KD = Which 2025 1st?

[LarsV8]

another poster explained why green is bad in the actual real world too, which is why we vote him as one of the worst contract/value

Do the same for Banchero.

Paolo isn't on an extension yet

Correct, not yet. But lets just pretend that Banchero's next contract isn't the MLE.

Would love to see your stat breakdown.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Do the same for Banchero.

Paolo isn't on an extension yet

Correct, not yet. But lets just pretend that Banchero's next contract isn't the MLE.

Would love to see your stat breakdown.

Sure. Here is my post from reddit this past week.

Oh I'm really low on Paolo as well. He is a bad defender, he isn't a good shooter, he is a good passer and playmaker for his size but not good enough to generate positive offensive on a consistent basis.

He has all the tools to be a very good offensive player, Chris Webber like, but I worry he has too many aspects of his game he needs to improve in order to become a high-impact player.

Edit: Paolo isn't Top 20 dude. No statistic in the universe has him in the Top 40, let alone Top 20. Please don't put the cart before the horse here. Paolo isn't remotely close to a Top 20. Please stop overrating young players.

Checkmate Athiests

[JRoy]

Paolo isn't on an extension yet

Correct, not yet. But lets just pretend that Banchero's next contract isn't the MLE.

Would love to see your stat breakdown.

Sure. Here is my post from reddit this past week.

Oh I'm really low on Paolo as well. He is a bad defender, he isn't a good shooter, he is a good passer and playmaker for his size but not good enough to generate positive offensive on a consistent basis.

He has all the tools to be a very good offensive player, Chris Webber like, but I worry he has too many aspects of his game he needs to improve in order to become a high-impact player.

Edit: Paolo isn't Top 20 dude. No statistic in the universe has him in the Top 40, let alone Top 20. Please don't put the cart before the horse here. Paolo isn't remotely close to a Top 20. Please stop overrating young players.

Checkmate Athiests

Agreed on all counts.

[LarsV8]

Paolo isn't on an extension yet

Correct, not yet. But lets just pretend that Banchero's next contract isn't the MLE.

Would love to see your stat breakdown.

Sure. Here is my post from reddit this past week.

Oh I'm really low on Paolo as well. He is a bad defender, he isn't a good shooter, he is a good passer and playmaker for his size but not good enough to generate positive offensive on a consistent basis.

He has all the tools to be a very good offensive player, Chris Webber like, but I worry he has too many aspects of his game he needs to improve in order to become a high-impact player.

Edit: Paolo isn't Top 20 dude. No statistic in the universe has him in the Top 40, let alone Top 20. Please don't put the cart before the horse here. Paolo isn't remotely close to a Top 20. Please stop overrating young players.

Checkmate Athiests

I'm proud of you for your consistency.

Lets bookmark and revisit in a few years to see how it all played out.

[K_chile22]

Jalen, Jock, Whitmore, Suns pick this year, worst of 2027 PHX OR (best of HOU and BKN)

[basketballwacko2]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Are you saying Jalen Green is a negative contract? Jock might be a small negative at $8 million but his 2026-27 year is a team option.

[basketballwacko2]

Hartenstein, Dort, Topic and 7th Overall via Philly for KD?

I think Dort has clear positive value, Topic still holds positive value and Hartenstein could be argued is neutral on his contract.

What draft pick does this equate to then?

4 which matches the early poll results... that wouldn't get OKC into the top 3

I could see OKC bringing him back in a deal they have a bunch of draft picks if they added KD and didn't give up too much of their current core players they might be the #1 team.

Phoenix should want to cut their tax bill, are they going get slammed for "repeater" tax? Trading Hartenstien and Dort add a couple of picks for KD. Suns save around $9 million in salary and how much more in the tax? And you have to think that KD is nearing the end of his career maybe 2-3 more good seasons for him at 60-65 games each.

[Snakebites]

Yeah, 4-8 sounds about right, but that's assuming the team that owns that pick is looking to win now.

Which teams who get the 4-8 typically are not.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Jalen Green negative contract??? I understand that he has flaws, but in my opinion a 23 year old kid with a lot of room for improvement, a starter at the 4/5 seed and averaging + 21 points, .. is not a negative contract, .. (for example) wouldn't the Magic give his 2 FRP and equivalent money for him? (in my opinion they should) or wouldn't the HORNETS give a couple of FRP (Mavs/Heat?) they should also in my opinion....

Average scoring efficiency. Average shooter. Average playing making. Average defense for the right to pay him 35 million a year the next three seasons?

He the worse version of RJ Barrett

[basketballwacko2]

Hartenstein, Dort, Topic and 7th Overall via Philly for KD?

I think Dort has clear positive value, Topic still holds positive value and Hartenstein could be argued is neutral on his contract.

What draft pick does this equate to then?

