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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1801 » by sixers hoops » Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:39 am

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Yes! That is a great point you just made. I had forgotten all about Kawhi and his issues. I think this is definitely fixable with Joel, but like Leonard, it's going to take time. We need to just do it now and be done.


I think Kawhi had the procedure (according to Skip Bayless) after he was sent home from the Olympics in maybe July on the knee from the previous meniscus injury. He returned to the clippers in January. So Joel should get the area opened up for arthroscopy to be cleaned or at least just to inspect even if it's to get a better look at the area.


That's a six month rehab for Kawhi. Let's say Joel gets lucky and he needs the same thing Kawhi had done. If he got it done in say March/April, that would put him to return in November, probably more December or even January for him. I think people are reading too much into this assuming this is automatically a Brandon Roy or Andrew Bynum situation. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but I'm sure Embiid will explore all options with this. Clearly options 1 and 2 aren't working so maybe a surgery can help it provided there's actually something for a surgeon to work with.



There’s a lot of evidence that there is not much left in his knee. Lonzo said he had most of his meniscus trimmed away and no cartilage left. I read somewhere they are skeptical that he can get the meniscus replacement surgery that Lonzo got because Joel might be too big for a replacement meniscus to hold up.

The thing about breaking his hip to alleviate pressure on his knees seems like a crazy idea that won’t work.

Who knows what doctors are telling him, but it seems like he has to go for the replacement meniscus and knee cartilage, or he will never play regularly again. His knee clearly lacks stability as evidenced by the constant meniscus tears.

Without replacing the knee cushioning, it seems like he will keep going in the same circle. Surgery, knee swelling, play through it, meniscus tear, surgery, knee swelling…
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1802 » by mjkvol » Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:54 am

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This would have been like when the Lakers traded Bynum to... us. Instead we go down with the ship!


Everyone has a scoop after the fact. Not one of these talking heads with all their analysis all their inside sources knew that Dallas was "unhappy" with Luka let alone wanted to trade him. Always with the great stories and what could have been after the fact. They have almost next to zero credibility in my book.


100%. My very first thought as well, typical hack media horseschiit.
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Post#1803 » by Peak Brunson » Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am

I see people saying why we didn't trade him earlier, but that it's all hindsight.
Again, the issue is not necessarily not trading him earlier, it's understandable how big of a talent he is and not wanting to trade him.
What is not understandable is giving him an extension in 2024 when he had a contract until 2026, there is zero, ZERO, justification in doing so, it is terrible management. This is a big man with an injury history going into his 30's, which makes it even worse even without hindsight. Something as simple and not controversial in any way as waiting until mid or late 2025 before extending him would've put us in a much better position.
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Post#1804 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:04 pm

Peak Brunson wrote:I see people saying why we didn't trade him earlier, but that it's all hindsight.
Again, the issue is not necessarily not trading him earlier, it's understandable how big of a talent he is and not wanting to trade him.
What is not understandable is giving him an extension in 2024 when he had a contract until 2026, there is zero, ZERO, justification in doing so, it is terrible management. This is a big man with an injury history going into his 30's, which makes it even worse even without hindsight. Something as simple and not controversial in any way as waiting until mid or late 2025 before extending him would've put us in a much better position.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/11/27/sixers-may-already-regret-joel-embiids-193-million-extension/
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1805 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:40 pm

What happened to this guy?

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Post#1806 » by Negrodamus » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:42 pm

His knee keeps swelling up would be my guess as to what happened to him.
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Post#1807 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:His knee keeps swelling up would be my guess as to what happened to him.

Unfortunately there are equally good explanations that limit us to guesswork.
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Post#1808 » by djsunyc » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:05 pm

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Post#1809 » by Negrodamus » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:14 pm

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And there it is. Joel: chained.
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Post#1810 » by M2J » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:17 pm

Had to happen... Still sucks to see it. Especially with this organization, they will never give a real honest update.

Get well Jo...
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Post#1811 » by MikRay » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:08 am

Good

Get rid of him and PG this summer
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Post#1812 » by Peak Brunson » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:18 am

Expected news for Joe L
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Post#1813 » by Eyeamok » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:40 am

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You want it to be one way....but it's the other way.

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1814 » by Kova » Sat Mar 1, 2025 10:22 am

Get that knee right if possible, Joel.. Then come back for the final run. I'm sticking with you.
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Post#1815 » by mjkvol » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:54 pm

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Post#1816 » by Arsenal » Sat Mar 1, 2025 2:03 pm

Kova wrote:Get that knee right if possible, Joel.. Then come back for the final run. I'm sticking with you.


I'm guessing he never plays again. If he does that resets the clock on a medical retirement.

The end of an era.
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Post#1817 » by Eyeamok » Sat Mar 1, 2025 10:15 pm

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Kova wrote:Get that knee right if possible, Joel.. Then come back for the final run. I'm sticking with you.


I'm guessing he never plays again. If he does that resets the clock on a medical retirement.

The end of an era.


I hope your guess is 100% wrong.
You want it to be one way....but it's the other way.

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Post#1818 » by Wilfried » Sun Mar 2, 2025 12:56 pm

I wonder how much of all this, is also in Joel's head:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/279486/Joel-Embiid-Sixers-Now-In-Lockstep-After-Initially-Having-Differing-Views-On-Approach-To-Knee

His mental health is just as important (and necessarry to adress imo) than the health of his knee

And I would really hope he addresses all these issues, because I feel a lot of this is also on him, by wanting to play in the Olympics, just to have some sort of (personal) legacy.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1819 » by stormi » Sun Mar 2, 2025 10:39 pm

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1820 » by the_process » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:10 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Kova wrote:Get that knee right if possible, Joel.. Then come back for the final run. I'm sticking with you.


I'm guessing he never plays again. If he does that resets the clock on a medical retirement.

The end of an era.


If not this, my second guess would be he sits out all next year then requests a trade.

If Jo does sit out all next year then that increases the chances PG asks out.

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