2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[BobbieL]

Whoa whoa whoa with the logic there bro

KD will get us the stars sun and moon while Book gets us the rest of the universe. We are approaching rebuild nirvana and the ultimate hoop healing experience. I can’t wait for Wishbia’s uber-positive reach around recap when this is all done.

If we can get 1 first and one good young player for KD plus filler, I'd good. Ideally yes, 2 picks and a good young player, but it's a tough sell with 1 year left at his age.

Dallas, for example, Max Christie and a pick plus the filler, which would have to include Gafford who is decent.

TWolves. Naz Reid, or possibly Jaden McDaniels, and a pick or possibly 2.

We are not getting a bunch for KD from Houston and then a bunch from OKC for Book or anything like that.

Hopefully for Book if Ishbia can pull his head out we trade him for Houston for 3 picks (hopefully ours or 2 of ours and the Dallas swap) a, PF (Smith or Eason), maybe a guy like Whitmore, and the filler (Green, Brooks or FVV). Green might make the most sense to take a flyer on but not sure he has the bbiq to ever be a really good player, and paying him a lot...just not sure about.

Of course I'd love Amen. But I doubt we could get 2 (or definitely not 3) of our picks AND Amen. If we got Amen maybe one of our picks (or one of ours and one other one like one of Houston's own picks). Maybe that would be better. Who knows. We likely will be near the bottom of the west for a few years anyway, even if we keep Book, so might as well start building.

Your last paragraph is why I'd like to send Booker to Detroit. We can Ausar, and while he hasn't done as much as Amen, they're twins athletically. I actually think Ausar was higher thought of when they came out.

Ausar just had the bloodclots health issues. and the Moronty handicap as his rookie year coach. Those things slowed his development but there's no reason to think he cant do what his brother does. Detroit needs Booker's skllset badly too.

Almost have to hope Booker requests a trade at this point. I think that might be the only way as I am not sure Ishbia has the guts to trade Booker if he were to come out and say "I want to stay in Phoenix." He would just want to stay in Phoenix to live in PV, get his $55m large per year and be happy. Thats not the best thing for the Suns though.

[KdoubleDees23]

Here is my trade , trying to be like GOK

Send KD to Cleveland to a contender.

Suns trade KD
Cavs trade Allen, Hunter, Wade, and a 1st 2028

then Suns trade or somehow S&T for Giddy

Suns roster

Booker
Beal
Giddy
Hunter
Allen

Giddy can act as a point forward and is a great passer.

This gives the cavs another scorer and great starting 5

Garland
Mitchell
Strus
KD
Mobley

[Slim Charless]

Side note. If Philly fires Darryl Morey, should we hire him?

[BobbieL]

Side note. If Philly fires Darryl Morey, should we hire him?

No.

I am still on the Bob Myers train as I think Ishbia would want a bigger hire. I get Morey is a big name but he would somehow bring Embid for Beal - which is the last thing the Suns need

[Ghost of Kleine]

No.

Trading for veterans at this point just means Suns are giving up a dollar for ten cent pieces. Reminds me of the Childress, Tukoglu and Warrick days.

KD and Booker needs to go for under 24 year olds and picks. Thats the ONLY viable way.

For Book yeah…

I’d do fillers and picks for KD. He’s going to demand where he goes so we lose leverage plus he’s entering season 18.

Still think Rockets will bend over for KD... if Suns just ask for their 2027 and 2029 picks and Van Vleet. Suns basically giving up a lot of value away, but the Suns picks are SUPER valuable because Suns are going to tank.

hence Rockets will resists.... MUST convince Rockets that Suns ARE not tanking and are just re-tooling. So the KD trade must happen first if Rockets are target.


Booker can then be traded before trade deadline to Pistons for Ausar Thompson, Ivey, Harris and 2 first rounders for Booker and one of the late first rounders from the Jazz trade.


Then move Grayson Allen for Mitchell Robinson

Followed by Royce O'Neal for Goga Bitadzde


Suns then run

C: Robinson / Bitadzde
F: Harris / Bol
F: Thompson / FA
G: Beal / Dunn
G: Van Vleet / Ivey

and four first rounders, including Suns 2027 and 2029.