4 which matches the early poll results... that wouldn't get OKC into the top 3

I could see OKC bringing him back in a deal they have a bunch of draft picks if they added KD and didn't give up too much of their current core players they might be the #1 team.

Phoenix should want to cut their tax bill, are they going get slammed for "repeater" tax? Trading Hartenstien and Dort add a couple of picks for KD. Suns save around $9 million in salary and how much more in the tax? And you have to think that KD is nearing the end of his career maybe 2-3 more good seasons for him at 60-65 games each.

[SkyHook]

The real answer is... it depends. For the Jazz, I wouldn't trade their own pick regardless of where it falls and if the Wolves end up in the lottery I probably wouldn't trade that pick either. Not because of whatever talent KD has remaining in his career, simply because it's the wrong direction for the team in its current state.

[Slim Charless]

Yeah, 4-8 sounds about right, but that's assuming the team that owns that pick is looking to win now.

Which teams who get the 4-8 typically are not.

It would have to be OKC getting Philly's pick at 7 and higher. They'll have a need for a guy like Durant if they don't win this year.

[Snakebites]

Yeah, 4-8 sounds about right, but that's assuming the team that owns that pick is looking to win now.

Which teams who get the 4-8 typically are not.

It would have to be OKC getting Philly's pick at 7 and higher. They'll have a need for a guy like Durant if they don't win this year.

The thought of adding Durant to that OKC group is...intimidating to say the least.

I don't think I've ever in my life seen a team in a more advantageous position going forward than the Thunder. They can add talent in a variety of different ways thanks to their wealth of draft assets, but it's not even 100 percent certain that they'll need to.

Even the Warriors couldn't sustain what they had for long. The Thunder seem like they might be able to with that influx of draft picks they still have coming in.

[Slim Charless]

Yeah, 4-8 sounds about right, but that's assuming the team that owns that pick is looking to win now.

Which teams who get the 4-8 typically are not.

It would have to be OKC getting Philly's pick at 7 and higher. They'll have a need for a guy like Durant if they don't win this year.

The thought of adding Durant to that OKC group is...intimidating to say the least.

I don't think I've ever in my life seen a team in a more advantageous position going forward than the Thunder. They can add talent in a variety of different ways thanks to their wealth of draft assets, but it's not even 100 percent certain that they'll need to.

Even the Warriors couldn't sustain what they had for long. The Thunder seem like they might be able to with that influx of draft picks they still have coming in.

They can pretty much trade for any guy that comes up. Giannis Booker, whoever.

I wonder what they would've given up if they knew Luka was on the market?

[Snakebites]

It would have to be OKC getting Philly's pick at 7 and higher. They'll have a need for a guy like Durant if they don't win this year.

The thought of adding Durant to that OKC group is...intimidating to say the least.

I don't think I've ever in my life seen a team in a more advantageous position going forward than the Thunder. They can add talent in a variety of different ways thanks to their wealth of draft assets, but it's not even 100 percent certain that they'll need to.

Even the Warriors couldn't sustain what they had for long. The Thunder seem like they might be able to with that influx of draft picks they still have coming in.

They can pretty much trade for any guy that comes up. Giannis Booker, whoever.

I wonder what they would've given up if they knew Luka was on the market?

AD wasn’t “on the market”. They only wanted AD. There was only one potential buyer.

Wild as that is.

But that’s off topic. Durant returning to OKC is a neat idea.

[Xman]

Houston has been waiting for Jalen to make the “leap.”
Cade did it this year.
Scoot looks terrible.

Rockets really can’t keep waiting on him and others to develop much longer.
If I were Utah or Washington, I would try to get Jalen and Scoot on the cheap now. In two years (hopefully end of their rebuilds), either have a stud or let them walk.
Physically, they are amazing. Mentally, ehhh

[gswhoops]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Are you saying Jalen Green is a negative contract?

Yes.

[DirtyDez]

I think the Suns will “do right” by KD because let’s be honest, stars of that caliber essentially have no trade clauses whether it’s official or not. I’m guessing he ends up in Dallas for a couple of fillers and picks 5+ years down the road. KD has already played with Kyrie/Klay and you know Nico wants to win now.

[wadenation305]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Jalen Green negative contract??? I understand that he has flaws, but in my opinion a 23 year old kid with a lot of room for improvement, a starter at the 4/5 seed and averaging + 21 points, .. is not a negative contract, .. (for example) wouldn't the Magic give his 2 FRP and equivalent money for him? (in my opinion they should) or wouldn't the HORNETS give a couple of FRP (Mavs/Heat?) they should also in my opinion....

Leave the Heat out of any Green convo. We are def not interested in him.

[basketballwacko2]

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Are you saying Jalen Green is a negative contract?

Yes.

I don't get it? He's on a 3 year deal he has two more after this one $36 million for 2 more years and seems to be a productive player. He just turned 23 averaging 21.6 pts, 36% 3pt shot and still developing. I don't think that's negative.