Gervin was a career 84% FT shooter. More often than not, FT% is indicative of shooting ability. By all accounts, he was also a great mid-range shooter. Nobody was expecting him to shoot 3s in the 70s/80s. Chances are he would have developed a reliable 3 in the modern era. All he'd have to do is expand his range a little bit. Hate myself right now for passing up an all-time great for Andrew f...ing Wiggins. He's a decent 2-way wing, but Gervin is a basketball legend.

I debated on Gervin but the thing is he wasn't a 3P shooter and it's hard to fit Walton/Gervin/Pippen together unless I tried to explain why Walton was Nikola Jokic as a passer, which is a hard sell. Gervin was much more of a slasher like Dominque Wilkins (Who you love, right? Right? RIGHT?) and mid-range maestro.

I don't think it is fair to just say "Good FT Shooter, Good 3P Shooter". DeMar DeRozan is a mid-80s FT shooter yet a 30% 3P shooter. He was a slasher and mid-range maestro, not a 3P shooter.

So I fundamentally disagree about saying Gervin would have automatically been a 3P shooter, because that wasn't his game. Now, Chris Mullin on the other hand was a 3P shooting champion and later in his career became a decent 3P volume guy. He is the type of older player who you can look at his 1990 season (Season I am using) and say you know what, that's a 38-40% 3P guy on high volume. High release, perfect shooting motion, off the catch shooter, ect.

Post #160 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:24 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
flaco wrote:This was a very shallow pool, yet George Gervin, Elvin Hayes and Bob Lanier ended up undrafted. All 3 of them are HOFers. Personally, I almost drafted Gervin. Changed my mind the very last second and opted for Wiggins. I was afraid voters would dismiss Gervin as a non 3pt shooter who'd distrapt spacing next to Luka.

Hope we have a conversation about this now that the draft is over. I think there's something fundamentally wrong in the way we judge old school players. Gervin was a career 84% FT shooter. More often than not, FT% is indicative of shooting ability. By all accounts, he was also a great mid-range shooter. Nobody was expecting him to shoot 3s in the 70s/80s. Chances are he would have developed a reliable 3 in the modern era. All he'd have to do is expand his range a little bit. Hate myself right now for passing up an all-time great for Andrew f...ing Wiggins. He's a decent 2-way wing, but Gervin is a basketball legend.

I debated on Gervin but the thing is he wasn't a 3P shooter and it's hard to fit Walton/Gervin/Pippen together unless I tried to explain why Walton was Nikola Jokic as a passer, which is a hard sell. Gervin was much more of a slasher like Dominque Wilkins (Who you love, right? Right? RIGHT?) and mid-range maestro.

I don't think it is fair to just say "Good FT Shooter, Good 3P Shooter". DeMar DeRozan is a mid-80s FT shooter yet a 30% 3P shooter. He was a slasher and mid-range maestro, not a 3P shooter.

So I fundamentally disagree about saying Gervin would have automatically been a 3P shooter, because that wasn't his game. Now, Chris Mullin on the other hand was a 3P shooting champion and later in his career became a decent 3P volume guy. He is the type of older player who you can look at his 1990 season (Season I am using) and say you know what, that's a 38-40% 3P guy on high volume. High release, perfect shooting motion, off the catch shooter, ect.

Is Wilkins a fair comparision for Gervin? I always got the impression he was a much better shooter than Wilkins. And he’s certainly more efficient.