Honestly, that lineup would win the same amount of games the current Suns have with Booker and KD, but that team has hope for the future.

I like where you're going with this idea man. And agree with you that Houston will have interest in KD too, not just for the fit and need, but also due to the connections from KD working out with their core players the last couple of summers, AND his connection to their head coach in Udoka ( from back in Udokas' time as an assistant to Nash with the Nets). Slim mentions Houston a bunch too.

So I think it's surely legitimate. There's only a couple of differences ( 2 modifications - in what I'd do within the trade framework).

1- IF taking back a package of only Van Vleet and two picks instead of getting back any of their young promising players, this trade becomes a salary dump for two picks. Not the best value at all. So to make the value better and more equitable, one of those two 1sts WILL HAVE TO BE our 25' 1st. I don't really care which of the years the other one is. BUT the 25' 1st HAE TO BE INCLUDED!!

2- I don't see Orlando preferring O'neale to Allen in a Bidatze trade, so I'd instead look to trade Allen to Orlando for Bidatze as has been previously promoted, and for my part, I'd look.to trade O'neale to either San Antonio for Sochan ( they need more shooting), or to Toronto for Agbaji and filler/ future 2nd. Agbaji being a very athletic 6'6 shotblocking 3& D wing on a rookie scale contract.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here is my trade , trying to be like GOK

Send KD to Cleveland to a contender.

Suns trade KD
Cavs trade Allen, Hunter, Wade, and a 1st 2028

then Suns trade or somehow S&T for Giddy

Suns roster

Booker
Beal
Giddy
Hunter
Allen

Giddy can act as a point forward and is a great passer.

This gives the cavs another scorer and great starting 5

Garland
Mitchell
Strus
KD
Mobley

Important to remember man, Ishbia and Gilbert hate each other like vehemently. So it's very very unlikely that they'd ever trade with each other. Also on the side note, the package could be intriguing IF there was any possibility of them actually doing business with each other which they just wouldn't.

But the 28' 1st also can't happen because they've already traded their 27 and 29 firsts and under the Stepien rules, they have to maintain picks in alternating years.

That's kind of why you never hear any mention of them as a potential trade partner with us. Because they're bitter rivals in business and in their sports ownership.

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we can get 1 first and one good young player for KD plus filler, I'd good. Ideally yes, 2 picks and a good young player, but it's a tough sell with 1 year left at his age.

Dallas, for example, Max Christie and a pick plus the filler, which would have to include Gafford who is decent.

TWolves. Naz Reid, or possibly Jaden McDaniels, and a pick or possibly 2.

We are not getting a bunch for KD from Houston and then a bunch from OKC for Book or anything like that.

Hopefully for Book if Ishbia can pull his head out we trade him for Houston for 3 picks (hopefully ours or 2 of ours and the Dallas swap) a, PF (Smith or Eason), maybe a guy like Whitmore, and the filler (Green, Brooks or FVV). Green might make the most sense to take a flyer on but not sure he has the bbiq to ever be a really good player, and paying him a lot...just not sure about.

Of course I'd love Amen. But I doubt we could get 2 (or definitely not 3) of our picks AND Amen. If we got Amen maybe one of our picks (or one of ours and one other one like one of Houston's own picks). Maybe that would be better. Who knows. We likely will be near the bottom of the west for a few years anyway, even if we keep Book, so might as well start building.

Your last paragraph is why I'd like to send Booker to Detroit. We can Ausar, and while he hasn't done as much as Amen, they're twins athletically. I actually think Ausar was higher thought of when they came out.

Ausar just had the bloodclots health issues. and the Moronty handicap as his rookie year coach. Those things slowed his development but there's no reason to think he cant do what his brother does. Detroit needs Booker's skllset badly too.

Almost have to hope Booker requests a trade at this point. I think that might be the only way as I am not sure Ishbia has the guts to trade Booker if he were to come out and say "I want to stay in Phoenix." He would just want to stay in Phoenix to live in PV, get his $55m large per year and be happy. Thats not the best thing for the Suns though.

Ishbia wouldn't because of their Michigan connection which is obviously a paramount consideration for him if also considering his friendship with Thomas of all people. And Booker probably won't ask out himself for at least another season or two unless it gets really bad.

It's just a nightmare scenario any way you slice it.

[KdoubleDees23]

Keep Booker.

Wonder if we can get KD to Spurs for Fox / Barnes

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This, unfortunately for Orlando, should at least make an Allen to Orlando trade much more enticing??

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Of course they did! There's just so much to all of this that will eventually come out. Also so much lying and lazy spin job attempts by the Mavs ownership. Just sad and pathetic!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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The Knicks dodged such a massive bullet!! I feel sorry for Embiid, but the signs were obviously there.

[BobbieL]

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The Knicks dodged such a massive bullet!! I feel sorry for Embiid, but the signs were obviously there.

Don't give Ishbia any ideas of trading Beal and picks for Embiid to pair with Booker and KD

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Game changing scenario for us obviously!

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The key here is to recognize that he didn't say he's retiring or wouldn't possibly return next season?
So I'm keeping a modicum of irrational hope for a KD to San Antonio trade as a possibility this summer. Just give me a package of Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ ATL 25' 1st/ ATL 27' 1st.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So if Washington was indeed an option, KD would consider, for the reasons Melo mentioned, what package would you look for coming back from them?

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[thamadkant]

Here is my trade , trying to be like GOK

Send KD to Cleveland to a contender.

Suns trade KD
Cavs trade Allen, Hunter, Wade, and a 1st 2028

then Suns trade or somehow S&T for Giddy

Suns roster

Booker
Beal
Giddy
Hunter
Allen

Giddy can act as a point forward and is a great passer.

This gives the cavs another scorer and great starting 5

Garland
Mitchell
Strus
KD
Mobley

Important to remember man, Ishbia and Gilbert hate each other like vehemently. So it's very very unlikely that they'd ever trade with each other. Also on the side note, the package could be intriguing IF there was any possibility of them actually doing business with each other which they just wouldn't.

But the 28' 1st also can't happen because they've already traded their 27 and 29 firsts and under the Stepien rules, they have to maintain picks in alternating years.

That's kind of why you never hear any mention of them as a potential trade partner with us. Because they're bitter rivals in business and in their sports ownership.

Yup.

Don't think Cavs are a trading partner. Both owners would not want the other to benefit at all.

[thamadkant]

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So if Washington was indeed an option, KD would consider, for the reasons Melo mentioned, what package would you look for coming back from them?

KD is unlikely to go there.

He wants to be in the discussions as GOAT, at least have another ring or two.

He wants to have more rings than LeBron.


And Melo is last player I'd listen to. The guy was selfish and hence never really won. Knicks could have made ECFs had he got along with Jeremy Lin back then and kept their core.

[thamadkant]

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The Knicks dodged such a massive bullet!! I feel sorry for Embiid, but the signs were obviously there.

Probably my most hated player in the league right now. Embiid is a perfect example of what is wrong with the league. He outweighs and outsizes his opponents every night by about 20% but he insist on playing like a guard and flopping to get to the line. He jerks his body and fall down as if he gets hit by a small car, his game style disgusts me and I want him to retire ASAP.

[thamadkant]

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The key here is to recognize that he didn't say he's retiring or wouldn't possibly return next season?
So I'm keeping a modicum of irrational hope for a KD to San Antonio trade as a possibility this summer. Just give me a package of Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ ATL 25' 1st/ ATL 27' 1st.

Spurs ownership and HQ are top of the league so fleecing them is always out of the question. And I truly believe their owners also have links to NBA ownership through other ways and they are looked after. I mean... 3 generational big men with Admiral, Duncan and Wemby... basically everytime there's a HOF big man, as in championship level big franchise player, Spurs land the pick. I truly believe some drafts are rigged if the NBA are trying to set up something.